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04-06-2017, 10:30 AM
#1861
Originally Posted By M0tibation⏩
someone above^ beat me to it and covered the main points.
Explain.
If you're gonna have a foreground it has to be there for a reason, the trees were just in the way really
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04-06-2017, 10:35 AM
#1862
Originally Posted By LieutenantGains⏩
I'm assuming this came as part of a bundle/package w.e? FYI that lens is poop (if its the same 24-105 one that came with my 6D)
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You have an expensive camera with a $100 lens in front of it basically.
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Originally Posted By Inavan⏩
Found the non cropped/centred image of the previous one lol
You need 50 posts to be able to embed. I liked the 5th one. The center framing on the other 4 photos bothers me.
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04-06-2017, 04:35 PM
#1863
Originally Posted By Archigainz⏩
Nope, the 6D is body only. Got it open box from B&H and saved $200, can't tell it apart from new at all ayyy lmao
I'm assuming this came as part of a bundle/package w.e? FYI that lens is poop (if its the same 24-105 one that came with my 6D)
You have an expensive camera with a $100 lens in front of it basically.
You have an expensive camera with a $100 lens in front of it basically.
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04-07-2017, 12:56 AM
#1864
Originally Posted By havoNI⏩
I disagree and side with Krane. If I look at something, I'm going to judge it. Participation trophies are for losers. Keeping your mouth shut prevents your development of constructive criticism. When people never receive criticism, they never get the chance to learn how to receive criticism.
I am not one to give my opinion on others styles of editing without being asked.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
Originally Posted By litljay⏩
Speaking as a reseller, Sony has a decades long legacy of making absolute garbage in terms of quality. Sony also has no problem of dropping support for various products whenever they feel like it. They ignored the A-mount for several years and then decided to start making products again. Due to terrible design, the e-mount will never have good wide angle lenses. Good luck with extended support, much less customer service. All of the cameras overheating is going to be a problem. Excess heat is terrible for electronics.
Sony?
In terms of photography/videography, just LOL at Sony's system. There are barely any native lenses. Tilt shift? Telephoto? Wide angle? Fish eye? Does no one else see giant red flags when all the Sony users are adapting Canon lenses and dreaming of the day when there is a Nikon adapter that will work?
https://petapixel.com/2016/04/04/son...fatal-mistake/
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
All of the manufactures ignored smartphones which have rightfully destroyed the point and shoot market. The consumer level products that were released 10 years ago were absolutely terrible. Seconds long shutter lag, non-existent buffers, SD/xD/Memory Stick combined with various USB and dock connections, long startup times, and various other problems that made the user experience terrible. Decisions were made based on how much money could be bilked out of consumers. It's no wonder that people ditched camera manufactured because smart phones do it better.
Long time Nikon user here and I can't remember recalls in the 2000s like we're seeing today.
I think QC took a nose dive in 2011 with the tsunami which directly impacted the Sendai plant. D800 came out with left side AF issues. D600 with oil splattering over the sensor. D810 and D610 addressed those issues but they should never have happened in the first place.
I think QC took a nose dive in 2011 with the tsunami which directly impacted the Sendai plant. D800 came out with left side AF issues. D600 with oil splattering over the sensor. D810 and D610 addressed those issues but they should never have happened in the first place.
The decrease in revenue from loss of point and shoot sales means less money for the photography divisions of companies. Quality suffers. I expect a couple of manufactures to leave the market over the next 5-10 years.
04-07-2017, 01:55 AM
#1865
Originally Posted By Inavan⏩
As I said previously, my comment is in regards to non-photography forums/communities, I'm a massive proponent of constructive critique and its power to improve art in general, but its both expected and fully warranted within an artistic community and not so much so in niche threads in a massive offtopic forum.
I disagree and side with Krane. If I look at something, I'm going to judge it. Participation trophies are for losers. Keeping your mouth shut prevents your development of constructive criticism. When people never receive criticism, they never get the chance to learn how to receive criticism.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
End of the day it doesn't really matter, I'll keep giving my 2c where I believe it is wanted here and save the essay long critique posts for tp / pf / np etc forums, and you can keep doing your thing.
Also lol reddit for literally anything.
04-07-2017, 02:40 AM
#1866
Originally Posted By LieutenantGains⏩
fair enough. I paid full price for my 6D when it was new out, wish i just saved that extra £ for the 5DIII looking back.
Nope, the 6D is body only. Got it open box from B&H and saved $200, can't tell it apart from new at all ayyy lmao
I can't link it cos i'm still a <50 post newb but I recommend the Sigma 24-105 for the 6D - much better than its canon equivalent
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04-07-2017, 03:01 AM
#1867
Originally Posted By Archigainz⏩
Despite the above comment to the contrary the Canon 24-105 isn't bad, but the Sigma Arts version is a much better deal. Also, see Sigma's 50 Arts.
fair enough. I paid full price for my 6D when it was new out, wish i just saved that extra £ for the 5DIII looking back.
I can't link it cos i'm still a <50 post newb but I recommend the Sigma 24-105 for the 6D - much better than its canon equivalent
I can't link it cos i'm still a <50 post newb but I recommend the Sigma 24-105 for the 6D - much better than its canon equivalent
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04-07-2017, 06:04 AM
#1868
Originally Posted By Inavan⏩
Valid points but at the end of the day if someone is simply doing it purely as a hobby for some enjoyment then I think it's important to carefully deliver that criticism to avoid discouraging them. Personally it would bother me if something I said even with the best of intentions ultimately made someone quit doing it.
I disagree and side with Krane. If I look at something, I'm going to judge it. Participation trophies are for losers. Keeping your mouth shut prevents your development of constructive criticism. When people never receive criticism, they never get the chance to learn how to receive criticism.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
And of course it's easy to be a critic. Look no further than the comments on Youtube. People love teeing off from behind a keyboard never having to back up what they say with results, experience, etc.
While I'm open to anyone being critical of my own work I'll admit I do get a little defensive when I see it being done to others. If the criticism is harsh then I expect to see that they can back it up with examples of their own work. I mean if they're such experts on what is wrong with a photo surely their own work must be incredible. I've lost count of how many times I've clicked on a profile in those situations and it's usually either empty or filled with generic images that many wouldn't look twice at.
04-07-2017, 07:27 AM
#1869
Originally Posted By havoNI⏩
How can they compete without a full line up of native lenses? I just spent a couple days on youtube/forums. While the general consensus is that the body is fantastic, the lack of lens selection kills its possibility for me. I know my plans are simple and could probably be accomplished going that route, but even the best laid plans need to change sometimes. So, if my plans change, I don't want to be stuck without a solution.
Honestly at the moment Sony, they seem to have come out of nowhere with first class DSLR's that can compete with Canon and Nikon at the high end of the market, they just lack in the selection of quality native lenses along with their build not being suitable for VERY rugged treatment/weather (I do mostly coastal photography so am prone to getting soaked or slips on rocks with the camera eating the impact). Also another big factor would be the current high end Sonys eat batteries like fat kids eat cake.
Don't mistake my annoyance at Nikon as a company and their past decades QA/support with disliking their products, the D800/(810) to me is the closest thing to perfect of a camera I could ask for, built like a brick, intuitive and natural in the hand, amazing image quality, amazing dynamic range, amazing recover-ability of shadows, lens selection is superb both Nikkor and 3rd party. Its just when you drop four figures or more for a camera body you should expect a premium service, both in terms of what you initially receive and in terms of after sales service and help, it probably has something to do with a breakdown in communication between Japans HQ and Europe/NA HQ's but the issues with the new releases and half assed recalls of the past 5 years have really impacted customer confidence.
I've massive hopes for the D810's successor, I dream of a few more FPS, bit more MP, couple stops more DR, some better video support, good port connectivity, BT/WIFI, and a movable touch screen (no really this would be amazing for landscape togs and itll save my neck getting ****ed up with weird viewing angles on tripod) if they did the aforementioned then it would sell like hotcakes. If they somehow manage to ****up however I will be holding onto my cash and looking towards the A7RII lines next successor instead.
Don't mistake my annoyance at Nikon as a company and their past decades QA/support with disliking their products, the D800/(810) to me is the closest thing to perfect of a camera I could ask for, built like a brick, intuitive and natural in the hand, amazing image quality, amazing dynamic range, amazing recover-ability of shadows, lens selection is superb both Nikkor and 3rd party. Its just when you drop four figures or more for a camera body you should expect a premium service, both in terms of what you initially receive and in terms of after sales service and help, it probably has something to do with a breakdown in communication between Japans HQ and Europe/NA HQ's but the issues with the new releases and half assed recalls of the past 5 years have really impacted customer confidence.
I've massive hopes for the D810's successor, I dream of a few more FPS, bit more MP, couple stops more DR, some better video support, good port connectivity, BT/WIFI, and a movable touch screen (no really this would be amazing for landscape togs and itll save my neck getting ****ed up with weird viewing angles on tripod) if they did the aforementioned then it would sell like hotcakes. If they somehow manage to ****up however I will be holding onto my cash and looking towards the A7RII lines next successor instead.
Originally Posted By Inavan⏩
Another reason to stick with the big 2. While I've never personally had issues with Sony's products, I certainly don't want to be stuck in a system that is no longer produced.
I disagree and side with Krane. If I look at something, I'm going to judge it. Participation trophies are for losers. Keeping your mouth shut prevents your development of constructive criticism. When people never receive criticism, they never get the chance to learn how to receive criticism.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
Speaking as a reseller, Sony has a decades long legacy of making absolute garbage in terms of quality. Sony also has no problem of dropping support for various products whenever they feel like it. They ignored the A-mount for several years and then decided to start making products again. Due to terrible design, the e-mount will never have good wide angle lenses. Good luck with extended support, much less customer service. All of the cameras overheating is going to be a problem. Excess heat is terrible for electronics.
In terms of photography/videography, just LOL at Sony's system. There are barely any native lenses. Tilt shift? Telephoto? Wide angle? Fish eye? Does no one else see giant red flags when all the Sony users are adapting Canon lenses and dreaming of the day when there is a Nikon adapter that will work?
https://petapixel.com/2016/04/04/son...fatal-mistake/
If someone is getting paid and they're willing to jump through hoops to get a better product, I have no issues with that. If you're not getting paid, it's only a matter of time until you're gong to get bent over.
All of the manufactures ignored smartphones which have rightfully destroyed the point and shoot market. The consumer level products that were released 10 years ago were absolutely terrible. Seconds long shutter lag, non-existent buffers, SD/xD/Memory Stick combined with various USB and dock connections, long startup times, and various other problems that made the user experience terrible. Decisions were made based on how much money could be bilked out of consumers. It's no wonder that people ditched camera manufactured because smart phones do it better.
The decrease in revenue from loss of point and shoot sales means less money for the photography divisions of companies. Quality suffers. I expect a couple of manufactures to leave the market over the next 5-10 years.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
Speaking as a reseller, Sony has a decades long legacy of making absolute garbage in terms of quality. Sony also has no problem of dropping support for various products whenever they feel like it. They ignored the A-mount for several years and then decided to start making products again. Due to terrible design, the e-mount will never have good wide angle lenses. Good luck with extended support, much less customer service. All of the cameras overheating is going to be a problem. Excess heat is terrible for electronics.
In terms of photography/videography, just LOL at Sony's system. There are barely any native lenses. Tilt shift? Telephoto? Wide angle? Fish eye? Does no one else see giant red flags when all the Sony users are adapting Canon lenses and dreaming of the day when there is a Nikon adapter that will work?
https://petapixel.com/2016/04/04/son...fatal-mistake/
If someone is getting paid and they're willing to jump through hoops to get a better product, I have no issues with that. If you're not getting paid, it's only a matter of time until you're gong to get bent over.
All of the manufactures ignored smartphones which have rightfully destroyed the point and shoot market. The consumer level products that were released 10 years ago were absolutely terrible. Seconds long shutter lag, non-existent buffers, SD/xD/Memory Stick combined with various USB and dock connections, long startup times, and various other problems that made the user experience terrible. Decisions were made based on how much money could be bilked out of consumers. It's no wonder that people ditched camera manufactured because smart phones do it better.
The decrease in revenue from loss of point and shoot sales means less money for the photography divisions of companies. Quality suffers. I expect a couple of manufactures to leave the market over the next 5-10 years.
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04-07-2017, 07:31 AM
#1870
Originally Posted By Inavan⏩
I disagree and side with Krane. If I look at something, I'm going to judge it. Participation trophies are for losers. Keeping your mouth shut prevents your development of constructive criticism. When people never receive criticism, they never get the chance to learn how to receive criticism.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
Speaking as a reseller, Sony has a decades long legacy of making absolute garbage in terms of quality. Sony also has no problem of dropping support for various products whenever they feel like it. They ignored the A-mount for several years and then decided to start making products again. Due to terrible design, the e-mount will never have good wide angle lenses. Good luck with extended support, much less customer service. All of the cameras overheating is going to be a problem. Excess heat is terrible for electronics.
In terms of photography/videography, just LOL at Sony's system. There are barely any native lenses. Tilt shift? Telephoto? Wide angle? Fish eye? Does no one else see giant red flags when all the Sony users are adapting Canon lenses and dreaming of the day when there is a Nikon adapter that will work?
https://petapixel.com/2016/04/04/son...fatal-mistake/
If someone is getting paid and they're willing to jump through hoops to get a better product, I have no issues with that. If you're not getting paid, it's only a matter of time until you're gong to get bent over.
All of the manufactures ignored smartphones which have rightfully destroyed the point and shoot market. The consumer level products that were released 10 years ago were absolutely terrible. Seconds long shutter lag, non-existent buffers, SD/xD/Memory Stick combined with various USB and dock connections, long startup times, and various other problems that made the user experience terrible. Decisions were made based on how much money could be bilked out of consumers. It's no wonder that people ditched camera manufactured because smart phones do it better.
The decrease in revenue from loss of point and shoot sales means less money for the photography divisions of companies. Quality suffers. I expect a couple of manufactures to leave the market over the next 5-10 years.
My opinion is that if you want a hug box, go fuk off to reddit. I want people to be able to improve, hone their style, be able to defend their choices, and do the same for me.
Speaking as a reseller, Sony has a decades long legacy of making absolute garbage in terms of quality. Sony also has no problem of dropping support for various products whenever they feel like it. They ignored the A-mount for several years and then decided to start making products again. Due to terrible design, the e-mount will never have good wide angle lenses. Good luck with extended support, much less customer service. All of the cameras overheating is going to be a problem. Excess heat is terrible for electronics.
In terms of photography/videography, just LOL at Sony's system. There are barely any native lenses. Tilt shift? Telephoto? Wide angle? Fish eye? Does no one else see giant red flags when all the Sony users are adapting Canon lenses and dreaming of the day when there is a Nikon adapter that will work?
https://petapixel.com/2016/04/04/son...fatal-mistake/
If someone is getting paid and they're willing to jump through hoops to get a better product, I have no issues with that. If you're not getting paid, it's only a matter of time until you're gong to get bent over.
All of the manufactures ignored smartphones which have rightfully destroyed the point and shoot market. The consumer level products that were released 10 years ago were absolutely terrible. Seconds long shutter lag, non-existent buffers, SD/xD/Memory Stick combined with various USB and dock connections, long startup times, and various other problems that made the user experience terrible. Decisions were made based on how much money could be bilked out of consumers. It's no wonder that people ditched camera manufactured because smart phones do it better.
The decrease in revenue from loss of point and shoot sales means less money for the photography divisions of companies. Quality suffers. I expect a couple of manufactures to leave the market over the next 5-10 years.
Calm down bro, you come off as a dick.
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04-07-2017, 11:22 AM
#1871
Damn it I can't find the link but in an interview Leica's CEO said that Nikon would go bankrupt within 5 years if they kept doing the same thing (he did say Nikon but it was implied).
Sony has finally gotten serious with their professional services but it'll be a while before people forget about their "I don't care about the customer" reputation.
Canon is the Apple of cameras. Play it safe, charge a premium for old tech, provide excellent customer service. Plus they just said that their new lens technology will allow photography that was previously not possible. Really looking forward to what they mean.
I'm happy with Fuji and now that they released the GFX I might as well skip FF and buy the crop medium format camera instead (once I have enough clients obviously).
Sony has finally gotten serious with their professional services but it'll be a while before people forget about their "I don't care about the customer" reputation.
Canon is the Apple of cameras. Play it safe, charge a premium for old tech, provide excellent customer service. Plus they just said that their new lens technology will allow photography that was previously not possible. Really looking forward to what they mean.
I'm happy with Fuji and now that they released the GFX I might as well skip FF and buy the crop medium format camera instead (once I have enough clients obviously).
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04-07-2017, 11:23 AM
#1872
Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
It's about 10 years old, the lens is awful for its price. (They may have a newer version out recently but the one i'm thinking of, its awful)
Despite the above comment to the contrary the Canon 24-105 isn't bad, but the Sigma Arts version is a much better deal. Also, see Sigma's 50 Arts.
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04-07-2017, 05:22 PM
#1873
Originally Posted By Tete⏩
I've heard that before about many companies and they're still alive and well. Nevertheless, not all bankruptcies are terminal.
Damn it I can't find the link but in an interview Leica's CEO said that Nikon would go bankrupt within 5 years if they kept doing the same thing (he did say Nikon but it was implied).
Sony has finally gotten serious with their professional services but it'll be a while before people forget about their "I don't care about the customer" reputation.
Canon is the Apple of cameras. Play it safe, charge a premium for old tech, provide excellent customer service. Plus they just said that their new lens technology will allow photography that was previously not possible. Really looking forward to what they mean.
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04-08-2017, 04:21 PM
#1874
Originally Posted By litljay⏩
Sony has the A-mount because they bought Konica Minolta's camera division. Konica Minolta had to leave because nearly every Maxxum 5D, and every Maxxum 7D were recalled. They all had the "first black frame" problem. There are no longer parts available to repair the cameras, so any camera that wasn't repaired will eventually only take black pictures.
Another reason to stick with the big 2. While I've never personally had issues with Sony's products, I certainly don't want to be stuck in a system that is no longer produced.
Sony also installed rootkits on people's computers in 2005.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_B...ootkit_scandal
The Playstation Network keeps getting hacked. In 2011 every user's data was stolen.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/...s-been-stolen/
In 2014, there was "The Interview" hack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Pictures_hack
A stolen credit card number is annoying to deal with. If hackers get a hold of product registration information, anyone that has several bodies/lenses will have to worry about getting robbed.
Originally Posted By Tete⏩
Fuji is still providing support and firmware updates for the X-E1 which was discontinued in the middle of 2013.
I'm happy with Fuji and now that they released the GFX I might as well skip FF and buy the crop medium format camera instead (once I have enough clients obviously).
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I'm in 100% agreement.
Calm down bro, you come off as a dick.
04-08-2017, 05:49 PM
#1875
Originally Posted By litljay⏩
They can't yet, it's why I pointed it out as a main reason I can't consider them yet. I really hope all the major brands step up their game, competition is only good.
How can they compete without a full line up of native lenses? I just spent a couple days on youtube/forums. While the general consensus is that the body is fantastic, the lack of lens selection kills its possibility for me. I know my plans are simple and could probably be accomplished going that route, but even the best laid plans need to change sometimes. So, if my plans change, I don't want to be stuck without a solution.
04-09-2017, 12:49 PM
#1876
My portable 2TB seagate HDD makes two loud beeps when I plug it in, the light doesn't come on, and there's a light clicking on the inside like the drive is trying to spin but can't. Past 3 months of RAWs possibly fukked
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04-09-2017, 01:31 PM
#1877
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
nailed it.
Valid points but at the end of the day if someone is simply doing it purely as a hobby for some enjoyment then I think it's important to carefully deliver that criticism to avoid discouraging them. Personally it would bother me if something I said even with the best of intentions ultimately made someone quit doing it.
And of course it's easy to be a critic. Look no further than the comments on Youtube. People love teeing off from behind a keyboard never having to back up what they say with results, experience, etc.
While I'm open to anyone being critical of my own work I'll admit I do get a little defensive when I see it being done to others. If the criticism is harsh then I expect to see that they can back it up with examples of their own work. I mean if they're such experts on what is wrong with a photo surely their own work must be incredible. I've lost count of how many times I've clicked on a profile in those situations and it's usually either empty or filled with generic images that many wouldn't look twice at.
And of course it's easy to be a critic. Look no further than the comments on Youtube. People love teeing off from behind a keyboard never having to back up what they say with results, experience, etc.
While I'm open to anyone being critical of my own work I'll admit I do get a little defensive when I see it being done to others. If the criticism is harsh then I expect to see that they can back it up with examples of their own work. I mean if they're such experts on what is wrong with a photo surely their own work must be incredible. I've lost count of how many times I've clicked on a profile in those situations and it's usually either empty or filled with generic images that many wouldn't look twice at.
currently doing it for fun, looking to improve on my own.
would i mind criticism? no
but if you're only going to focus on everything bad, just keep your mouth shut and let my work be chitty
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04-09-2017, 05:52 PM
#1878
Originally Posted By EnriqueBrah⏩
Actually that's a contradiction. Unfortunately we don't get to pick and choose the criticism we get. But we can be selective on what we think is valid, and what is not.
nailed it.
currently doing it for fun, looking to improve on my own.
would i mind criticism? no
but if you're only going to focus on everything bad, just keep your mouth shut and let my work be chitty
currently doing it for fun, looking to improve on my own.
would i mind criticism? no
but if you're only going to focus on everything bad, just keep your mouth shut and let my work be chitty
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04-09-2017, 06:05 PM
#1879
Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
what i mean is
Actually that's a contradiction. Unfortunately we don't get to pick and choose the criticism we get. But we can be selective on what we think is valid, and what is not.
it'll piss me off if someone looks at a picture i took and points out a handful of things wrong.
thats not how imo constructive criticism works
"hey you gotta arch your back chest up and push him with your head when doing a double leg, your single leg looks great though"
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04-09-2017, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted By EnriqueBrah⏩
That's the problem with a lot of feedback given online. Some people only want to focus on the negatives and that's easier to do from behind a keyboard and without having to back it up. Not suggesting it has to be a giant circle jerk of happiness but some people just aren't very good at delivering constructive criticism. Some aren't good at taking it either.
but if you're only going to focus on everything bad
Take someone who's genuinely in a position to be critical. Let's say they see 20 things wrong with your photo and list half of them and not in a very polite way either. How do you respond to that? It's easy to think "okay I'm sh*t at this, I quit."
I think it's better to point out a couple of things that could be improved while focusing on some positives as well. You can go away and work on them. It's a lot easier to learn that way and still enjoy it vs. being bombarded with negativity.
There are a lot of great photographers who'd cringe at some of their early efforts today and might have quit if it got torn to shreds at a time when they had a lot of passion for it and were still learning.
04-10-2017, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
I've recently started tutoring 1st year architecture students and it's been a learning curve on how to give feedback on peoples work. Say the wrong thing and they'll just implode / start to cry
That's the problem with a lot of feedback given online. Some people only want to focus on the negatives and that's easier to do from behind a keyboard and without having to back it up. Not suggesting it has to be a giant circle jerk of happiness but some people just aren't very good at delivering constructive criticism. Some aren't good at taking it either.
Take someone who's genuinely in a position to be critical. Let's say they see 20 things wrong with your photo and list half of them and not in a very polite way either. How do you respond to that? It's easy to think "okay I'm sh*t at this, I quit."
I think it's better to point out a couple of things that could be improved while focusing on some positives as well. You can go away and work on them. It's a lot easier to learn that way and still enjoy it vs. being bombarded with negativity.
There are a lot of great photographers who'd cringe at some of their early efforts today and might have quit if it got torn to shreds at a time when they had a lot of passion for it and were still learning.
Take someone who's genuinely in a position to be critical. Let's say they see 20 things wrong with your photo and list half of them and not in a very polite way either. How do you respond to that? It's easy to think "okay I'm sh*t at this, I quit."
I think it's better to point out a couple of things that could be improved while focusing on some positives as well. You can go away and work on them. It's a lot easier to learn that way and still enjoy it vs. being bombarded with negativity.
There are a lot of great photographers who'd cringe at some of their early efforts today and might have quit if it got torn to shreds at a time when they had a lot of passion for it and were still learning.
> tell them everything that's good about the image/work before criticising
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04-10-2017, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
eh. I prefer to not be fluffed before the critique, but I do want to see the work of the one who critiques first.
That's the problem with a lot of feedback given online. Some people only want to focus on the negatives and that's easier to do from behind a keyboard and without having to back it up. Not suggesting it has to be a giant circle jerk of happiness but some people just aren't very good at delivering constructive criticism. Some aren't good at taking it either.
Take someone who's genuinely in a position to be critical. Let's say they see 20 things wrong with your photo and list half of them and not in a very polite way either. How do you respond to that? It's easy to think "okay I'm sh*t at this, I quit."
I think it's better to point out a couple of things that could be improved while focusing on some positives as well. You can go away and work on them. It's a lot easier to learn that way and still enjoy it vs. being bombarded with negativity.
There are a lot of great photographers who'd cringe at some of their early efforts today and might have quit if it got torn to shreds at a time when they had a lot of passion for it and were still learning.
Take someone who's genuinely in a position to be critical. Let's say they see 20 things wrong with your photo and list half of them and not in a very polite way either. How do you respond to that? It's easy to think "okay I'm sh*t at this, I quit."
I think it's better to point out a couple of things that could be improved while focusing on some positives as well. You can go away and work on them. It's a lot easier to learn that way and still enjoy it vs. being bombarded with negativity.
There are a lot of great photographers who'd cringe at some of their early efforts today and might have quit if it got torn to shreds at a time when they had a lot of passion for it and were still learning.
When someone just goes off on an image and has bupkis to show for themselves, I normally ignore that. Another reason I appreciate your feedback so much.
And funny thing on the d750.. I own 2.. one is looking at 97K actuations, and no issues so far.
04-10-2017, 05:59 PM
#1883
Originally Posted By Archigainz⏩
I once took a screenwriting class and the first day of class the instructor very carefully went over the methods and reasons for giving critiques (basically the whole point of any art class).
I've recently started tutoring 1st year architecture students and it's been a learning curve on how to give feedback on peoples work. Say the wrong thing and they'll just implode / start to cry
> tell them everything that's good about the image/work before criticising
> tell them everything that's good about the image/work before criticising
The third week of class we turned in our first screenwriting assignments. One student was a little too direct on the negatives of another student's work and the student jumped up and started shouting obscenities (I thought it was going to come to blows). He then gathered up all his belongings, left class and never came back.
Thing was, his work was the best in the class, save the those few weak parts pointed out by the other student which I happened to agree with.
I talked to the teacher about what went wrong (in an effort to learn how to more passively give critiques) and he just said, "you can't win them all."
BTW, the teacher also found no fault with the above critique.
Originally Posted By Foques⏩
I used to believe that too, but in reality you don't have to be an expert (most critiques aren't) to see mistakes, error, areas for improvement, etc. in others work.
eh. I prefer to not be fluffed before the critique, but I do want to see the work of the one who critiques first.
When someone just goes off on an image and has bupkis to show for themselves, I normally ignore that. Another reason I appreciate your feedback so much.
And funny thing on the d750.. I own 2.. one is looking at 97K actuations, and no issues so far.
When someone just goes off on an image and has bupkis to show for themselves, I normally ignore that. Another reason I appreciate your feedback so much.
And funny thing on the d750.. I own 2.. one is looking at 97K actuations, and no issues so far.
Artist develop their style, but no matter how long it took them to develop it, some others still might not like it.
My general rule is, if more than one person says the same thing, then the critique at least deserves my attention. Even if my conclusion is I'm satisfied with the way it is.
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04-11-2017, 05:43 AM
#1884
Originally Posted By KRANE⏩
Lol, I am immune to harsh criticism now. Studying architecture you present your design on a weekly basis to egotistical tutors who only view your work from their ideology of how architecture should be, which results in extremely blunt/harsh feedback - was tough to swallow at first but now it's just the norm
I once took a screenwriting class and the first day of class the instructor very carefully went over the methods and reasons for giving critiques (basically the whole point of any art class).
The third week of class we turned in our first screenwriting assignments. One student was a little too direct on the negatives of another student's work and the student jumped up and started shouting obscenities (I thought it was going to come to blows). He then gathered up all his belongings, left class and never came back.
Thing was, his work was the best in the class, save the those few weak parts pointed out by the other student which I happened to agree with.
I talked to the teacher about what went wrong (in an effort to learn how to more passively give critiques) and he just said, "you can't win them all."
BTW, the teacher also found no fault with the above critique.
The third week of class we turned in our first screenwriting assignments. One student was a little too direct on the negatives of another student's work and the student jumped up and started shouting obscenities (I thought it was going to come to blows). He then gathered up all his belongings, left class and never came back.
Thing was, his work was the best in the class, save the those few weak parts pointed out by the other student which I happened to agree with.
I talked to the teacher about what went wrong (in an effort to learn how to more passively give critiques) and he just said, "you can't win them all."
BTW, the teacher also found no fault with the above critique.
however i'd say every 1 in 2 girls breaks down in tears every week
anyway, here's another image, the brief was "combine your favourite film, building and artwork" lol
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04-11-2017, 06:11 AM
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Any good beginner dslr, don't have a high budget. Probs around 300 bucks, if not I'll stick with my phone.
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04-11-2017, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted By Anothersloth⏩
Personally with $300 I wouldn't bother, saving up a little extra and having a budget of ~$500 you could get quite a decent entry level camera + lens. (Nikon D3400)
Any good beginner dslr, don't have a high budget. Probs around 300 bucks, if not I'll stick with my phone.
My first camera was a Lumix G2, god what a terrible camera.
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04-11-2017, 08:39 AM
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there are some decent deals that can be found on the message boards/fb sale groups.
04-11-2017, 03:34 PM
#1888
Went ahead and ordered the D500 and the 70-200 vrii. I can't justify the new version of the 70-200 at a $700 increase in price.
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04-11-2017, 06:01 PM
#1889
Originally Posted By Foques⏩
Likewise. Always appreciate your feedback.
eh. I prefer to not be fluffed before the critique, but I do want to see the work of the one who critiques first.
When someone just goes off on an image and has bupkis to show for themselves, I normally ignore that. Another reason I appreciate your feedback so much.
And funny thing on the d750.. I own 2.. one is looking at 97K actuations, and no issues so far.
When someone just goes off on an image and has bupkis to show for themselves, I normally ignore that. Another reason I appreciate your feedback so much.
And funny thing on the d750.. I own 2.. one is looking at 97K actuations, and no issues so far.
Glad you haven't had any issues. I've been lucky with all my Nikon gear over the last 10-15 years. Only thing that's failed on me was a grip which happened in the middle of a wedding. Mirror jammed once on my D800E in MUP mode when I first got it but turning it off, switching to S mode and taking a shot fixed the problem.
I'm sure if I shot brick walls all day I might find something to complain about but not in the real world. Most of my glass is pretty old now but if it ain't broke… I still love my 85 1.4D and 70-200 VR1.
Originally Posted By litljay⏩
VRII is a great lens so you can't go wrong there. New zoom ring location on the E would probably annoy me.
Went ahead and ordered the D500 and the 70-200 vrii. I can't justify the new version of the 70-200 at a $700 increase in price.
04-11-2017, 11:17 PM
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]Anyone here possibly have a good mount from Sony e mount to canon? Trying to have at least decent autofocus on the a7ii. Not trying to do metabones since I've heard those can be just as bad but paying a premium for crap. Any help would be appreciated since I'm new to the mirror less world and its been a change but a good kind of change
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P.S traveling to Chicago next month any insane cool spots to shoot? Would love to explore as much possible
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