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01-29-2017, 11:51 PM
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Look at the bright side, can it possibly get any worse?
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01-30-2017, 05:35 AM
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lol at the fans freaking out and jumping ship!!!

Seems like the 49ers are structuring their team much like the Broncos are with Elway. Do you guys think Elway is out scouting and watching game tape for 12 hours a day? Lynch has said he is hiring a personnel guy and already knows who that will be. This just tells me that Kyle has a lot of power and will probably have the final say in the draft.

Im fine if that's the structure they want to follow. As long as Jed stays out of the football side, and isn't that what everyone wants?
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01-30-2017, 09:44 AM
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lol at the fans freaking out and jumping ship!!!

Seems like the 49ers are structuring their team much like the Broncos are with Elway. Do you guys think Elway is out scouting and watching game tape for 12 hours a day? Lynch has said he is hiring a personnel guy and already knows who that will be. This just tells me that Kyle has a lot of power and will probably have the final say in the draft.

Im fine if that's the structure they want to follow. As long as Jed stays out of the football side, and isn't that what everyone wants?
Yeah I like it even better if they can bring in like someone like Domnik to back him up. Following the Broncos structure makes sense.

If anything I give Jed credit for making such a move because it's a move which is far from "crowd pleasing"…just look at some of the posts itt, the other thread or 49er message boards.

Lynch is a smart dude and I think he brings something to this organization that will hopefully trickle down to the players.

And yeah abandoning ship now seems silly. I was willing to do that if they hired Cable because that guy is a fuking scumbag but Lynch is a great dude and possible HOF and great person to have in the organization.

You can question his resume(because there is none) but not his character. But HC and GM are very different. GM is a position that relies very much on the scouts and other guys in the front office. Sure some GMs go the extra mile and really do their own scouting at least on some players but none of them do it on their own and none of them are perfect. Have to see how this goes before judging it.

Now if he starts drafting WRs top 10 3 years in a row we may have a problem.
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01-30-2017, 01:40 PM
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Yeah I like it even better if they can bring in like someone like Domnik to back him up. Following the Broncos structure makes sense.

If anything I give Jed credit for making such a move because it's a move which is far from "crowd pleasing"…just look at some of the posts itt, the other thread or 49er message boards.

Lynch is a smart dude and I think he brings something to this organization that will hopefully trickle down to the players.

And yeah abandoning ship now seems silly. I was willing to do that if they hired Cable because that guy is a fuking scumbag but Lynch is a great dude and possible HOF and great person to have in the organization.

You can question his resume(because there is none) but not his character. But HC and GM are very different. GM is a position that relies very much on the scouts and other guys in the front office. Sure some GMs go the extra mile and really do their own scouting at least on some players but none of them do it on their own and none of them are perfect. Have to see how this goes before judging it.

Now if he starts drafting WRs top 10 3 years in a row we may have a problem.
Or drafting safeties.

I wonder what his thoughts are on Kap?

I do find it weird that he apparently traveled with York to Atlanta to interview with Shanny. What did he do while they interviewed the other two candidates? lol would have been an awkward ride back if they liked the other guy more.
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01-31-2017, 02:49 AM
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Credit where it's due, Lynch was a beast of a player, obviously knows football from playing/commentating for the past 20 years, and he's prepared for Jed and Paraag to lend their expertise where it isn't needed or wanted. It seems his solid connections with the Shanahan, friendships with media personalities (Glazer seems to be overly positive about this for some reason) and experience with Bill Walsh got him over the line.

In saying all that, you need to be an eternal optimist to think this will work. Rookie head coach, GM with zero experience at any level, and hopeless ownership, it's just a recipe for disaster.


At this point, you'd hope they bring in Mike Shanahan (if anyone knows the Broncos front office structure, it's Mike Shanahan) to bring credible experience to the front office and experienced co-ordinators to help Kyle out as he's going to need it.
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01-31-2017, 06:31 AM
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Credit where it's due, Lynch was a beast of a player, obviously knows football from playing/commentating for the past 20 years, and he's prepared for Jed and Paraag to lend their expertise where it isn't needed or wanted. It seems his solid connections with the Shanahan, friendships with media personalities (Glazer seems to be overly positive about this for some reason) and experience with Bill Walsh got him over the line.

In saying all that, you need to be an eternal optimist to think this will work. Rookie head coach, GM with zero experience at any level, and hopeless ownership, it's just a recipe for disaster.


At this point, you'd hope they bring in Mike Shanahan (if anyone knows the Broncos front office structure, it's Mike Shanahan) to bring credible experience to the front office and experienced co-ordinators to help Kyle out as he's going to need it.
High risk high reward situation with both hires as far as I'm concerned.

First time HC/First time GM…so much could go wrong. To be fair to York, this could be why they're giving them a 6 year deal. I think everyone understands this is a long term project so we as fans have to be prepared for some awful seasons in the near future.

The question will be 3-4 years from now will Shanahan/Lynch be ready to go? Or will they still be learning and fumbling around?

I do think the best time to hire a duo like this is when you have high draft picks. Much easier to draft when you're picking high. Of course the dangerous part is no QB in place…swinging and missing on a QB at #2 is tough to swallow. Maybe not as much as pre rookie cap but still stings.

I'm praying Cleveland doesn't draft Garrett at the top of the draft because it would make our pick obvious. But it's a lot more likely he'll be their pick and we're going to have a tough spot - do we take that first QB, go with another position or try to trade down?

I'm in the trade down camp but it takes two teams to do that and someone has to be there worth trading up for.

What I do like about the Lynch hire is it seems he's very well respected. Denver has granted us permission to interview their head scout Adam Peters who is regarded as a very good talent. If we could get him on board it would be a big get. Guy comes from the Pats originally so you definitely have someone who knows what it takes to find quality player.

Lynch has connections in this sport and it's clear people are pulling for him. Hopefully he proves them right.

I will say I am concerned about Heath Evans being a fan of this move. That guy is a dumbass and wrong like 99% of the time. Hoping this is one of the rare occasions he's correct. Though I saw Cris Carter wasn't fond of the move so it should balance out Evans since Carter is wrong just as often.
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01-31-2017, 07:35 AM
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Fuk yeah…good hire to help John out.

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Source: New #49ers GM John Lynch hires top personnel target. Adam Peters (formerly with Broncos) becomes vice president of player personnel.
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01-31-2017, 07:47 AM
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Fuk yeah…good hire to help John out.

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I like that! I am not sure how everything will turn out, but I do like that fact that we are looking long term. 6 years is a long time and it looks like Jed is realizing that he needs to go long term. We can't keep hiring and firing after a year. We have no real systems is place. The front office has been an open door. Hopefully this does all work out and we start seeing good things happen.
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01-31-2017, 09:06 AM
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I dont know about you guys but Im starting to get excited after reading the transcript of Lynchs interview and seeing the news just now that he has hired the Peters guy from the Broncos to be his VP of personnel.

I was a bit concerned that the 49ers would be behind the 8-ball in scouting for the upcoming draft but with Gambles staff still intact and Peters already scouting for the Broncos we should be ok.

There is talk about Lynch hiring another guy such as Dominik or Hickey to help which would be awesome but Im not so sure he really needs them.
Ill be rooting for Atlanta in the SB so Shanny can get that taste of a championship and bring it over to the 49ers. We have to be patient because this rebuild will be a few years but I feel that we are headed in the right direction.
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01-31-2017, 11:35 AM
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Fuk yeah…good hire to help John out.

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Interesting… I wonder how much input he had with drafting Paxton Lynch?

Agree with you though, we need to trade down as this team needs alot of talent. Avoid the 05' situation of overdrafting for a QB, take a discounted offer if necessary and get a 1st next season.

Rosen in a Niners uniform, with more weapons from this years draft would be the ideal scenario.
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Interesting… I wonder how much input he had with drafting Paxton Lynch?

Agree with you though, we need to trade down as this team needs alot of talent. Avoid the 05' situation of overdrafting for a QB, take a discounted offer if necessary and get a 1st next season.

Rosen in a Niners uniform, with more weapons from this years draft would be the ideal scenario.
I'm really excited about this hire. Guys sounds like a great get.

One member of Denver's front office reportedly called Peters, "a savant." Broncos running back C.J. Anderson thanked Peters for being the one to give him a chance in Denver. Peters deserves credit for Denver's acquisitions of Von Miller, Chris Harris Jr. (undrafted free agent) and Malik Jackson - all players who were key contributors in Super Bowl 50.

Next year should have a crazy deep QB class. It's partly why I'd rather we avoid the position in the first round this year.

Just thinking of who could be available next year.

Rosen
Sam Darnold
Luke Falk
Jake Browning
Mason Rudolph
And other guys who will probably jump up there.

Lamar Jackson is not an NFL QB but someone may want to draft him.
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02-01-2017, 06:44 AM
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Jay Cutler to the niners?
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02-01-2017, 06:57 AM
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Yuck…

Honestly i think with what I know of John Lynch and what I think he'd want to bring in to this team I think Cutler and Kaepernick are guys to stay away from.
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02-01-2017, 02:27 PM
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Hopefully the bolded part is actually true

Lynch talking about Jed York.

“He’s tired of some strife and some contention in the building. He wants harmony. He wants to give us the resources. He wants to be a support mechanism, but he wants to get out of the way and let us work. And, to me, that’s an awesome deal.”

The more and more I think about it the more I hope we don't go QB in the first round. I could live with Trubisky or even Deshaun Watson but I'd be willing to wait another year. I'd like to see something like this…

Perfect world Cleveland doesn't draft Garrett and it's super simple with our first pick but I think unfortunately he'll be their guy and we'll have a big question on our hands.

1. Trade Down - Hopefully the Jets do like one of the top QBs in this class or somebody wants to jump up for Jonathan Allen. I'm thinking a 1st and 2nd and 2nd or 3rd next year could get it done.

1. Solomon Thomas - kind of caught in the middle between 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB but the kid can play, simple as that. Lynch being a Stanford alum I'm sure he knows the scoop on him.
2a. Haason Reddick - this kid really helped himself at the senior bowl. Super versatile and should only get better with NFL coaching
2b. Forrest Lamp - can play anywhere on the OL
3. Zay Jones - he showed he can play with the big boys and you can't deny the production. I feel this kid will do some really good things in the pros and is a terrific teammate.
4. Nathan Peterman - experience in pro style offense, not a high ceiling but could be another Kirk Cousins type
5. Travin Dural - love both the LSU WRs and think they can be stellar pros. I think Dural ends up climbing much higher after the combine but right now he seems to be low on the radar
6. Kendall Beckwith - not sure if he drops even this far with his knee injury but even without Baalke this is an ACL pick worth making
7. Cooper Rush - development QB
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Hopefully the bolded part is actually true

Lynch talking about Jed York.

“He’s tired of some strife and some contention in the building. He wants harmony. He wants to give us the resources. He wants to be a support mechanism, but he wants to get out of the way and let us work. And, to me, that’s an awesome deal.”

The more and more I think about it the more I hope we don't go QB in the first round. I could live with Trubisky or even Deshaun Watson but I'd be willing to wait another year. I'd like to see something like this…

Perfect world Cleveland doesn't draft Garrett and it's super simple with our first pick but I think unfortunately he'll be their guy and we'll have a big question on our hands.

1. Trade Down - Hopefully the Jets do like one of the top QBs in this class or somebody wants to jump up for Jonathan Allen. I'm thinking a 1st and 2nd and 2nd or 3rd next year could get it done.

1. Solomon Thomas - kind of caught in the middle between 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB but the kid can play, simple as that. Lynch being a Stanford alum I'm sure he knows the scoop on him.
2a. Haason Reddick - this kid really helped himself at the senior bowl. Super versatile and should only get better with NFL coaching
2b. Forrest Lamp - can play anywhere on the OL
3. Zay Jones - he showed he can play with the big boys and you can't deny the production. I feel this kid will do some really good things in the pros and is a terrific teammate.
4. Nathan Peterman - experience in pro style offense, not a high ceiling but could be another Kirk Cousins type
5. Travin Dural - love both the LSU WRs and think they can be stellar pros. I think Dural ends up climbing much higher after the combine but right now he seems to be low on the radar
6. Kendall Beckwith - not sure if he drops even this far with his knee injury but even without Baalke this is an ACL pick worth making
7. Cooper Rush - development QB

I really hope that bolded part is true.
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Hopefully the bolded part is actually true

Lynch talking about Jed York.

“He’s tired of some strife and some contention in the building. He wants harmony. He wants to give us the resources. He wants to be a support mechanism, but he wants to get out of the way and let us work. And, to me, that’s an awesome deal.”

The more and more I think about it the more I hope we don't go QB in the first round. I could live with Trubisky or even Deshaun Watson but I'd be willing to wait another year. I'd like to see something like this…

Perfect world Cleveland doesn't draft Garrett and it's super simple with our first pick but I think unfortunately he'll be their guy and we'll have a big question on our hands.

1. Trade Down - Hopefully the Jets do like one of the top QBs in this class or somebody wants to jump up for Jonathan Allen. I'm thinking a 1st and 2nd and 2nd or 3rd next year could get it done.

1. Solomon Thomas - kind of caught in the middle between 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB but the kid can play, simple as that. Lynch being a Stanford alum I'm sure he knows the scoop on him.
2a. Haason Reddick - this kid really helped himself at the senior bowl. Super versatile and should only get better with NFL coaching
2b. Forrest Lamp - can play anywhere on the OL
3. Zay Jones - he showed he can play with the big boys and you can't deny the production. I feel this kid will do some really good things in the pros and is a terrific teammate.
4. Nathan Peterman - experience in pro style offense, not a high ceiling but could be another Kirk Cousins type
5. Travin Dural - love both the LSU WRs and think they can be stellar pros. I think Dural ends up climbing much higher after the combine but right now he seems to be low on the radar
6. Kendall Beckwith - not sure if he drops even this far with his knee injury but even without Baalke this is an ACL pick worth making
7. Cooper Rush - development QB
Is that from the Radio interview he did? Heard that part and it makes me hopeful. Also the fact the one day later he was able to go and get peters.
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Is that from the Radio interview he did? Heard that part and it makes me hopeful. Also the fact the one day later he was able to go and get peters.
Yeah it was. Like what I'm hearing so far but they have to go and make it work in reality.
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Yeah it was. Like what I'm hearing so far but they have to go and make it work in reality.

Basically we wil believe it when we see it. I like what I see and hear at the moment but given the track record it makes it hard to believe it.
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I honestly missed this extension earlier but now we have details of the contract extension Ray Ray Armstrong signed

http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2/2...ers-salary-cap


Say what you will about Paraag but he's excellent with contracts. Amrstrong was playing pretty well before his injury and could be a steal at those numbers. At the very least it's a very low risk contract for a guy who could outplay it in a big way.
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I honestly missed this extension earlier but now we have details of the contract extension Ray Ray Armstrong signed

http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2/2...ers-salary-cap


Say what you will about Paraag but he's excellent with contracts. Amrstrong was playing pretty well before his injury and could be a steal at those numbers. At the very least it's a very low risk contract for a guy who could outplay it in a big way.
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Going back to yalls topic earlier about Jed staying out of the football decisions, it kind of sounds like he done that last year too. From what everything I heard that came out after Baalke was let go it seemed like Jed gave the keys to Baalke and watched him crash and burn. I was really surprised that it was Baalke who vetoed the Adam Gase hire and not Jed.

I don't want to defend Jed too much but maybe its not all of his fault like we previous thought.
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02-02-2017, 11:11 AM
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So are we gonna have an OC or is Shanahan calling plays does anybody know?
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So are we gonna have an OC or is Shanahan calling plays does anybody know?
We'll have an OC but I'm pretty sure he'll call his own plays. Much like Chip/Modkins last year.
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Ya I know we'll have one just didn't know if he would actually do anything or Shanahan would call plays. I would be more behind Shanahan calling plays tbh.
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02-03-2017, 09:02 AM
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Looks like Kap is going to opt out of his contract…shocker to nobody.

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Looks like Kap is going to opt out of his contract…shocker to nobody.

That dude is my Fredo…

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Not surprised either…. The real question is if any team decides to sign him.
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Not surprised either…. The real question is if any team decides to sign him.
I'm sure someone will give him a shot but we'll see if his stance plays a factor.
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I'm sure someone will give him a shot but we'll see if his stance plays a factor .

Yep… That is a big part. Clearly his head isn't really here anymore for football. He is focused on other things. He made his money and could walk away, or he does realize he wants to play. Should be interesting… More importantly we now do not have a QB….
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02-03-2017, 10:23 AM
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I don't honestly see a lot of teams who want to take on that headache. He's going to have to separate his political views from football.
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02-04-2017, 06:06 AM
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Basically we wil believe it when we see it. I like what I see and hear at the moment but given the track record it makes it hard to believe it.
Well said - Jed's statements hold no weight.

It seems that the shock of hiring Lynch has masked the fact that nearly every candidate voluntarily withdrew themselves. Were they not given assurances of zero football meddling? Or did they simply not trust Jed?

On a different (and positive) note, Kyle Turley was on a radio show and said it was a great hire and Lynch is a respected from a players standpoint. He believed front office experience was overrated, as he knew a guy in the New Orleans mailroom that ended up becoming a GM in Chicago.
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