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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
You can also try doing more sets to 20-25-30/failure to quickly increase your chest capacity.
So much of that post was trash but this part needs to be highlighted as exactly what NOT to do when you're training for 1RMs. If you're doing more than 10 reps, you're doing cardio. I do agree that full ROM is important.
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Originally Posted By AshWar
Did a pretty long snowshoeing overnight hike yesterday, and was sore everywhere. Warmups felt heavy today, so did 3 sets of 260x3. This is the last set. This was followed by 245x2x3, and 225x2x5

Incline pressing: 185x3x5
Cable flies
Tricep pushdowns, 4x10

This is 275 from a couple months ago:
Your range of motion is way too short. You need to come all the way down and all the way up for every rep possible. Every muscle is linked in circuit, and for every point of the trajectory in any exertion, a different portion of the muscle handles the dynamic exertion (the literal stretching out or pulling in) of that rep. When you skip portions of the trajectory, those portions of the fibers get skipped, and receive no activation from dynamic exertion. They simply shift immediately to stabilizers, or remain stabilizers throughout the entire set.

To increase your overall strength, you want to use the fullest range of motion possible (extended even if possible), to most fully activate all the muscle fibers in the entire circuit of the muscle from end to end. Pausing in isotension is another advanced technique.

And if you want to know a super advanced technique for the bench, try putting some light weight on the bench. Lift it off the bar, come down all the way controlled to the nipple line, pause for a second, then come all the way back up to full extension. Now from full extension, extend the weight up higher as far as you can reach, as though you're trying to put the weight through the ceiling. Hold it there tempering your strength in isotension. Come back down to full extension, pause for a moment, and repeat the movement from there.

This technique isolates the connective portion of the pectoral muscle that connects to the front deltoid. You might feel the front deltoid being stressed, but it's doing so in unison with that connective portion from the chest. This is a great technique for helping to bring your chest development full circle. You can do it with dumbbells too, adding that apex extension forward to controlled dumbbell flys or presses.

You can also try doing more sets to 20-25-30/failure to quickly increase your chest capacity.
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Originally Posted By CuttingFields
So much of that post was trash but this part needs to be highlighted as exactly what NOT to do when you're training for 1RMs. If you're doing more than 10 reps, you're doing cardio. I do agree that full ROM is important.
How is what I said trash? Can you explain in scientific detail? Even if there is no other documentation of it anywhere else in the world, I have enough theoretical understanding with physics and biology that it should make sense to me if it's true.

For the record, more than 10 reps isn't "doing cardio".

You can get a cardio benefit from this, but the context you're presenting suggests there's no muscle building benefit in doing high rep sets, which simply could never be proven true outside of favorable conditions. It also matters how much you're controlling the weight. Putting a strict control over the momentum of the weight is going to dramatically isolate each specific fiber, as the activation time on each fiber is dramatically increased through the extended duration to complete each rep. You do 20 reps like this and there might not be much of any cardio benefit involved, but the massive activation time on the fibers is going to peak microdamage on the muscles.

Strength building is all about isolation, microdamage, and activation time. If a burst rep, your fibers are getting literally a fraction of a second in activation time. They have some 30 seconds to 300 seconds of life in them. You'll never breach the depth of those fibers successfully with just a fraction of a second. If you're doing a compound movement, that means the activation is also split across various other muscles, bringing the overall activation time down further. Akin to this, one needs to utilize advanced technique to peak the activation time each tiny fiber receives to prime microdamage stimulation. This involves working stricter with the weight, pausing in isotension at a climactic point of the movement, and doing super-giant sets that work into higher rep ranges.

More work, more time, more activation, more microdamage. It's very simple physics.
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
How is what I said trash? Can you explain in scientific detail? Even if there is no other documentation of it anywhere else in the world, I have enough theoretical understanding with physics and biology that it should make sense to me if it's true.

For the record, more than 10 reps isn't "doing cardio".
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant
lmao

Perfect example of someone that spends too much time reading and zero time lifting

Didn't read a single word of those essays btw
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant
Fak U say? Cheeky kent ya, i'll fakin fak ya, ya lil sloot
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Originally Posted By AshWar
Week 7 session 1:

135x5, 185x4, 225x3, 255x1, 280x1, 290x3, 245x7,6,5,5

Elbow tendinitis was flaring up a bit after last night’s squat session, so put my knee sleeves on.. was pretty loose, but just mentally made me feel more safe

Idk if I have 3 plates next week, maybe I can run this entire cycle again with cgbp etc and use a much closer grip this time



a lot of elbow tendonitis from squatting comes from pushing back into the bar. You should be pulling the bar into your body. Some people find the cue of trying to wrap the bar around you helpful.

good luck with the max. I think when i first hit 315 i did 285x3 the week before
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Originally Posted By theend2
a lot of elbow tendonitis from squatting comes from pushing back into the bar. You should be pulling the bar into your body. Some people find the cue of trying to wrap the bar around you helpful.
So much this. Great advice man. Repped
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Originally Posted By arn710
lmao

Perfect example of someone that spends too much time reading and zero time lifting

Didn't read a single word of those essays btw
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
negged fuk off, ur irritating everywhere i see u srs
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Originally Posted By arn710
Killiing it Ash!
Thanks arn!
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lets go ashy lets go boom boom
Wooooo you're back bro! Thought you were gone for good
Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant
You gonna get it in May fo sho homeboi
Last monday i put 225 on bench first time after 10months since injuries etc, did 2 sets for 10 too afraid to put anything more than that such is life
ty man, I'm gonna get 315 this Friday
Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Your range of motion is way too short. You need to come all the way down and all the way up for every rep possible. .
Brah I'm touching my chest and locking out, how tf can I increase my range of motion any further?
Originally Posted By theend2
a lot of elbow tendonitis from squatting comes from pushing back into the bar. You should be pulling the bar into your body. Some people find the cue of trying to wrap the bar around you helpful.

good luck with the max. I think when i first hit 315 i did 285x3 the week before
Thanks man, I think I def push the bar up with my arms. Will try what you said
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Originally Posted By Ralys
negged fuk off, ur irritating everywhere i see u srs
fu*king Garbage Pale Kids, lol

You privileged brats can't be helped possibly.
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
fu*king Garbage Pale Kids, lol

You privileged brats can't be helped possibly.
i thought you are a fat countrygirl based on avi, your opinion is irelevant stop posting.
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
How is what I said trash? Can you explain in scientific detail? Even if there is no other documentation of it anywhere else in the world, I have enough theoretical understanding with physics and biology that it should make sense to me if it's true.

For the record, more than 10 reps isn't "doing cardio".

You can get a cardio benefit from this, but the context you're presenting suggests there's no muscle building benefit in doing high rep sets, which simply could never be proven true outside of favorable conditions. It also matters how much you're controlling the weight. Putting a strict control over the momentum of the weight is going to dramatically isolate each specific fiber, as the activation time on each fiber is dramatically increased through the extended duration to complete each rep. You do 20 reps like this and there might not be much of any cardio benefit involved, but the massive activation time on the fibers is going to peak microdamage on the muscles.

Strength building is all about isolation, microdamage, and activation time. If a burst rep, your fibers are getting literally a fraction of a second in activation time. They have some 30 seconds to 300 seconds of life in them. You'll never breach the depth of those fibers successfully with just a fraction of a second. If you're doing a compound movement, that means the activation is also split across various other muscles, bringing the overall activation time down further. Akin to this, one needs to utilize advanced technique to peak the activation time each tiny fiber receives to prime microdamage stimulation. This involves working stricter with the weight, pausing in isotension at a climactic point of the movement, and doing super-giant sets that work into higher rep ranges.

More work, more time, more activation, more microdamage. It's very simple physics.
No the fuk it isn't.
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Originally Posted By SerbianSickKant
i thought you are a fat countrygirl based on avi, your opinion is irelevant stop posting.
Exactly my point. Disrespectful narcissist with a Know-it-All Complex. That's when you blindly autonomously assert yourself as an authority over others, without acknowledging the truth depth or status of your character amongst the world; and also without the time, experience, or champion of contest (or conquest) that serves as proof of your legitimacy or expertise.

You're not a sick kant dude, you're deluded. You're a kiddie, you need to sober up.
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Exactly my point. Disrespectful narcissist with a Know-it-All Complex. That's when you blindly autonomously assert yourself as an authority over others, without acknowledging the truth depth or status of your character amongst the world; and also without the time, experience, or champion of contest (or conquest) that serves as proof of your legitimacy or expertise.

You're not a sick kant dude, you're deluded. You're a kiddie, you need to sober up.
You are in a thread where a person is trying to reach a specific strength training goal and you are prescribing methods used by exactly zero competitive power lifters.

Shockingly you are now getting feedback from your chitty advice.

Shut your whore mouth, observe, and maybe learn something.
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i'm still not sure if lostangel is a biomechanics genius who rails a line of addy before hopping on the misc or a nonlifter who just loves to try and sound smart
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
and also without the time, experience, or champion of contest (or conquest) that serves as proof of your legitimacy or expertise.
Post yours please
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Originally Posted By arn710
Post yours please
Go back and read all those explanations I gave. You think those aren't worth anything?

If you'd like to refute them, try explaining how they're wrong in scientific detail like I said. I won't even hold it against you if there's no other reference of it anywhere else in the world. So long as it sounds legit by the most simplistic, theoretical understanding of biology and physics, it should make sense to me.

If you can't understand the explanations I gave this way, then maybe you need to question the integrity of your scientific understanding. It's possibly that underwhelming‒lacking even the most simplistic theoretical understanding to comprehend the dynamics of what was presented.

I'm trying to have a flame war, I just wanted to help the OP if I could. My methods are tried and true. Not asking anything of the OP (or anyone else) except to give them a fair chance and see for himself. Everybody deserves a fair chance.

As for the professional mainstream, if you seriously think the typical Molochian Athlete Big Sport, Big Supp millionaire cares for anyone else to achieve an equal (or greater) status than they have achieved, then you're totally missing out on the concept of desperation in the world. Chances are‒they probably don't. People tend to be way too broke on the inside. They need that Social Psychological Asset (of status, prowess, potential). It provides to them social domain amongst the big, scary social world of their peers (and their acceptance, denial, or authority among them). Given this fact, those professionals aren't likely going to be sharing their trade secrets of training with just anyone.

I'm not like that though‒I don't have anything to lose. I only have something to gain, as I find spiritual wealth in helping others escape from hopeless situations like this.
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Go back and read all those explanations I gave. You think those aren't worth anything?

If you'd like to refute them, try explaining how they're wrong in scientific detail like I said. I won't even hold it against you if there's no other reference of it anywhere else in the world. So long as it sounds legit by the most simplistic, theoretical understanding of biology and physics, it should make sense to me.

If you can't understand the explanations I gave this way, then maybe you need to question the integrity of your scientific understanding. It's possibly that underwhelming‒lacking even the most simplistic theoretical understanding to comprehend the dynamics of what was presented.

I'm trying to have a flame war, I just wanted to help the OP if I could. My methods are tried and true. Not asking anything of the OP (or anyone else) except to give them a fair chance and see for himself. Everybody deserves a fair chance.

As for the professional mainstream, if you seriously think the typical Molochian Athlete Big Sport, Big Supp millionaire cares for anyone else to achieve an equal (or greater) status than they have achieved, then you're totally missing out on the concept of desperation in the world. Chances are‒they probably don't. People tend to be way too broke on the inside. They need that Social Psychological Asset (of status, prowess, potential). It provides to them social domain amongst the big, scary social world of their peers (and their acceptance, denial, or authority among them). Given this fact, those professionals aren't likely going to be sharing their trade secrets of training with just anyone.

I'm not like that though‒I don't have anything to lose. I only have something to gain, as I find spiritual wealth in helping others escape from hopeless situations like this.
How high are you right now?
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Go back and read all those explanations I gave. You think those aren't worth anything?

If you'd like to refute them, try explaining how they're wrong in scientific detail like I said. I won't even hold it against you if there's no other reference of it anywhere else in the world. So long as it sounds legit by the most simplistic, theoretical understanding of biology and physics, it should make sense to me.

If you can't understand the explanations I gave this way, then maybe you need to question the integrity of your scientific understanding. It's possibly that underwhelming‒lacking even the most simplistic theoretical understanding to comprehend the dynamics of what was presented.

I'm trying to have a flame war, I just wanted to help the OP if I could. My methods are tried and true. Not asking anything of the OP (or anyone else) except to give them a fair chance and see for himself. Everybody deserves a fair chance.

As for the professional mainstream, if you seriously think the typical Molochian Athlete Big Sport, Big Supp millionaire cares for anyone else to achieve an equal (or greater) status than they have achieved, then you're totally missing out on the concept of desperation in the world. Chances are‒they probably don't. People tend to be way too broke on the inside. They need that Social Psychological Asset (of status, prowess, potential). It provides to them social domain amongst the big, scary social world of their peers (and their acceptance, denial, or authority among them). Given this fact, those professionals aren't likely going to be sharing their trade secrets of training with just anyone.

I'm not like that though‒I don't have anything to lose. I only have something to gain, as I find spiritual wealth in helping others escape from hopeless situations like this.



appreciate the help man but wtf lol
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Go back and read all those explanations I gave. You think those aren't worth anything?

If you'd like to refute them, try explaining how they're wrong in scientific detail like I said. I won't even hold it against you if there's no other reference of it anywhere else in the world. So long as it sounds legit by the most simplistic, theoretical understanding of biology and physics, it should make sense to me.

If you can't understand the explanations I gave this way, then maybe you need to question the integrity of your scientific understanding. It's possibly that underwhelming‒lacking even the most simplistic theoretical understanding to comprehend the dynamics of what was presented.

I'm trying to have a flame war, I just wanted to help the OP if I could. My methods are tried and true. Not asking anything of the OP (or anyone else) except to give them a fair chance and see for himself. Everybody deserves a fair chance.

As for the professional mainstream, if you seriously think the typical Molochian Athlete Big Sport, Big Supp millionaire cares for anyone else to achieve an equal (or greater) status than they have achieved, then you're totally missing out on the concept of desperation in the world. Chances are‒they probably don't. People tend to be way too broke on the inside. They need that Social Psychological Asset (of status, prowess, potential). It provides to them social domain amongst the big, scary social world of their peers (and their acceptance, denial, or authority among them). Given this fact, those professionals aren't likely going to be sharing their trade secrets of training with just anyone.

I'm not like that though‒I don't have anything to lose. I only have something to gain, as I find spiritual wealth in helping others escape from hopeless situations like this.
Your posts didn't reference ANY research papers.

It is literally just you vomiting out bro-science that is not represented by ANY competitive power lifter. Your closest representatives are professional xfitters. Except that they use olympic programming to gain strength first and then transition to endurance.

If you wanted to be even half persuasive you could have tried to half haphazardly tie time under tension producing enhanced muscle growth with enhanced muscle mass producing more force. It wouldn't have been accurate, but at least you could justify it.

As is you have the physique of a farm girl that stacks hay bales all day and don't seem to have any notable strength abilities. You can't even throw up bro-science by telling OP how you got there because you haven't...
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Go back and read all those explanations I gave. You think those aren't worth anything?

If you'd like to refute them, try explaining how they're wrong in scientific detail like I said. I won't even hold it against you if there's no other reference of it anywhere else in the world. So long as it sounds legit by the most simplistic, theoretical understanding of biology and physics, it should make sense to me.

If you can't understand the explanations I gave this way, then maybe you need to question the integrity of your scientific understanding. It's possibly that underwhelming‒lacking even the most simplistic theoretical understanding to comprehend the dynamics of what was presented.

I'm trying to have a flame war, I just wanted to help the OP if I could. My methods are tried and true. Not asking anything of the OP (or anyone else) except to give them a fair chance and see for himself. Everybody deserves a fair chance.

As for the professional mainstream, if you seriously think the typical Molochian Athlete Big Sport, Big Supp millionaire cares for anyone else to achieve an equal (or greater) status than they have achieved, then you're totally missing out on the concept of desperation in the world. Chances are‒they probably don't. People tend to be way too broke on the inside. They need that Social Psychological Asset (of status, prowess, potential). It provides to them social domain amongst the big, scary social world of their peers (and their acceptance, denial, or authority among them). Given this fact, those professionals aren't likely going to be sharing their trade secrets of training with just anyone.

I'm not like that though‒I don't have anything to lose. I only have something to gain, as I find spiritual wealth in helping others escape from hopeless situations like this.
I don't have the time or energy to sit around refuting your dissertations. I've proven time and time again on this board that I walk the walk and talk the talk. You're throwing around a bunch of hypothetical, textbook bullchit in order to make yourself appear smart. The problem is that the real lifters here can and have seen right through your fluff posting.

I have no problem engaging in an intelligent, scientific discussion but I'm not about to engage in that with someone that has no practical knowledge.

Either post some kind of proof that you have practical experience or fuk off
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Originally Posted By Austanian
Your posts didn't reference ANY research papers.
Research is controlled by Big Lab. And in athletics, usually in collaboration with Big Supp.

It can literally mean nothing. It's a business first to them, and they all have big college bills to pay off before they can live it big in the California hills. It's no different than trusting a mechanic. You should have the same skepticism with Big Lab as you would them.

The best way is to always do it yourself you can. Close your eyes and go by heart. If it feels like your creatine isn't working anymore, question why. Find the relativity. You burned it all up with high intensity activity‒time to stop and reload. We can't always do the work ourselves, but you need to realize that you might be all you've got when it comes to a lot of things in life. There might not be anyone to bail you out. And there might even be people trying to put you in the hole to 1-up themselves. Safety first.
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Originally Posted By xLostxAngelx
Research is controlled by Big Lab. And in athletics, usually in collaboration with Big Supp.

It can literally mean nothing. It's a business first to them, and they all have big college bills to pay off before they can live it big in the California hills. It's no different than trusting a mechanic. You should have the same skepticism with Big Lab as you would them.

The best way is to always do it yourself you can. Close your eyes and go by heart. If it feels like your creatine isn't working anymore, question why. Find the relativity. You burned it all up with high intensity activity‒time to stop and reload. We can't always do the work ourselves, but you need to realize that you might be all you've got when it comes to a lot of things in life. There might not be anyone to bail you out. And there might even be people trying to put you in the hole to 1-up themselves. Safety first.
Well then. I take back everything...

You are clearly the enlightened one and have super secret training methods not known by competitive power lifters because that information was suppressed by big supplements and big university for unknown reasons (given that this is just a innovating progressions scheme and they would have no reason to suppress it.)

I am just going to need to close my eyes trust my heart and rep you. What could go wrong?
Originally Posted By arn710
I don't have the time or energy to sit around refuting your dissertations. I've proven time and time again on this board that I walk the walk and talk the talk. You're throwing around a bunch of hypothetical, textbook bullchit in order to make yourself appear smart. The problem is that the real lifters here can and have seen right through your fluff posting.

I have no problem engaging in an intelligent, scientific discussion but I'm not about to engage in that with someone that has no practical knowledge.

Either post some kind of proof that you have practical experience or fuk off
He doesn't need experience... His heart is taking him to where he needs to go.

Not you nor anyone involved in big powerlifting can prove his heart wrong.
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Originally Posted By Austanian
I am just going to need to close my eyes trust my heart and rep you. What could go wrong?

He doesn't need experience... His heart is taking him to where he needs to go.

Not you nor anyone involved in big powerlifting can prove his heart wrong.
It's not always about suppression‒but taking jank and using it to cheaply get ahead. I've seen someone in a magazine trying to sell a $50 dollar bottle of protease. The digestive potency claims that they were making to hype their product are very credible, but a bottle of just plain protease for $50 dollars is pure robbery.

Name one thing that you want to improve and I bet I can show it to you in a single session.
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Lmao. The last person who took on Arn in a lifting discussion ended up drinking his own COPE from a fire hose.

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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin
Lmao. The last person who took on Arn in a lifting discussion ended up drinking his own COPE from a fire hose.

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Man, I hate coming across as a know-it-all. Believe me. I love when people challenge my thoughts on a subject

Don't come at me with a dump truck load of bull chit and expect me to sort through it all though
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