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01-14-2023, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
How many people are they seriously expecting to comply with this? lol
It's pretty obvious they want people to destroy the braces or the short barrels.

There aren't enough jail cells and there aren't enough agents to process millions of applications.
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01-14-2023, 01:07 PM
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It's pretty obvious they want people to destroy them.

There aren't enough jail cells and there aren't enough agents to process millions of applications.
Or turn them in so the ATF gets all these nice new toys free of charge. Hmm wonder what they would do with all of those firearms.
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01-14-2023, 01:10 PM
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I may not have all the facts, but at first glance this to me is a sneaky way of introducing a database of gun owners.
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01-14-2023, 01:17 PM
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How many people are they seriously expecting to comply with this? lol
They have radicalize Mr. Roger's.
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01-14-2023, 01:21 PM
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I haven't read every word of these documents, but they aren't exactly saying "anyone who wants a free SBR stamp can have one for the next 120 days" but what they are saying is "anyone who wants to keep their braced firearm can register it for free for the next 120 days".

Big difference.

Again I could be wrong. Not an expert.
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01-14-2023, 02:54 PM
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It almost seems that it's a stamp for a brace, not necessarily a stock.

No where does it say that once you register you can now throw a stock on if you want.
Uhhh they’re LITERALLY saying there’s zero difference between the brace and the stock - why would you not be able to put a stock on it after the stamp?

THE STAMP WILL BE FOR THE SERIALIZED FIREARM, NOT THE FKING BRACE. You’re literally the only person I’ve seen who has managed to interpret it that way.
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01-14-2023, 04:25 PM
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I'm sorry to hear you have no clue whatsoever what the war for independence started over.

Please, I urge you, attend an Appleseed event and learn a thing or five.

Your ignorance is embarrassing honestly next thing you know you're going to ask what trigger reset is
Oversimplifying the issue to prove a point.

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01-14-2023, 04:29 PM
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Bc buying pistols. In cash (even not in cash). And registering it. As a pistol….Is the same list as an SBR, silencer etc. mmmk

I don’t know who’s stupid enough to post their firearms on ******** (couldn’t be me)…but thinking you’re on some bad boy list as anon Johnnybrahbicepgymcel on bb.com bc he/she/it posts about guns is lolzy.
Seriously overestimating the competence of our federal government.
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01-14-2023, 04:31 PM
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Uhhh they’re LITERALLY saying there’s zero difference between the brace and the stock - why would you not be able to put a stock on it after the stamp?

THE STAMP WILL BE FOR THE SERIALIZED FIREARM, NOT THE FKING BRACE. You’re literally the only person I’ve seen who has managed to interpret it that way.
Why is this upsetting you so much lol. It was widely speculated that the free stamp only allows you to use the brace it originally came with to prevent people from getting tons of free stamps.

The leaked application required submitting a picture. What Brozef is saying is 100% accurate and you look like a retard arguing srs
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01-14-2023, 04:37 PM
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Bc buying pistols. In cash (even not in cash). And registering it. As a pistol….Is the same list as an SBR, silencer etc. mmmk

I don’t know who’s stupid enough to post their firearms on ******** (couldn’t be me)…but thinking you’re on some bad boy list as anon Johnnybrahbicepgymcel on bb.com bc he/she/it posts about guns is lolzy.
By posting this you are already on a list.

But if you exclusively bought every gun face to face privately for cash without showing ID, if you had avoided ever posted about it online, or ever taking pictures of them, or attaching your name to an ammo or magazine purchase, never joined a range, never had your phone or car report your location as visiting a range…you'd still probably be on a list
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01-14-2023, 04:38 PM
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Uhhh they’re LITERALLY saying there’s zero difference between the brace and the stock - why would you not be able to put a stock on it after the stamp?

THE STAMP WILL BE FOR THE SERIALIZED FIREARM, NOT THE FKING BRACE. You’re literally the only person I’ve seen who has managed to interpret it that way.

What they are saying: "anyone with a braced pistol can register it for free for the next 120 days."

What they are NOT saying: "free SBR stamps for anyone for the next 120 days"


Forget about the serializing, obviously they're going to use the serial number on the gun.
I'm simply speculating. It seems as if they may have made a different category on the Form 1 eForm application. I could be wrong about it all. But I don't think it safe to assume they're handing out SBR stamps for nothing to everyone who wants one.

And it's definitely not worth getting mad at me over this lol
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01-14-2023, 04:41 PM
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Uhhh they’re LITERALLY saying there’s zero difference between the brace and the stock - why would you not be able to put a stock on it after the stamp?

THE STAMP WILL BE FOR THE SERIALIZED FIREARM, NOT THE FKING BRACE. You’re literally the only person I’ve seen who has managed to interpret it that way.
So this does not indicate that the brace can be registered as a firearm?



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01-14-2023, 04:41 PM
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By posting this you are already on a list.

But if you exclusively bought every gun face to face privately for cash without showing ID, if you had avoided ever posted about it online, or ever taking pictures of them, or attaching your name to an ammo or magazine purchase, never joined a range, never had your phone or car report your location as visiting a range…you'd still probably be on a list
Our government is worthless zero chance you’re on a list because you posted on a gun forum. They don’t have resources like that. I deal with the feds on a regular basis, they are completely and utterly incompetent 99% of the time unless they decide to make an example of you for some reason, then you fuked

At best they could contract Amazon or google for data mining but the list would be so large it would be useless.

When ATF goes after people it’s because they raided a few manufacturers and got their customer lists. Did this for the 80% Glock build kits, homemade cans and forced reset triggers. They aren’t scouring the fukin misc looking at forum posts of people mentioning items
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01-14-2023, 04:42 PM
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01-14-2023, 04:51 PM
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Not saying anyone should do anything. My opinion is don’t comply.

Just questioning taking that free stamp. Seems like a bad idea to me and it’s terrible for gun rights in general. Terrible precedent for gun owners to accept this in anyway shape or form.

Don’t even care about braces tbh, it’s about the next thing and then the next thing after that. They aren’t stopping at braces.
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01-14-2023, 04:59 PM
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Not saying anyone should do anything. My opinion is don’t comply.

Just questioning taking that free stamp. Seems like a bad idea to me and it’s terrible for gun rights in general. Terrible precedent for gun owners to accept this in anyway shape or form.

Don’t even care about braces tbh, it’s about the next thing and then the next thing after that. They aren’t stopping at braces.
This.

Sit tight boys, this ruling is gonna get sued to oblivion before the first 30 days pass.
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01-14-2023, 05:09 PM
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They are considering braces the same as stocks. So if you submit paperwork for your pistol to become an SBR, you can put a stock, brace, or fleshlight on it and it'll still be an SBR. The part about pistol buffers on AR's is a contradiction though. It is required to cycle the gun but they are also saying it can be shouldered?

I need to read deeper but I think the only things that can stay a pistol would be AK pistols with a flat rear trunion and some of the PCC's that have no attachment or buffer tube behind the grip
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The part about pistol buffers on AR's is a contradiction though. It is required to cycle the gun but they are also saying it can be shouldered?
Yes. One sentence says if it's required to be there for the gun to function, it's ok. Another sentence says if it can be shouldered, it's not ok and must be removed.
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01-14-2023, 05:43 PM
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Afraid you missed this.

Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Uhhh they’re LITERALLY saying there’s zero difference between the brace and the stock - why would you not be able to put a stock on it after the stamp?

THE STAMP WILL BE FOR THE SERIALIZED FIREARM, NOT THE FKING BRACE. You’re literally the only person I’ve seen who has managed to interpret it that way.
So this does not indicate that the brace can be registered as a firearm?



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01-14-2023, 05:47 PM
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"Permanently remove or alter the "stabilizing brace" so that it cannot be reattached and thereby removing it from regulation as a "firearm" under the NFA"
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01-14-2023, 05:54 PM
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[b{Our government is worthless zero chance you’re on a list because you posted on a gun forum. They don’t have resources like that. I deal with the feds on a regular basis, they are completely and utterly incompetent 99% of the time unless they decide to make an example of you for some reason, then you fuked

At best they could contract Amazon or google for data mining but the list would be so large it would be useless.

When ATF goes after people it’s because they raided a few manufacturers and got their customer lists. Did this for the 80% Glock build kits, homemade cans and forced reset triggers. They aren’t scouring the fukin misc looking at forum posts of people mentioning items
Have you seriously not heard of how many busts started on Calguns?

The issue here is that everyone registering isn't just registering an SBR. They are registering a weapon that was a loophole purchase. The odds of punitive door knocks is high. Again, there's a long history of this in CA and other blue states
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01-14-2023, 06:09 PM
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Not saying anyone should do anything. My opinion is don’t comply.

Just questioning taking that free stamp. Seems like a bad idea to me and it’s terrible for gun rights in general. Terrible precedent for gun owners to accept this in anyway shape or form.

Don’t even care about braces tbh, it’s about the next thing and then the next thing after that. They aren’t stopping at braces.
If there is any path forward that allows you to legally continue to own an operable firearm without a stamp, I would say that's definitely the best route.
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01-14-2023, 08:19 PM
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By posting this you are already on a list.

But if you exclusively bought every gun face to face privately for cash without showing ID, if you had avoided ever posted about it online, or ever taking pictures of them, or attaching your name to an ammo or magazine purchase, never joined a range, never had your phone or car report your location as visiting a range…you'd still probably be on a list
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Our government…. don’t have resources like that. I deal with the feds on a regular basis…

They aren’t scouring the fukin misc looking at forum posts of people mentioning items
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Have you seriously not heard of how many busts started on Calguns?

The issue here is that everyone registering isn't just registering an SBR. They are registering a weapon that was a loophole purchase. The odds of punitive door knocks is high. Again, there's a long history of this in CA and other blue states
Not entirely. ATF has said many times over how many years that a braced pistol is not considered a SBR. And for that reason people could buy them and register as a pistol. Only now they want to change their tune. That’s not how it works. Ordering the biggest tub of popcorn I can find bc this chit (ATF lawsuits) is gonna be good to watch.
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Not entirely. ATF has said many times over how many years that a braced pistol is not considered a SBR. And for that reason people could buy them and register as a pistol. Only now they want to change their tune. That’s not how it works. Ordering the biggest tub of popcorn I can find bc this chit (ATF lawsuits) is gonna be good to watch.
I think the whole situation is BS, don't get me wrong. I also think the courts will knock this down hard, but I don't know how long that will take. But here is the bigger picture for me:

1. What is their motivation for the rule? To stop people from owning <16" barrel weapons.

2. Would writing a rule just to give out 40 million free SBR tax stamps help this cause? No- it would actually do the opposite and make those weapons fully legal SBR's rather than being in a grey area.

3. So do we really expect they are just going to offer all those free tax stamps with no other plan or intent?

That feels like a giant honeypot. I'd much rather reconfigure my weapon and make it 16" than be on the registry of former AR pistol loophole participants.
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I'm not saying anything about serializing anything. And I could be completely wrong about this.

Have you ever done a Form 1 for an SBR? There could simply be a selection in a drop down for a stabilizing brace.

The verbage is unclear.




It just says it needs to be registered. It doesn't say it needs to be registered as an SBR.
"Such stabilizing braces are designed to conform to the arm and not as a buttstock. However, if the firearm with the “stabilizing brace” is a short-barreled rifle,"

but like sba3 is designed to conform to arm, not as a buttstock. Argue that all you want but it's the intent of design, not how it CAN be (mis)used. (some other braces I'd agree are intended as stocks)
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an 11.5" without a stock or brace is a pistol NOT a (short-barreled) rifle.

In conclusion, sba3 on 11.5 incher is not subject to this rule.

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And the wildest part of the rule is supposedly a bare receiver extension isn't allowed either since it has a flat surface area that can be put against the shoulder.
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