it is all in Quinn's philosophie: this is what we do and it is up to u to stop it! IF they converted some of those down people will be praising them because "they never let the foot off the gas"

The team need so many players that I would like to see KS bringing in some veterans for leadership and a bit "change of culture".

Still all potential. We obviously know reports of him being the standout in camp before his injury but the injury makes it difficult to evaluate. Pretty sure at this point Buckner has more snaps on defense than Armstead does. It will certainly be a challenge for the new staff to evaluate him at this point. Limited NFL tape and no chance to see him in action before the big decisions have to take place. I think the guy still has a bright future here but they could be looking at the draft board and wonder.

The other thing is scheme…most of the defensive coordinators that have been mentioned as candidates come from 4-3 teams for the most part. I think Fangio was the only guy with a mostly 3-4 background and he was a pipe dream. It's very possible the new staff decides they want to switch to a 4-3 now that certainly comes with its own set of questions as we have to figure out the DT position but the draft would certainly be easier with Solomon Thomas and Derek Barnett all in play now as prototypical 4-3 DEs and Allen as a DT.

The switch could also potentially make Armstead expendable. Now i think that would be a rash decision and could haunt us later but if the new coaches want to make the 4-3 switch and think there's not an ideal place for him there and he hasn't shown enough to make it worth keep they may try to move him. Our 2nd round pick and Armstead may be enough to get Jimmy Garoppolo from the Pats.

I get people blaming Shanahan for the passing calls but I think it's because he's an easy target who won't be there next year. Nobody wants to bag on Matt Ryan because he's a really nice dude but the biggest issue on that play was Matt eating the sack. Simply cannot happen there.

I guarantee you his brain was going crazy at the time trying to process what's worse taking the sack or throwing the ball away to stop the clock. I said it in the other threads, the guy had a perfect QB rating late in the game at one point if you can't trust him to make plays in the passing game then something is wrong. Matt Bryant is a good kicker but has he ever kicked a kick of that magnitude? You never know what would've happened if they just ran the ball and got stopped there.

Anyways…doesn't matter now. Hopefully it taught Shanahan a valuable lesson in that it's ok to trust your go to guys but sometimes it's better to play on the side of caution.

Interesting read here.

http://www.knbr.com/2017/02/08/john-...oject-will-be/

Not sure how much you can really take it seriously since even at this point there could be smoke n mirrors show.

The highlights

-In their scouting evaluations, the 49ers will create a separate competitiveness/toughness grade, to try and find players who love football the most.

- Building an offense similar to the Atlanta Falcons — predicated on speed — will be a priority.

- Finding the true answer at quarterback may extend into the 2018 offseason.

-He interviewed a defensive coordinator candidate at his house in San Diego, jibing with my theory that he will serve as way more of a big picture person for this front office as opposed to your typical GM.

I think the highlighted ones are the big ones.

I love hearing that we'll put a lot of evaluation value on competitiveness/toughness and identify guys who love this game. I think this is super important. Guys who love the game give it their all and want to get better and better. I think Tom Brady is the perfect example of this. Hard work and love of the game is a huge asset for a player.

The speed thing on offense certainly seems to buy Torrey Smith more value but who knows. It's one thing outside of him we don't really have much of.

Also hearing him say we may not address QB til 2018 is actually good to hear. I'd rather they not panic and grab someone they don't think that highly of and wait. Obviously it doesn't totally disqualify them from drafting QB with #2 and could be a total smoke screen but still good to hear they're throwing it out there.

i'm excited to see how this offseason plays out.

He also said they were going to explore trades and free agency. What it sounds like to me is they aren't going to hold themselves to finding a franchise QB this year. I think they will offer a trade for Jimmy G but will not overpay and they will not reach for a QB in the draft if they don't feel one is worth it.

So really no one knows whats going to happen!!!

Saw where the Falcons RB coach is coming over. Wonder what that means for Rathman?

it is hard to know if the sack was on him or the running back that pretty much moved aside as HT was closing in…

I'm not gonna lie - Watching the videos today of Shanahan and Lynch doing the facilities tour had me fired up.

Interesting insight from Lynch regarding how he views a QB. He sighted Paxton Lynch as his example of a talented QB that needed a year of investment to develop in a pro style offense. I'd be fine with this strategy if we weren't so talent poor… We clearly need players that can contribute.

You mean getting the DP?

Garropolo is under contract and it'll take a first rounder plus a mid rounder, Redskins are franchising Cousins, so that'll take two first rounders if they even want to deal him.

Anyone think Mahomes could fit Shanahans offense? Ive only watched him play twice, but his arm is impressive and the ball is out super quick.

Cousins is out. Washington isn't letting him walk away.

Garoppolo is in play imo. Question is more how bad do other teams want him imo. I don't think we'd put #2 on the table. At most I think we'd swap #2 for #32 and Jimmy. In some ways I'd actually prefer that move because you have a chance to not only get a young, talented and NFL seasoned QB but you in essence don't lose additional picks and still have a chance to grab a starter at #32.

So I don't cheap…using cbs prospect rankings we could get Jimmy Garoppolo, Haason Reddick and Forrest Lamp in the first 2 rounds essentially with that move and really improve the team.

However that's somewhat of a pipe dream. I think Cleveland is in the drivers seat with all their draft capital and they could pull the trigger giving up #12 all together since everyone knows how desperate they are.

As far as the draft I actually like Trubisky and Watson for different reasons. I think the biggest question with both is how they process Shanahan's offense so I was glad to hear from what Lynch was saying that it sounds like they're not going to rush this. I definitely think if we drafted either of those guys best thing to do is sit them this season and let them learn the offense and work on their game.

Trubisky i like more for his accuracy, thicker build and i think he's more NFL ready despite less experience just because he did more NFL reads than Watson with Clemson cutting his reads in half by design. But I LOVE Watson's clutch ability. There's no question this kid steps up in big games and you cannot teach that.


I'd say my order of prefrence for addressing QB is

1. Jimmy
2. Nate Peterman in the 3rd round and possibly 1st round QB in 2018 if he doesn't show he's legit out the gate. Hell i wouldn't be opposed double dipping on QBs in the first if they felt the guy next year was a rare prospect available.
3. Mitch/Watson at #2 I'll tell you who i prefer later in the process. Leaning towards Mitch now.

I know a ton of people like Mahomes and I'm a fan but I feel like he'd have to be taken in the 2nd round and I think he's too big a gamble there.

He definitely has the physical abilities but I have this feeling like he's another college QB. So many of these guys are made for college and just can't handle the pros. He's got the arm, he's got the legs but that TT offense has made so many guys look great who did chit in the NFL. I feel like he's somewhere between Russell Wilson and ****n Kaepernick and the later part scares me. I'd rather take a guy like Peterman who doesn't have the same physical tools but has the pro style experience and shows better pocket presence and ability as a passer despite the arm shortcomings.

If we do swap first round picks with the Pats for Jimmy I'd like us to do

32. Charles Harris or Tim Williams
34. Haason Reddick or Jarrad Davis
65. JuJu Smith-Schuster

And then go hard for Jonathan Hankins or Brandon Williams in free agency. Those 2 picks in the draft along with a NT in free agency will do wonders for our defense.

HUNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Not a Tim Williams fan but would be very happy with Harris, Reddick and JuJu along with Hankins or Williams(would prefer williams)

I'm not a huge SS fan though, not sure he'd slide to the 3rd either. I'd rather grab Zay Jones in the 3rd and Travin Dural on day 3.

I think we knew he was going to call his own plays anyways but I would rather he hire one but it could just be a one year deal til he finds someone worth hiring. We'll see how it goes. May be a bit too much on his plate but he knows best.

i was thinking that if we trade back in the 1st, i'd be pretty happy with a Mike Williams pick. most WR's take a couple years to come into their own anyways.

In my mind i'm looking to have everyone start to peak in year 3 so i think we try to load up on potential these next 2 and coach em up.

I really, really would love for us to trade down and get Solomon Thomas. i don't give a fuk that he's a man without a position. The dude can flat out play.

I like Mike Williams but I feel like we have way too many holes to address WR in the first round with a top 10 pick. Besides can you imagine all the Matt Millen comparisons Lynch will get then if he drafts a WR named Mike Williams in the top 10 lol?

Honestly I think Corey Davis could prove to be the better receiver as time goes on but I think both won't need 3 years to find their groove. Williams especially because his game is mostly size. Dude has crazy ups and has a huge target area so he should be able to do some good things early on.

There are two WRs i really like in this class who are becoming my Bruce Ellingtons of this group

Zay Jones and Travin Dural. Zay helped himself big time at the senior bowl so I think he goes 2nd/3rd round. But for the life of me i don't understand why Dural is rated so low on most draft sites. LSU is clearly death for most WR prospects and injuries didn't help him shine on top of it but I think, especially if the draft spot predictions of him going late in the draft are correct then he's a perfect gamble at the position on day 3. I think he's got some real ability and with coaching up on his routes he could be a gem.

since when bb changed his view on high draft picks???

it will take multiple second/third rounders instead of a first round pick. jmho

lol fine with me but i'm sure Bill would take a top 5 pick if it was presented to him. Could always try to trade down and accumulate more.

Top 10 pick could really give the Pats something special. Jonathan Allen, Solomon Thomas, Marshon Lattimore, Malik Hooker, Mike Wiliams would all be terrific additions to them.

I see your point but my philosophy is to get the QB first and then go get your WR. Great QBs make WRs look good and not the other way around.

But then again great QBs are very hard to come by and in some drafts you just need to take BPA.

I think i like Trubisky and Watson more than it sounds like most people do but I also can't help but look ahead to the potential studly QB class that could be there next year.

Let's be honest…we'll probably be picking top 10 if not top 5 again.

Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
Luke Falk
Josh Allen
Jake Browning
Mason Rudolph


Darnold, Rosen and Allen could all be legit #1 type prospects if they have good seasons and the other guys are legit options as well.

We getting new equipment guy!

Championship here we come!

i agree that getting a QB first would be the way to go, i just don't think the options this year are very good. Including trading for a JimmyG.

I'd be pretty happy with a veteran stop gap and a drafted guy to develop and see how next year looks. i really don't see us contending for another 3 years so I want to see some potential talent get developed and see how Shanny installs his offense and how him and Lynch establish a winning culture.

And a new strength crew.

Darnold would be a redshirt soph next year which means he can declare after next season. No guarantee he will but if he has another impressive season it would be stupid not to as he'd likely be the #1 guy or at least in the hunt with Rosen(who is also an under classman)

As for the Shanahan thing it's hindsight, simple as that. They've been aggressive all season and that's what got them to the SB. People want to jump on him now but that was more on Ryan for eating the sack. Should be smarter than that given the situation.

Didn't want to make a thread but I know there's serious football fans ITT.


Amazing NFL Films Turning Point on the Super Bowl. Players mic'd up, on field access and play breakdowns. Would watch again. 40 minutes long.


https://youtu.be/FyLPJ5JWZYk

Reminded me of when the Niners played them a few years back and had a 31-3 lead, Pats came back. That's why I didn't feel it was completely over, difference was that the Niners defense was good enough to stop Brady late in that game.

Victor Cruiz has been released…. It would be nice to add another Vet, but I am not sure he would be worth the money given injuries and things.

another example but the other way around: u ran the ball all season (beast mode) and then second and goal and u throw the ball… the rest was history.

who is going to tell u that they are going to score 28 if they are not that aggressive? same on defensive; who is going to tell u that they are going to stop NE if they play more zone?

He enjoyed a lot of free money but its hard to compete with OBJ and younger guys on that team. Then there's also Eli who can't throw worth a **** 8/10 games. I wouldn't mind getting him for cheap. He still has the speed and agility.

Saw that, it was great. Love how they show some plays by moving the receiver/defenders with their routes one by one then running the full play. Wonder if teams have the tech to break things down like that. Edelman mic'd up was hilarious. The exchange he and Poole had was great.

I think Cruz is done and while we can use some good leadership I'm not sure Cruz or any receiver for the most part is a good guy for that. Plus he's more of a slot guy.

Shanahan is an easy target because he's gone. Nobody wants to bag on Matt Ryan because he's a good guy but he should get blame on that. Tom Brady doesn't eat that sack no fuking way. Joe Montana doesn't eat that sack. I'm sure his brain was going a mile a minute there trying to figure out what's worse - eating the sack or throwing the ball away.

Yes they could've ran the ball 3 times and kicked the FG. We have no idea what would've happened if they did that. People are speculating that the FG would've been good and the Pats wouldn't have enough time to score 11 points to tie. What would've happened if the FG was no good or worse blocked and returned? Sure Matt Bryant is a very good kicker but this is the SB. Different ball game.

I just have to laugh at the people who want to say it's just as bad as the Wilson throw playcall. Not even close.