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01-06-2023, 07:18 PM
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Edited in a new link, should work now.
Very nice. I own the same upper. I haven't shot it yet. Need to find for to assemble the lower I'm building for it.
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01-07-2023, 06:17 AM
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Would getting a Magpul PRS stock and using an A5 buffer tube setup address my issue with trying to find a comfortable setup and also provide a good cheek riser setup for a SHTF rifle? It seems to be geared toward a sniper/long range setup, but with my bigger than average frame, it might be more comfortable for me and yet provide better recoil control from the A5 setup.

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01-07-2023, 06:49 AM
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Driving. Cliffs? Something about bump stocks?

Doesn’t effect the pistol braces?

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01-07-2023, 08:42 AM
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Would getting a Magpul PRS stock and using an A5 buffer tube setup address my issue with trying to find a comfortable setup and also provide a good cheek riser setup for a SHTF rifle? It seems to be geared toward a sniper/long range setup, but with my bigger than average frame, it might be more comfortable for me and yet provide better recoil control from the A5 setup.
Are you like 6'8 or something? Have you tried a thicker recoil pad for a little extra LOP? How tall is your optics mount, and why are you using a mount that's that tall?
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01-07-2023, 08:45 AM
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dude asked for cliffs and you gave him a 13 minute video to watch which is longer than your first video lmaooooo
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01-07-2023, 09:22 AM
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dude asked for cliffs and you gave him a 13 minute video to watch which is longer than your first video lmaooooo
Lol. Was gonna say that too to bust his balls.

Cliffs on the cliffs bruh?

I have some time to watch it now though
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01-07-2023, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted By EDcellent⏩
Would getting a Magpul PRS stock and using an A5 buffer tube setup address my issue with trying to find a comfortable setup and also provide a good cheek riser setup for a SHTF rifle? It seems to be geared toward a sniper/long range setup, but with my bigger than average frame, it might be more comfortable for me and yet provide better recoil control from the A5 setup.

https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod139681.aspx

https://bravocompanyusa.com/bcm-MK2-receiver-extension/

https://ar15discounts.com/products/v...er-spring-kit/
That stock might work, kinda hard to tell without trying it out before buying. Also, If you want a telescoping stock and a cheek riser, look at the CTR stock. There are three different height cheek risers you can get for that stock and it might work for you. I'm not certain if the CTR will swallow the entire A5 buffer tube, I seem to think it won't but that's not really a big deal imo.

And don't have high expectations from the A5 buffer system by itself as far as recoil reduction goes. Tuned gas and a good muzzle comp/brake will make more of a different in recoil control. They A5 is a good system though and I do like it.
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01-07-2023, 10:23 AM
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^^ to touch on above.

Thoughts on if I should pull the trigger on an AR pistol I have been wanting…with all the BS that may or may not be passed?

Finally found a place that has 1 in stock of the brand of AR pistol I want (manufacturer has halted production of them so it’s a needle in a haystack trying to find one).

Do it? Don’t do it? I feel like if I don’t then I won’t be able to. If I do it could come with the headache of registering (stamp) it anyway.
100% pull trigger.

What headache is it to sbr? $200 and wait. But I would bet money you won't have to.
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01-07-2023, 10:24 AM
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Lol. Was gonna say that too to bust his balls.

Cliffs on the cliffs bruh?

I have some time to watch it now though
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01-07-2023, 03:22 PM
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100% pull trigger.

What headache is it to sbr? $200 and wait. But I would bet money you won't have to.
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01-07-2023, 03:29 PM
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Got to play with some fun stuff today.

Honey Badger. Just can’t get over the “honey and grey coloring….kinda beta. IIRC it was 2.9k. I forget.

Original H&K MP5. Was perty I think 1.9k

Century arms AP5 (in comparison). I realize the same tooling and machinery is used but the H&K did look more polished and nicer detail on the build (machining/welds etc). Nicer safety. Beefier hand guard.

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01-07-2023, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Are you like 6'8 or something? Have you tried a thicker recoil pad for a little extra LOP? How tall is your optics mount, and why are you using a mount that's that tall?
6'4". I have been looking into thicker recoil pads, my Magpul pad is only like 1/4". I think an A5 buffer tube setup and a thicker pad might be what I'm looking for. Thanks for the idea. I have no optic yet, only flip up Magpul sights.

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That stock might work, kinda hard to tell without trying it out before buying. Also, If you want a telescoping stock and a cheek riser, look at the CTR stock. There are three different height cheek risers you can get for that stock and it might work for you. I'm not certain if the CTR will swallow the entire A5 buffer tube, I seem to think it won't but that's not really a big deal imo.

And don't have high expectations from the A5 buffer system by itself as far as recoil reduction goes. Tuned gas and a good muzzle comp/brake will make more of a different in recoil control. They A5 is a good system though and I do like it.
I actually have a CTR stock for my other rifle. I noticed that LaRue makes a cheek riser that bolts into it. I just mentioned the other stock because it looks like it'll not only be a better cheek riser, but potentially be longer for me too. I agree with you on having other areas for recoil control, I was just mentioning that it could be of benefit in that department too.

I might tinker with my other rifle and see what my options are for a thicker recoil pad. I think that and an A5 setup might be what I'm looking for.
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01-08-2023, 04:30 AM
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https://youtu.be/oponIfu5L3Y

Don't know the context, but I still thought it was funny lol.
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01-08-2023, 05:34 AM
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I'm not aware of any pending litigating regarding the Form 1 solvent trap rule change from a year ago. With the bump stock win, maybe a former solvent trap maker decides to try their luck in court?
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01-08-2023, 08:42 AM
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I'm not aware of any pending litigating regarding the Form 1 solvent trap rule change from a year ago. With the bump stock win, maybe a former solvent trap maker decides to try their luck in court?
You say solvent trap, we all know you mean unregistered silencer

Not really the same thing as an accessory to a semi automatic firearm being declared a machine gun

The pistol brace falls in between those.

A bump stock clearly and without question is a semi automatic firearm, period, full stop. The "solvent trap" is clearly intended to be used as an unregistered silencer, little gray area when the possessor possibly has not yet used it in that capacity. So, in between. Pistol brace though, when put on a short barrel firearm, is functionally identical to an SBR. Like, pistol braces are unregistered SBR's and we all know it.

But, SBR's should not be regulated any different than rifles or pistols anyway and the cat is out of the bag and the brace itself is clearly not an NFA item it's a ****ing brace if there is any argument at all to be made against them, it would be that putting a brace on what would otherwise be an SBR if it had a stock, is still an SBR because the "brace" is functionally identical to a stock and we all know it and you sound like a retard when you claim otherwise
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01-08-2023, 10:17 AM
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What annoys me is the the AFT is fine with calling you/you calling yourself the "maker" of an SBR, even though you didn't actually make a single component, but they don't allow anyone to Form 1 a unfinished suppressor kit, because you're not actually the "maker" because you bought it from another company. But the gun you made into an SBR that was made by another company is fine though.

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01-08-2023, 11:07 AM
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What annoys me is the the AFT is fine with calling you/you calling yourself the "maker" of an SBR, even though you didn't actually make a single component, but they don't allow anyone to Form 1 a unfinished suppressor kit, because you're not actually the "maker" because you bought it from another company. But the gun you made into an SBR that was made by another company is fine though.

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Should be zero issues with form 1 cans. Solvent traps don’t come ready to install on the firearm you have to drill a few holes so I don’t see what the ATF’s problem is assuming the form 1 is filed.

Fuk the ATF.

Braces should be legal
Solvent traps should be legal
Bumpstocks should be legal
SBR’s should not need registering and silencers should be sold online no different than any other muzzle device
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01-08-2023, 12:07 PM
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What are you guys shooting (preferred) in 9mm?

Brand/grain/etc? That covers home defense etc.

Will be feeding the Glock 19 g5. Dunhams has some Sierra on sale 115/124 grain hollows for $17 20ct (orig $27.99). Think I’m going to grab 2 boxes of 124g

They have some Winchester Defender +p hollows 124g for 30.99 ($5 off). Not much of a deal.
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01-08-2023, 12:43 PM
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What are you guys shooting (preferred) in 9mm?

Brand/grain/etc? That covers home defense etc.

Will be feeding the Glock 19 g5. Dunhams has some Sierra on sale 115/124 grain hollows for $17 20ct (orig $27.99). Think I’m going to grab 2 boxes of 124g

They have some Winchester Defender +p hollows 124g for 30.99 ($5 off). Not much of a deal.

https://www.speer.com/ammunition/gol...9-23617GD.html


Can be found for about $25 for 50 rounds.


For practice ammo I only buy Federal or CCi Blazer, rarely anything else.
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01-08-2023, 02:05 PM
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What are you guys shooting (preferred) in 9mm?

Brand/grain/etc? That covers home defense etc.

Will be feeding the Glock 19 g5. Dunhams has some Sierra on sale 115/124 grain hollows for $17 20ct (orig $27.99). Think I’m going to grab 2 boxes of 124g

They have some Winchester Defender +p hollows 124g for 30.99 ($5 off). Not much of a deal.
Look around at this little test. It is kinda cool. https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/sel...tic-tests/#9mm

Federal HST is my duty ammo(124gr out of a G17) and what I use in my personal guns, too.

I use 147gr in my G19 and 124gr +P in my G43. I'll be switching the G19 to 124gr +P once I shoot all of the 147gr I have.

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01-08-2023, 03:40 PM
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Look around at this little test. It is kinda cool. https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/sel...tic-tests/#9mm

Federal HST is my duty ammo(124gr out of a G17) and what I use in my personal guns, too.

I use 147gr in my G19 and 124gr +P in my G43. I'll be switching the G19 to 124gr +P once I shoot all of the 147gr I have.

Repped. Ya I figured the 127g is the middle sweet spot. What’s this chart saying is the best overall round (on paper)?

So what’s the rule on on penetration for self defense? . I’m wired to archery penetration where you want a pass through (there’s no fragmentation) so the animal will bleed out faster and not run far. Obv it’s a little different on self defense bc you want it to fragment and create more damage with not too little and also not too much penetration.
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https://www.speer.com/ammunition/gol...9-23617GD.html


Can be found for about $25 for 50 rounds.


For practice ammo I only buy Federal or CCi Blazer, rarely anything else.
I’ll have to keep my eye out for Speer deals online. I didn’t see any at the stores I was at
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01-08-2023, 03:54 PM
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What are you guys shooting (preferred) in 9mm?

Brand/grain/etc? That covers home defense etc.

Will be feeding the Glock 19 g5. Dunhams has some Sierra on sale 115/124 grain hollows for $17 20ct (orig $27.99). Think I’m going to grab 2 boxes of 124g

They have some Winchester Defender +p hollows 124g for 30.99 ($5 off). Not much of a deal.



Standard Hornady HP critical defense 115 gr 9mm


Honestly i don't even know if it is going to perform as it should as it costs too much per round to fire at the range


Also serious question, if gang bangers can kill each other using ball ammo how come we can't use it as a self defense round ?
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Standard Hornady HP critical defense 115 gr 9mm


Honestly i don't even know if it is going to perform as it should as it costs too much per round to fire at the range


Also serious question, if gang bangers can kill each other using ball ammo how come we can't use it as a self defense round ?
I’m not a poor hoodlum and can afford proper carry ammo but if you want to carry ball ammo go for it, it’ll still work in poking a hole through someone.
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That Federal 124 gr +p hst has pretty awesome performance.
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Standard Hornady HP critical defense 115 gr 9mm


Honestly i don't even know if it is going to perform as it should as it costs too much per round to fire at the range


Also serious question, if gang bangers can kill each other using ball ammo how come we can't use it as a self defense round ?
You should shoot enough of the Hornady to confirm is works reliably in your gun. Would suck to shoot the first round then have feed issues. I don’t think you’d have problems but some people have had difficulty with that rubber tip thing.

Ball ammo works but hollow points work better. More expansion, less risk of over penetration, higher quality in general like nickel coated case, sealed, etc. I could ride a bicycle to work but driving a car is a much better option.
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Repped. Ya I figured the 127g is the middle sweet spot. What’s this chart saying is the best overall round (on paper)?

So what’s the rule on on penetration for self defense? . I’m wired to archery penetration where you want a pass through (there’s no fragmentation) so the animal will bleed out faster and not run far. Obv it’s a little different on self defense bc you want it to fragment and create more damage with not too little and also not too much penetration.
The best 9mm defensive round is a Federal HST (any of them) or the Gold Dot 124+P
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I think I’m going to start testing factory training ammo with a case gauge before heading to the range. Saturday I had two Federal American Eagle rounds out of spec.

Post Covid quality control seems to be poor.
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Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
I’m not a poor hoodlum and can afford proper carry ammo but if you want to carry ball ammo go for it, it’ll still work in poking a hole through someone.
Neither am i , but i am also not a millionaire that can blow through HP willy nilly



Originally Posted By RgrJNC⏩
You should shoot enough of the Hornady to confirm is works reliably in your gun. Would suck to shoot the first round then have feed issues. I don’t think you’d have problems but some people have had difficulty with that rubber tip thing.

Ball ammo works but hollow points work better. More expansion, less risk of over penetration, higher quality in general like nickel coated case, sealed, etc. I could ride a bicycle to work but driving a car is a much better option.


That's the thing, how much is enough rounds to know it would work in a self defense situation when i blow through hundreds of rounds using ball ammo?


This is what i don't like about carrying HP vs FMJ.

We train with FMJ but we carry with HP


I guess that's the chance we take to defend ourselves
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01-08-2023, 05:26 PM
#1830
Originally Posted By bluebeltATT⏩
Also serious question, if gang bangers can kill each other using ball ammo how come we can't use it as a self defense round ?
You certainly can.

But:

1. It's not about killing, it's about stopping ASAP
2. You probably won't be ambushing someone and shooting them unexpectedly before they can fight back
3. Plenty of gang bangers shoot someone without immediately stopping them, or get shot and don't immediately stop
4. Gang bangers aren't worried about liability of a round over penetrating and then hitting another person, kind of second fiddle to the whole premeditated murder thing they are starting with
5. You probably won't be drive-by shooting people where they never shoot back and you don't care if they take 3 minutes to stop voluntary action and 3 days to die where a gangbanger is happy with that outcome
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