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02-21-2023, 08:01 AM
#1921
Originally Posted By jimmybobjim⏩
i think he's pulling your leg to justify that repair bill. 10 years in the case should be fine. I would have just changed the strings and started playing.
That’s not some unheard of price to set up an acoustic and do some minor repairs/maintenance.

Set-ups these days from established luthiers usually cost $100+ in my experience.
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02-21-2023, 08:07 AM
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That’s not some unheard of price to set up an acoustic and do some minor repairs/maintenance.

Set-ups these days from established luthiers usually cost $100+ in my experience.
yea, but it may have not needed any of those services. Can't tell without pics. Would also like to know the model of the guitar. Again, that's my noob 2 cents. Feel free to disagree.
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02-21-2023, 08:11 AM
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yea, but it may have not needed any of those services. Can't tell without pics. Would also like to know the model of the guitar. Solid wood is more prone to humidity damage in the body. Neck usually doesn't care about that. Again, that's my noob 2 cents. Feel free to disagree.
That acoustic guitar, from how it is described, certainly needed a basic setup. Also if the frets are rusty, they probably needed at least a polishing.

And necks can be tempermental as well as bellying that often occurs under the saddle area that can lead to high action in acoustics. The neck could need shimming or the saddle might need to be shaved down, etc.
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02-21-2023, 09:19 AM
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Post some pics of the guitar. He probably said neck adjustment; a neck reset is much more costly and usually needed on much older acoustics. He's probably just going to steel wool the frets and fingerboard, oil it, and do a truss adjustment.
Yes he said he would have to clean it and adjust the height to lower the action.

It’s a Taylor 214CE acoustic. These were the pictures I took before I went to the luthier.
Right now my guitar is at his shop but for some reason he is not responding to my messages of when I can pick up my guitar, he only left me on read. Hopefully he won’t try to steal it since I have no receipt. He is a legit luthier however so I assume it should be okay.

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02-21-2023, 09:20 AM
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Yes he said he would have to clean it and adjust the height to lower the action.

It’s a Taylor 214CE acoustic. These were the pictures I took before I went to the luthier.
Right now my guitar is at his shop but for some reason he is not responding to my messages of when I can pick up my guitar, he only left me on read. Hopefully he won’t try to steal it since I have no receipt. He is a legit luthier however so I assume it should be okay.
Lol doubt a luthier is going to steal a 200 series Taylor.
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02-22-2023, 06:00 AM
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Yes he said he would have to clean it and adjust the height to lower the action.

It’s a Taylor 214CE acoustic. These were the pictures I took before I went to the luthier.
Right now my guitar is at his shop but for some reason he is not responding to my messages of when I can pick up my guitar, he only left me on read. Hopefully he won’t try to steal it since I have no receipt. He is a legit luthier however so I assume it should be okay.

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02-22-2023, 07:52 AM
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Neck resets are a major reason why I want to sell my Martin and get a Taylor for the long term.
Shiity tone is why I sold my Taylor 814. I've had more than a few neck resets done. They are nothing to worry about if done by a good dude. Seek a guy who regularly does resets on sought after vintage guitar models.

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Yes he said he would have to clean it and adjust the height to lower the action.

It’s a Taylor 214CE acoustic. These were the pictures I took before I went to the luthier.
Right now my guitar is at his shop but for some reason he is not responding to my messages of when I can pick up my guitar, he only left me on read. Hopefully he won’t try to steal it since I have no receipt. He is a legit luthier however so I assume it should be okay.

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X and Y pics of bridge, neck set, and fingerboard tongue would have helped with the neck stuff. But it needs a polish on the frets and remove the crud on the fingerboard. Could or could not need a saddle adjustment, but if it needs a neck adjustment, which it probably most certainly does, luthiers are going to make it sound like they're doing nut and saddle sanding when they say, "Yeah, then I'm going to adjust the neck and setup the action so it plays like butter" but all they're going to do is twist the rod 1/4 turn. If they're planning on sanding saddles and nuts, you're definitely going to hear about it.
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02-22-2023, 11:49 AM
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Shiity tone is why I sold my Taylor 814. I've had more than a few neck resets done. They are nothing to worry about if done by a good dude. Seek a guy who regularly does resets on sought after vintage guitar models.



X and Y pics of bridge, neck set, and fingerboard tongue would have helped with the neck stuff. But it needs a polish on the frets and remove the crud on the fingerboard. Could or could not need a saddle adjustment, but if it needs a neck adjustment, which it probably most certainly does, luthiers are going to make it sound like they're doing nut and saddle sanding when they say, "Yeah, then I'm going to adjust the neck and setup the action so it plays like butter" but all they're going to do is twist the rod 1/4 turn. If they're planning on sanding saddles and nuts, you're definitely going to hear about it.
I can’t take new pictures since my guitar is in his shop.

He told me he needed to raise the neck a lot. And clean the frets. Other than that, he didn’t mention anything. He said it wasn’t anything special and easy work. He mentioned the neck was straight. He was just surprised by the discoloring and the erosion. Quoted me $175

It’s affordable although not cheap. I just hope that it will be good to play with afterwards because the action was really high.

Thank you everyone for replying with so much detail. I personally know nothing of guitars myself so this is a big help.
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02-22-2023, 02:38 PM
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Shiity tone is why I sold my Taylor 814. I've had more than a few neck resets done. They are nothing to worry about if done by a good dude. Seek a guy who regularly does resets on sought after vintage guitar models.
It just looks scary to me, the whole steaming the fretboard off and the way the fretboard bends at that area where they inject the steam into. It just looks frightening to the layperson.

Also, ime, Taylors seem to have better intonation then Martins. I can't stand bad intonation on acoustics.
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02-28-2023, 08:19 AM
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So I accidentally left the Ironball SE on Standby overnight. Can this permanently damage the hardware of the amp or does this just lower the life of the tubes?
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02-28-2023, 08:32 AM
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So I accidentally left the Ironball SE on Standby overnight. Can this permanently damage the hardware of the amp or does this just lower the life of the tubes?
It won't affect either too much if there's no signal.
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02-28-2023, 08:48 AM
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It won't affect either too much if there's no signal.
I find a quote in an article that made me paranoid:

"On the other hand, we’d highly discourage anyone to keep their tube amp turned on for too long. Firstly, you don’t want to spend a ton of money buying new tubes all the time. And secondly, although slim, there are still chances that you might do further and irreversible damage to your amplifier."
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02-28-2023, 08:52 AM
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I find a quote in an article that made me paranoid:

"On the other hand, we’d highly discourage anyone to keep their tube amp turned on for too long. Firstly, you don’t want to spend a ton of money buying new tubes all the time. And secondly, although slim, there are still chances that you might do further and irreversible damage to your amplifier."
Why would playing the amp for three sessions of three hours be different than letting it on overnight. Tube amps are old, stable technology not chitty modern disposable electronics.
Even so worse case scenario you now have ten hours less on the power tubes.
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02-28-2023, 11:06 AM
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So I accidentally left the Ironball SE on Standby overnight. Can this permanently damage the hardware of the amp or does this just lower the life of the tubes?
No just don't make a habit of it. The amp in standby isn't doing chit and nowhere near full operating voltage to the tubes.
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03-01-2023, 09:12 AM
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Yeah it seems like the amp is most likely fine. At the very least it still sounds great.
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03-01-2023, 05:25 PM
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Looking into picking up guitar. I've always wanted to learn, and tried once before and didn't stick with it. A couple questions if anybody could help. Where's the best place online to learn, people on YouTube? I really enjoy listening to finger style stuff, so I eventually want to work up to being able to do some of that.

And should I buy this guitar?

https://www.sweetwater.com/c600--6St...B&gclsrc=aw.ds


would that be a good one to learn on? I have an old black Ibanez that's like 20 years old, and hasn't been maintained at all. And even back then it was like a $300 electric acoustic.
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03-01-2023, 06:36 PM
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Looking into picking up guitar. I've always wanted to learn, and tried once before and didn't stick with it. A couple questions if anybody could help. Where's the best place online to learn, people on YouTube? I really enjoy listening to finger style stuff, so I eventually want to work up to being able to do some of that.

And should I buy this guitar?

https://www.sweetwater.com/c600--6St...B&gclsrc=aw.ds


would that be a good one to learn on? I have an old black Ibanez that's like 20 years old, and hasn't been maintained at all. And even back then it was like a $300 electric acoustic.
Youtube is a great resource to learn just about anything you might want in terms of guitar instruction. Just find the beginner videos with tons of views and likes.

In terms of that guitar you posted, imo, you might want to start a bit cheaper as it may take a bit before you'd be really able to appreciate that one if you're a total beginner. Yamaha makes great beginner guitars that being said.
This might be a more appropriate choice.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...oncert-natural
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03-01-2023, 11:29 PM
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Looking into picking up guitar. I've always wanted to learn, and tried once before and didn't stick with it. A couple questions if anybody could help. Where's the best place online to learn, people on YouTube? I really enjoy listening to finger style stuff, so I eventually want to work up to being able to do some of that.

And should I buy this guitar?

https://www.sweetwater.com/c600--6St...B&gclsrc=aw.ds


would that be a good one to learn on? I have an old black Ibanez that's like 20 years old, and hasn't been maintained at all. And even back then it was like a $300 electric acoustic.


It'd help tremendously if you told us which music styles you would like to play, since that will factor in tremendously, as well the sort of sound you're shooting for. E.g I had a Gibson Epiphone at one stage, and it sounded nice, but I eventually matured in my music ability and wanted to play progressive metal and jazz fusion, and found a Les Paul model wasn't the best for that sort of stuff.

I still need to get myself a new guitar, but this time around, I'm getting something built for speed and more metal.
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03-02-2023, 08:04 AM
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Youtube is a great resource to learn just about anything you might want in terms of guitar instruction. Just find the beginner videos with tons of views and likes.

In terms of that guitar you posted, imo, you might want to start a bit cheaper as it may take a bit before you'd be really able to appreciate that one if you're a total beginner. Yamaha makes great beginner guitars that being said.
This might be a more appropriate choice.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...oncert-natural
The only reason I thought about getting a more expensive guitar would be maybe I’d be more inclined to stick with it knowing I have something nice I’m playing on. Tbh my Ibanez is probably fine.
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It'd help tremendously if you told us which music styles you would like to play, since that will factor in tremendously, as well the sort of sound you're shooting for. E.g I had a Gibson Epiphone at one stage, and it sounded nice, but I eventually matured in my music ability and wanted to play progressive metal and jazz fusion, and found a Les Paul model wasn't the best for that sort of stuff.

I still need to get myself a new guitar, but this time around, I'm getting something built for speed and more metal.
”Neon” by John Mayer is a song I’d love to be able to play. That type of music. I also like classical music. But Rock music mostly I’d guess.

Of course I realize how hard that neon song is considered to play. But that’s just an example of what I think sounds really good.
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03-02-2023, 08:32 AM
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”Neon” by John Mayer is a song I’d love to be able to play. That type of music. I also like classical music on acoustic guitar.

Of course I realize how hard that neon song is considered to play. But that’s just an example of what I think sounds really good.
Don't expect to be able to play Neon for a very long time.
That's mayer's hardest song to play imo.
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03-02-2023, 08:38 AM
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this is on the bucketlist of things to learn. one day…..one day

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03-02-2023, 08:43 AM
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Don't expect to be able to play Neon for a very long time.
That's mayer's hardest song to play imo.
yeah I figured as much. I was watching a wired video on YouTube yesterday with Tim Henson the guitar player for Polyphia. And he even said that song was insanely hard.


My problem is most of the songs I really like listening to are all insanely difficult. lol I guess everybody has to start off learning the basic cords and strumming patterns and be content with just playing songs like "wonderwall" for awhile. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just imagine the finger picking and finger style is much more difficult.
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03-02-2023, 09:28 AM
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yeah I figured as much. I was watching a wired video on YouTube yesterday with Tim Henson the guitar player for Polyphia. And he even said that song was insanely hard.


My problem is most of the songs I really like listening to are all insanely difficult. lol I guess everybody has to start off learning the basic cords and strumming patterns and be content with just playing songs like "wonderwall" for awhile. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just imagine the finger picking and finger style is much more difficult.
Most acoustic songs are not insanely difficult but Neon is played unconventionally. Imo Mayer’s best work is his acoustic stuff. His blues playing is great but also kind of predictable in the traditional sense.
His acoustic work had a lot of interesting techniques that he took from players like Charlie Hunter.

Fingerstyle isn’t super difficult to learn but, just like any technique, can be taken to a point that is challenging to play. I wouldn’t be too intimidated by it, it just seems bigger than it really is because you haven’t learned the mechanics.
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03-02-2023, 12:39 PM
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I find a quote in an article that made me paranoid:

"On the other hand, we’d highly discourage anyone to keep their tube amp turned on for too long. Firstly, you don’t want to spend a ton of money buying new tubes all the time. And secondly, although slim, there are still chances that you might do further and irreversible damage to your amplifier."
Who said that, and what's too long? I've had rehearsals go as long as 8-12 hours with the amps on the entire time and near-dimed the whole time. If you need piece of mind, just email Engl.

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The only reason I thought about getting a more expensive guitar would be maybe I’d be more inclined to stick with it knowing I have something nice I’m playing on. Tbh my Ibanez is probably fine.
I know a guy with a $20K Preston Thompson, and it just hangs on the wall. Once you encounter real resistance, which doesn't take too long to happen, that theory will wear off fast.

That said, I don't think it's a big deal getting that guitar, so long as it's affordable to you. If the money makes it a "this will be my one and only," then you should not get it because you will change your mind about your tastes in guitars after playing for a few years.

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”Neon” by John Mayer is a song I’d love to be able to play. That type of music. I also like classical music. But Rock music mostly I’d guess.

Of course I realize how hard that neon song is considered to play. But that’s just an example of what I think sounds really good.
Once you get a handle on chords and some basic travis picking, Mauro Giuliani 120 Studies for Right Hand Development. Anyone who goes through that book using proper planting techniques will find Neon to be quite easy, especially if using thumb/index/middle/ring on the sixteenth note triplet.

Mayer plays it as thumb/index/thumb/index which isn't native to classical guitar technique on four separate string arpeggios, but it's not that huge of an adjustment if one desires to use his fingering. The left hand will require years of playing to functionally use those chords, as well.
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Once you get a handle on chords and some basic travis picking, Mauro Giuliani 120 Studies for Right Hand Development. Anyone who goes through that book using proper planting techniques will find Neon to be quite easy, especially if using thumb/index/middle/ring on the sixteenth note triplet.

Mayer plays it as thumb/index/thumb/index which isn't native to classical guitar technique on four separate string arpeggios, but it's not that huge of an adjustment if one desires to use his fingering. The left hand will require years of playing to functionally use those chords, as well.
Lmao translation "once you put in all this hard ass work over a long period of time, Neon is easy".

Btw, what led you to your current choice in guitar, the Charvel San Dimas? Is there a big difference between the San Dimas and the DK24? Or the Cali? I'm wondering the feel of those respective Charvels is different.
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Who said that, and what's too long? I've had rehearsals go as long as 8-12 hours with the amps on the entire time and near-dimed the whole time. If you need piece of mind, just email Engl.



I know a guy with a $20K Preston Thompson, and it just hangs on the wall. Once you encounter real resistance, which doesn't take too long to happen, that theory will wear off fast.

That said, I don't think it's a big deal getting that guitar, so long as it's affordable to you. If the money makes it a "this will be my one and only," then you should not get it because you will change your mind about your tastes in guitars after playing for a few years.



Once you get a handle on chords and some basic travis picking, Mauro Giuliani 120 Studies for Right Hand Development. Anyone who goes through that book using proper planting techniques will find Neon to be quite easy, especially if using thumb/index/middle/ring on the sixteenth note triplet.

Mayer plays it as thumb/index/thumb/index which isn't native to classical guitar technique on four separate string arpeggios, but it's not that huge of an adjustment if one desires to use his fingering. The left hand will require years of playing to functionally use those chords, as well.
Appreciate all the info! Got you guys off spread.

I briefly looked up Mauro Giuliani 120 Studies for Right Hand Development, and a video of the travis picking. And those look like skills I'd love to learn.

Also do you have anybody you recommend on YouTube for complete beginners to follow and be on a good path? I'm thinking of going with Justins Guitar lessons, I saw someone mentioned his lessons on the first page, and looking into it it seems that might be a good guy to follow.
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Lmao translation "once you put in all this hard ass work over a long period of time, Neon is easy".
Basically, lol. But Hungarian Rhapsody No 2 for classical will still be difficult after the Giuliani book.

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Btw, what led you to your current choice in guitar, the Charvel San Dimas? Is there a big difference between the San Dimas and the DK24? Or the Cali? I'm wondering the feel of those respective Charvels is different.
The only difference between So-Cal and San Dimas is the pickguard.

The main differences between those and the DK24, is the DK has a roasted maple neck, Gotoh and locking tuners, contoured heel, and smaller body. I think that's it, and a tone control. The neck dimensions are the same. If you like the 24 frets and similar stuff to the 24 fret Suhrs, then I think that would be the one to get. I got mine because it looks like an OG I had back in the day. If I was looking to pick up a Charvel for something else, then it would be roasted and without a Floyd, so a Dinky or maybe a Guthrie.

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Appreciate all the info! Got you guys off spread.

I briefly looked up Mauro Giuliani 120 Studies for Right Hand Development, and a video of the travis picking. And those look like skills I'd love to learn.

Also do you have anybody you recommend on YouTube for complete beginners to follow and be on a good path? I'm thinking of going with Justins Guitar lessons, I saw someone mentioned his lessons on the first page, and looking into it it seems that might be a good guy to follow.
Haven't seen much of his stuff but what I did see was done well, so I think that will work. Get some basic chords down, get into basic travis picking, and then expand on it by learning some classical right hand techniques and you can start working on that book. The problem with the book is the studies are not in the best order after about the first ten. For that, you can look up Scott Tennant's ordering of the 120 studies. They were placed in his book Pumping Nylon but you can find the groups if you look around when you're ready.
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Basically, lol. But Hungarian Rhapsody No 2 for classical will still be difficult after the Giuliani book.



The only difference between So-Cal and San Dimas is the pickguard.

The main differences between those and the DK24, is the DK has a roasted maple neck, Gotoh and locking tuners, contoured heel, and smaller body. I think that's it, and a tone control. The neck dimensions are the same. If you like the 24 frets and similar stuff to the 24 fret Suhrs, then I think that would be the one to get. I got mine because it looks like an OG I had back in the day. If I was looking to pick up a Charvel for something else, then it would be roasted and without a Floyd, so a Dinky or maybe a Guthrie.



Haven't seen much of his stuff but what I did see was done well, so I think that will work. Get some basic chords down, get into basic travis picking, and then expand on it by learning some classical right hand techniques and you can start working on that book. The problem with the book is the studies are not in the best order after about the first ten. For that, you can look up Scott Tennant's ordering of the 120 studies. They were placed in his book Pumping Nylon but you can find the groups if you look around when you're ready.

Elated to hear you're rocking the San Dimas. IYO, what is the best axe to get that archetypal 80s sound? I really want that kind of tone and my finalists as of now are the Kramer Nightswan, and the Kramer SM-1, although Carvins and Charvel are close contenders too (But is Carvin Kiesel nowadays?).

The Kramers sound gorgeous, but I want to test the Charvel, too. There's no music shop in my town which sells them, but there is a more specialist one a 300k trip north, which has rarer 80s models. So if I make the trip, I want to make the right choice.

What sort of style you playing on your San Dimas?
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