02-07-2023, 10:26 PM
#1861
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Go back to 1989 putting this CD on. No way you'd know what the f he was doing even if you spent hours transcribing it. And if you saw him live he never played the same solos on his albums. So even if you'd smuggled a camera in to film him how clear would the footage even be to analyze it?
Today you can sit there and watch someone who has spent 40 years dissecting Allan's technique to a point where he sounds exactly the same. Of course it's a lot easier to follow than to lead. AH created a style and approach to the instrument which is instantly recognisable and entirely his own. And he did it without a music education, youtube, or any other forms of spoonfeeding that we take for granted today. Now if some kid today thinks "Holdsworth solos are easy" then I'd say you would have had no clue like everyone else back then. So how do you evaluate his contribution? Today where everything has been made easy or 30+ years ago?
Today you can sit there and watch someone who has spent 40 years dissecting Allan's technique to a point where he sounds exactly the same. Of course it's a lot easier to follow than to lead. AH created a style and approach to the instrument which is instantly recognisable and entirely his own. And he did it without a music education, youtube, or any other forms of spoonfeeding that we take for granted today. Now if some kid today thinks "Holdsworth solos are easy" then I'd say you would have had no clue like everyone else back then. So how do you evaluate his contribution? Today where everything has been made easy or 30+ years ago?
Chit man, is that Derryl Gabel? I remember reading some of his lessons on a guitar site which collated a lot of lesser known shredders back in the day. Astounded at how cool and advanced his music theory ideas were. I remember he was describing like a Bmaj13 chord, and explaining how you can break it into two chords and develop solo ideas for each chord to get a 'outside' sound. That's stuck with me to this day.
And that's why Holdsworth sounds so unique. There's no explicit rule or theory you can follow to sound 'outside', because the point is to break theory. Yet not any old thing will sound awesomely outside. It's difficult to explain. You have to tastefully fracture the rules of music in the right places.
Plus it helps to study advanced jazz theory as well. Why limit yourself to pentatonic and a few minor scales?
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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02-08-2023, 07:04 AM
#1862
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Exaggerated to make a point but give it time.
I’m quite confident that there will never be a time where kids go “Holdsworth solos are easy”.
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
It is. Close your eyes and it's Allan. When AH was alive and in his prime copying him seemed wrong. Now that he's gone it's gifted players like Derryl who are keeping his music alive.
Chit man, is that Derryl Gabel? I remember reading some of his lessons on a guitar site which collated a lot of lesser known shredders back in the day. Astounded at how cool and advanced his music theory ideas were. I remember he was describing like a Bmaj13 chord, and explaining how you can break it into two chords and develop solo ideas for each chord to get a 'outside' sound. That's stuck with me to this day.
I think a lot of Allan's "outside" playing featured symmetric scales such as Messiaen's third mode which is W-H-H-W-H-H-W-H-H. He would peel off those ridiculous runs and arpeggios with super wide stretches that were symmetrical or "outside" in nature before landing on the perfect note when the harmony briefly went diatonic again and he'd manipulate that TransTrem to create some really interesting melodies before going on another dissonant sounding burst of notes. He knew what he was doing even if he couldn't — or was reluctant to — explain it.
I saw him live at the peak of his powers and could not get my head around how someone could improvise at that tempo over harmony like that. That was my point about people who parrot the solos from his albums. He never played them again. He'd improvise a bunch of takes in his studio and erase the rest so no one would ever hear them. Nothing was pieced together. What I witnessed live really blew my mind. I swear his phucken eyes were shut during most of his solos. So I'd be more impressed watching people improvise over his compositions because that's what he did. And he'd somehow do it after several minutes of playing those spider like chord shapes which would cause most hands to cramp up.
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02-08-2023, 09:32 AM
#1863
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Even when I was younger and didn't understand the mechanics of guitar playing I gravitated towards the superior technicians over Shmoe Satriale. His overly cheesy slow melodies never did it for me.
Exaggerated to make a point but give it time.
Also the guy in the video is like 50 years old and is obviously some kind of guitar turbo nerd who likely had to dedicated years and years to be able to play that stuff. I've yet to see some youtube kid guitarist do anything even close except for Josh Meader, who is likely a prodigy, and that guy said his whole life, since a child, has revolved around guitar practicing. I think Holdsworth is a high watermark of playing that will probably resonate for a very long time.
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02-08-2023, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Your utter disdain for Satchuation is palpable. You clearly do not like the man. However a lot of great players hold him in very high regard (see below).
Shmoe Satriale
I love Joe. Learned more from him than any other guitarist and I never met the man. Composition and melody is more important to me than his lack of picking chops. His bending, phrasing, and vibrato are top tier in my book.
Nick Johnston, Lari Basilio and Plini on the genius of Joe Satriani
STEVE VAI: 'I Can't Even Fathom What My Life Would Be Like Without JOE SATRIANI'
What surprised John Petrucci when he played through Joe Satriani's rig
Testament Guitarist Alex Skolnick Remembers Taking Lessons from Joe Satriani
02-08-2023, 10:29 AM
#1865
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Of course I have disdain. This is the man who taught kirk hammett and unleashed kirk hammett upon the world.
Your utter disdain for Satchuation is palpable. You clearly do not like the man. However a lot of great players hold him in very high regard (see below).
I love Joe. Learned more from him than any other guitarist and I never met the man. Composition and melody is more important to me than his lack of picking chops. His bending, phrasing, and vibrato are top tier in my book.
[youtube]2rsdZHcRM9c[youtube]
Nick Johnston, Lari Basilio and Plini on the genius of Joe Satriani
STEVE VAI: 'I Can't Even Fathom What My Life Would Be Like Without JOE SATRIANI'
What surprised John Petrucci when he played through Joe Satriani's rig
Testament Guitarist Alex Skolnick Remembers Taking Lessons from Joe Satriani
I love Joe. Learned more from him than any other guitarist and I never met the man. Composition and melody is more important to me than his lack of picking chops. His bending, phrasing, and vibrato are top tier in my book.
[youtube]2rsdZHcRM9c[youtube]
Nick Johnston, Lari Basilio and Plini on the genius of Joe Satriani
STEVE VAI: 'I Can't Even Fathom What My Life Would Be Like Without JOE SATRIANI'
What surprised John Petrucci when he played through Joe Satriani's rig
Testament Guitarist Alex Skolnick Remembers Taking Lessons from Joe Satriani
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02-08-2023, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Sounds like it could have been a lot worse without him.
Of course I have disdain. This is the man who taught kirk hammett and unleashed kirk hammett upon the world.
Hammett had been playing in the Bay Area thrash band Exodus, but Satch recalls that he suddenly was asked to join Metallica. “He disappeared for a few months then came back with a copy of Kill ’Em All,” Satriani says. He recalls helping Hammett figure out the key centers for his solos in some of Metallica’s songs. “Kirk would come in and say, ‘Check out this new song I have to solo over – what key is this in ?’ Often the song wasn’t in just one key. I had to teach him to decipher the song’s tonality, to understand the musical possibilities, and how to make his own decisions on what to play.”
If we're going down that road then no Satriani = no Steve Vai. Joe taught him in his early teens which paved the way for Berklee which then led to a transcribing job for Zappa and in the 80s he replaced Yngwie in Alcatrazz, then joined DLR, and the rest is history. Steve then returned the favor by getting him a record deal and hooking him up with Ibanez. Friends for life.
02-08-2023, 10:48 AM
#1867
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Considering Shmoe created kirk I counter that Vai was great despite Shmoe’s attempts to turn him into a kirk.
Sounds like it could have been a lot worse without him.
Hammett had been playing in the Bay Area thrash band Exodus, but Satch recalls that he suddenly was asked to join Metallica. “He disappeared for a few months then came back with a copy of Kill ’Em All,” Satriani says. He recalls helping Hammett figure out the key centers for his solos in some of Metallica’s songs. “Kirk would come in and say, ‘Check out this new song I have to solo over – what key is this in ?’ Often the song wasn’t in just one key. I had to teach him to decipher the song’s tonality, to understand the musical possibilities, and how to make his own decisions on what to play.”
If we're going down that road then no Satriani = no Steve Vai. Joe taught him in his early teens which paved the way for Berklee which then led to a transcribing job for Zappa and in the 80s he replaced Yngwie in Alcatrazz, then joined DLR, and the rest is history. Steve then returned the favor by getting him a record deal and hooking him up with Ibanez.
Hammett had been playing in the Bay Area thrash band Exodus, but Satch recalls that he suddenly was asked to join Metallica. “He disappeared for a few months then came back with a copy of Kill ’Em All,” Satriani says. He recalls helping Hammett figure out the key centers for his solos in some of Metallica’s songs. “Kirk would come in and say, ‘Check out this new song I have to solo over – what key is this in ?’ Often the song wasn’t in just one key. I had to teach him to decipher the song’s tonality, to understand the musical possibilities, and how to make his own decisions on what to play.”
If we're going down that road then no Satriani = no Steve Vai. Joe taught him in his early teens which paved the way for Berklee which then led to a transcribing job for Zappa and in the 80s he replaced Yngwie in Alcatrazz, then joined DLR, and the rest is history. Steve then returned the favor by getting him a record deal and hooking him up with Ibanez.
One of the things that gets me about Schmoe’s famous theory knowledge is that there is no sign of all that knowledge in his pedestrian music. All his licks sound the same and he never seemed to evolve.
I get that he was writing melodic ballad shred of whatever but it’s always just been very elevatory for me.
And yngwie has superior bending and vibrato imo.
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02-08-2023, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
It's all there especially in his early music. His interviews and guitar columns were gold for me. Learned a lot and inspired me to take it a lot further on my own which I did. Would be happy to discuss it further but your mind seems made up that he's a hack.
Considering Shmoe created kirk I counter that Vai was great despite Shmoe’s attempts to turn him into a kirk.
One of the things that gets me about Schmoe’s famous theory knowledge is that there is no sign of all that knowledge in his pedestrian music . All his licks sound the same and he never seemed to evolve.
I get that he was writing melodic ballad shred of whatever but it’s always just been very elevatory for me.
And yngwie has superior bending and vibrato imo.
One of the things that gets me about Schmoe’s famous theory knowledge is that there is no sign of all that knowledge in his pedestrian music . All his licks sound the same and he never seemed to evolve.
I get that he was writing melodic ballad shred of whatever but it’s always just been very elevatory for me.
And yngwie has superior bending and vibrato imo.
As for Yngwie he's great but a completely different player. Joe covered a lot more sonic territory in my opinion and theory wise went a lot deeper. And that super wide vibrato with those 8 gauge strings on a scalloped neck doesn't work for every musical situation. Joe's vibrato is more nuanced to me which is more obvious when they play blues. Of course it's not a competition. You like what you like.
02-08-2023, 11:06 AM
#1869
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Hack is a harsh term. I just think he’s substantially overrated.
It's all there especially in his early music. His interviews and guitar columns were gold for me. Learned a lot and inspired me to take it a lot further on my own which I did. Would be happy to discuss it further but your mind seems made up that he's a hack.
As for Yngwie he's great but a completely different player. Joe covered a lot more sonic territory in my opinion and theory wise went a lot deeper. And that super wide vibrato with those 8 gauge strings on a scalloped neck doesn't work for every musical situation. Joe's vibrato is more nuanced to me. Of course it's not a competition. You like what you like.
As for Yngwie he's great but a completely different player. Joe covered a lot more sonic territory in my opinion and theory wise went a lot deeper. And that super wide vibrato with those 8 gauge strings on a scalloped neck doesn't work for every musical situation. Joe's vibrato is more nuanced to me. Of course it's not a competition. You like what you like.
Schmoe would have been better as a guitarist in a band where he wasn’t writing the backing music and if he wasn’t heralded as some shred icon imo.
Of the clips that you play me the thing I’m impressed by is his tone and the execution of his bluesy phrasing. But he loses me instantly with his backing music and his super cringey chorus melodies. Ugh I cannot stand tracks like Summer Song.
In terms of musical knowledge expressed through their music I don’t hear Schmoe doing anything that’s more complex than Yngwie.
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02-08-2023, 11:30 AM
#1870
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Served its purpose I guess considering Sony used it to sell the Discman. Probably helped him buy his house.
I cannot stand tracks like Summer Song
You're cherrypicking the most commercial stuff and saying it's pure cheese. He's done nearly 20 albums. Not all of it is like that. It would be like listening to Jump and the Van Hagar ballads and being similarly critical of EVH. I'd say go listen to Fair Warning.
On that same album with Summer Song there's this. Nothing alike and far more interesting to me.
Of course you probably don't like the predictable verse-chorus pop song structure of these songs but then if you weren't adhering to that back in the 80s and 90s then you probably wouldn't have had a record deal for long and be back to flipping burgers to pay the bills. The way music is digested these days is also different. How many people put an album on and listen to it start to finish? It's like people binge watching TV dramas on streaming services with no ads these days — a script can be far more nuanced and it take time to build. That obviously wasn't feasible 20-30 years ago. It had to be 30-45 minutes long on a commercial network and be entertaining and pull a ratings audience right out of the gate every week or it got canned. Today you can dismiss some of those shows as "pure cheese."
Anyway Joe can certainly be proud of what he's accomplished. He's made a living for nearly 40 years playing instrumental guitar music. How many can say that?
02-08-2023, 12:15 PM
#1871
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Edit: Maybe I'm being too harsh on old Schmoe.
Served its purpose I guess considering Sony used it to sell the Discman. Probably helped him buy his house.
You're cherrypicking the most commercial stuff and saying it's pure cheese. He's done nearly 20 albums. Not all of it is like that. It would be like listening to Jump and the Van Hagar ballads and being similarly critical of EVH. I'd say go listen to Fair Warning.
On that same album with Summer Song there's this. Nothing alike and far more interesting to me.
[youtube]x6D-KwY-r08[youtube]
Of course you probably don't like the predictable verse-chorus pop song structure of these songs but then if you weren't adhering to that back in the 80s and 90s then you probably wouldn't have had a record deal for long and be back to flipping burgers to pay the bills. The way music is digested these days is also different. How many people put an album on and listen to it start to finish? It's like people binge watching TV dramas on streaming services with no ads these days — a script can be far more nuanced and it take time to build. That obviously wasn't feasible 20-30 years ago. It had to be 30-45 minutes long on a commercial network and be entertaining and pull a ratings audience right out of the gate every week or it got canned. Today you can dismiss some of those shows as "pure cheese."
Anyway Joe can certainly be proud of what he's accomplished. He's made a living for nearly 40 years playing instrumental guitar music. How many can say that?
You're cherrypicking the most commercial stuff and saying it's pure cheese. He's done nearly 20 albums. Not all of it is like that. It would be like listening to Jump and the Van Hagar ballads and being similarly critical of EVH. I'd say go listen to Fair Warning.
On that same album with Summer Song there's this. Nothing alike and far more interesting to me.
[youtube]x6D-KwY-r08[youtube]
Of course you probably don't like the predictable verse-chorus pop song structure of these songs but then if you weren't adhering to that back in the 80s and 90s then you probably wouldn't have had a record deal for long and be back to flipping burgers to pay the bills. The way music is digested these days is also different. How many people put an album on and listen to it start to finish? It's like people binge watching TV dramas on streaming services with no ads these days — a script can be far more nuanced and it take time to build. That obviously wasn't feasible 20-30 years ago. It had to be 30-45 minutes long on a commercial network and be entertaining and pull a ratings audience right out of the gate every week or it got canned. Today you can dismiss some of those shows as "pure cheese."
Anyway Joe can certainly be proud of what he's accomplished. He's made a living for nearly 40 years playing instrumental guitar music. How many can say that?
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02-08-2023, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Ah, yeah, Charvel neck much thinner than AZ neck. Yeah, it's a Suhr amp.
I think you were responding to my previous unedited post, I was in error. I was using the Charvel speed neck thickness instead of the Suhr modern neck. The AZ doesn't feel bad per se, but the neck just doesn't excite me the way a sleeker neck does.
Is the Bella combo the Suhr amp?
Is the Bella combo the Suhr amp?
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Ah, well, not to revisit the cheating issue, but since you brought up Meader, do you consider him to be cheating due to his crosspicking slurring strategy?
Even when I was younger and didn't understand the mechanics of guitar playing I gravitated towards the superior technicians over Shmoe Satriale. His overly cheesy slow melodies never did it for me.
Also the guy in the video is like 50 years old and is obviously some kind of guitar turbo nerd who likely had to dedicated years and years to be able to play that stuff. I've yet to see some youtube kid guitarist do anything even close except for Josh Meader, who is likely a prodigy, and that guy said his whole life, since a child, has revolved around guitar practicing. I think Holdsworth is a high watermark of playing that will probably resonate for a very long time.
Also the guy in the video is like 50 years old and is obviously some kind of guitar turbo nerd who likely had to dedicated years and years to be able to play that stuff. I've yet to see some youtube kid guitarist do anything even close except for Josh Meader, who is likely a prodigy, and that guy said his whole life, since a child, has revolved around guitar practicing. I think Holdsworth is a high watermark of playing that will probably resonate for a very long time.
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02-08-2023, 11:08 PM
#1873
Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Can you explain that technique a bit more in detail?
Ah, yeah, Charvel neck much thinner than AZ neck. Yeah, it's a Suhr amp.
Ah, well, not to revisit the cheating issue, but since you brought up Meader, do you consider him to be cheating due to his crosspicking slurring strategy?
Ah, well, not to revisit the cheating issue, but since you brought up Meader, do you consider him to be cheating due to his crosspicking slurring strategy?
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02-08-2023, 11:18 PM
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I'm close to pulling the trigger on a tube amp - a guilty pleasure metal amp. The Engl Ironball SE, just an all out shred machine. It has a power soak feature that goes down to 1 watt and also headphone playing and XLR for recording, loadable IRs, a boost, delay, reverb, and a noise gate.
25:50 starts the high gain channel portion.
12:45 has a good example of the boosted high gain channel.
Gonna keep the FM3 for general purpose, but I just wanted the most shredtastic, tightest small tube amp head I could find.
25:50 starts the high gain channel portion.
12:45 has a good example of the boosted high gain channel.
Gonna keep the FM3 for general purpose, but I just wanted the most shredtastic, tightest small tube amp head I could find.
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02-08-2023, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Of course I have disdain. This is the man who taught kirk hammett and unleashed kirk hammett upon the world.
Or, was it the milieu Kirk was dropped into which made Kirk into Kirk? What if it were the years he spent surrounded by James Hetfield and co?
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
02-08-2023, 11:43 PM
#1876
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Kirk Hammett doesn't do what Kirk Hammett does for Kirk Hammett. Kirk Hammett does what Kirk Hammett does because Kirk Hammett is Kirk Hammett.
Or, was it the milieu Kirk was dropped into which made Kirk into Kirk? What if it were the years he spent surrounded by James Hetfield and co?
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02-09-2023, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Unless economy/sweeping, he always precedes a crosspick with a slur. For example, an ascending 3-note per string scale would go: down/up/hammer on each string, and when descending it will go up/down/pull on each string.
Can you explain that technique a bit more in detail?
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02-09-2023, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
I wouldn’t call it cheating but it makes him seem more human. Considering the difficulty of some of his lines it’s probably almost necessary to use more than just alternate picking. Even hybrid picking is more acceptable when it comes to jazz and fusion lines, imo, because the angles and precision needed can be intense.
Unless economy/sweeping, he always precedes a crosspick with a slur. For example, an ascending 3-note per string scale would go: down/up/hammer on each string, and when descending it will go up/down/pull on each string.
When hybrid picking seems like cheating to me is when it’s obvious that the player didn’t properly develop their alternate picking technique and is used in relatively easy phrases where alternate picking would produce the more consistent tone.
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02-09-2023, 08:08 PM
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They could be doing it for a specific sound with the amount of gain they use. Like more of a legato player using less gain and picking more notes to even out the volume or conversely someone with elite picking chops using hammers to make lines sound less percussive and flow better.
For example extreme angling of the pick allows for much faster movement across the strings but I never liked the sound of it. It sounds scratchy like nails on a chalkboard. I'd rather sacrifice speed for clarity.
Gambale did an album with AH where he's absolutely redlining that sweep + economy picking thing he does. Holdsworth meanwhile sounds so much more fluid and in control like he's always got another gear to go to.
Compare around 3 mins in to 4:10~
Cliffs: It's not a sport so all that matters to me is the end result. Technique used is an afterthought.
For example extreme angling of the pick allows for much faster movement across the strings but I never liked the sound of it. It sounds scratchy like nails on a chalkboard. I'd rather sacrifice speed for clarity.
Gambale did an album with AH where he's absolutely redlining that sweep + economy picking thing he does. Holdsworth meanwhile sounds so much more fluid and in control like he's always got another gear to go to.
Compare around 3 mins in to 4:10~
Cliffs: It's not a sport so all that matters to me is the end result. Technique used is an afterthought.
02-09-2023, 08:18 PM
#1880
There's no such thing as cheating in guitar playing, just different ways to do ****. Like it or don't listen to it.
**** changes, for 2 years I religiously practiced with Paul Gilberts REH VHS tape. I could hang with him on that tape, but in real life he would put my dick in the mud.
My speed picking is still pretty good.
The real thing I missed out on for many years of trying to play as fast as I could other people **** was developing my own style. I'm in my late 40s now and I know it
**** changes, for 2 years I religiously practiced with Paul Gilberts REH VHS tape. I could hang with him on that tape, but in real life he would put my dick in the mud.
My speed picking is still pretty good.
The real thing I missed out on for many years of trying to play as fast as I could other people **** was developing my own style. I'm in my late 40s now and I know it
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02-09-2023, 08:23 PM
#1881
Kirk Hammett kicked ass until the Black album, but the whole band went to **** then
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02-09-2023, 08:47 PM
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I think we've been extending beyond the original sentiment I made by saying "cheating". I originally meant when someone does hybrid picking because they never bothered to learn proper alternate picking is all.
And I think the real sticking point with kirk hammett is that "vibrato". Like, it's so difficult to comprehend that anyone who thinks that vibrato sounds good would also be a good guitarist.
And I think the real sticking point with kirk hammett is that "vibrato". Like, it's so difficult to comprehend that anyone who thinks that vibrato sounds good would also be a good guitarist.
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02-09-2023, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted By bignpisst⏩
He was taking lessons until January 1988 which is exactly when Metallica started recording Justice.
The solo on One
sounds fine to me. Lessons were paying off.
Kirk Hammett kicked ass until the Black album, but the whole band went to **** then
"I took lessons from him in 1981," Kirk said. "We knew each other way back when. He gave lessons out of a small music store in Berkeley, California. And all of my friends were taking lessons from him and they were becoming incredible guitar players literally overnight. So I found him and said, 'Hey, I wanna become an incredible guitar player overnight too.' And so I took lessons from him for a while — for about a year or so."
Hammett recalled his first lesson with Satriani, saying: "It was actually very poignant. His first lesson to me was, 'Learn your lesson. Don't waste your time, don't waste my time. I expect you to know everything that I gave you in a week's time.' I was, like, 'This guy is serious.' But you know what? I did it, and he kicked my ass. But after a while, I was taking two lessons a week from him. I became so thirsty for what he had to offer me, I was just, like, 'Bring it on! It's all making sense. I wanna learn more.'"
02-09-2023, 09:23 PM
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Ordered the Ironball SE. Those lunchbox Friedmans didn't really work out but hopefully this lunchbox amp will. Little concerned about EL84s in a loud jamming environment competing with a drummer but that's not something that comes up often. I'm excited to actually use the real deal instead of a modeled version.
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02-09-2023, 09:29 PM
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02-09-2023, 10:18 PM
#1886
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Hack is a harsh term. I just think he’s substantially overrated.
Schmoe would have been better as a guitarist in a band where he wasn’t writing the backing music and if he wasn’t heralded as some shred icon imo.
Of the clips that you play me the thing I’m impressed by is his tone and the execution of his bluesy phrasing. But he loses me instantly with his backing music and his super cringey chorus melodies. Ugh I cannot stand tracks like Summer Song.
In terms of musical knowledge expressed through their music I don’t hear Schmoe doing anything that’s more complex than Yngwie.
Schmoe would have been better as a guitarist in a band where he wasn’t writing the backing music and if he wasn’t heralded as some shred icon imo.
Of the clips that you play me the thing I’m impressed by is his tone and the execution of his bluesy phrasing. But he loses me instantly with his backing music and his super cringey chorus melodies. Ugh I cannot stand tracks like Summer Song.
In terms of musical knowledge expressed through their music I don’t hear Schmoe doing anything that’s more complex than Yngwie.
Sure, Yngwie probably has the edge in terms of speed and technical proficiency at sweep picking etc. But Joe has a broader array of sounds, styles, and is far better at catching the ear with an interesting tune. Yngwie does what? Minor, harmonic minor, sweep picking, fairly run of the mill arpeggios etc.
Just didn't satiate me completely and it's why I found my way to more complex and unorthodox players like Holdsworth and the fusion guys.
Plus, Yngwie hadn't a shred of humility. Did you see that interview when he was presented with a selection of guitarists to listen to, but didn't know their names, and chat on every single one? And kind of walked back awkwardly when he found out it was a player held in high regard?
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
02-09-2023, 10:39 PM
#1887
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
I wasn't saying Yngwie's music was complex, I was saying both in certain contexts can be seen as bland. Yngwie definitely uses his signature chit over and over, I just love the way he sounded when he was in Alcatrazz. At that time he was just fukking blistering.
Sure, Yngwie probably has the edge in terms of speed and technical proficiency at sweep picking etc. But Joe has a broader array of sounds, styles, and is far better at catching the ear with an interesting tune. Yngwie does what? Minor, harmonic minor, sweep picking, fairly run of the mill arpeggios etc.
Just didn't satiate me completely and it's why I found my way to more complex and unorthodox players like Holdsworth and the fusion guys.
Plus, Yngwie hadn't a shred of humility. Did you see that interview when he was presented with a selection of guitarists to listen to, but didn't know their names, and chat on every single one? And kind of walked back awkwardly when he found out it was a player held in high regard?
Just didn't satiate me completely and it's why I found my way to more complex and unorthodox players like Holdsworth and the fusion guys.
Plus, Yngwie hadn't a shred of humility. Did you see that interview when he was presented with a selection of guitarists to listen to, but didn't know their names, and chat on every single one? And kind of walked back awkwardly when he found out it was a player held in high regard?
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02-11-2023, 12:42 PM
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Just ordered the Engl Fireball 25 as well to compare against the Ironball SE.
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02-11-2023, 08:58 PM
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Listened to the back to back samples. Prefer the Fireball 25 (6L6).
02-12-2023, 08:17 AM
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I sold all my bigger amps and been playing through practice amps for the past few years. Thinking about picking up a Fender amp maybe a Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
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