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post 1571022591 01-12-2019, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted By LurkoLantern⏩
RoyalRyy, You would enjoy “Accelerated Spanish by Master of Memory”. Don’t let the name fool you, it’s beginner friendly
Hmm...I’ve never heard of it but I’ll definitely check it out. Thanks brah.
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post 1571050151 01-13-2019, 07:47 AM
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Tons of snow outside in Chicago. Gonna be comfy in my little coffee shop going through maybe two fluenz modules (30 min each).


Going to Mexico in March. Can't wait to practice my spanish there
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post 1571065951 01-13-2019, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted By LurkoLantern⏩
Tons of snow outside in Chicago. Gonna be comfy in my little coffee shop going through maybe two fluenz modules (30 min each).


Going to Mexico in March. Can't wait to practice my spanish there
would highly recommend trying a session or 2 on italki.com before you go. Can find half hour skype tutoring between 10 and 20bucks. just about every teacher will teach by speaking only in your target language so it's a good measuring point.
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-Completed more lessons on Duolingo
-watched 3rd episode of "Extra en Espanol"

Hopefully everyone is progressing. Don't give up boyos.
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Yesterday did 2 pimsluers audio sessions. Just a refresher but it helped with my pronunciation
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S'up,

Thought I would post something that might help out some of the people learning harder languages like Japanese, Mandarin and Russian...


This guy has created a course called the FLR method.

Basically you learn high frequency phrases of that language, questions that you are likely to be asked by any native speaker you encounter online or IRL.

This video shows how the course is laid out...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt7JWfYXcvY

He provides audio and text, in the course.

Japanese...

https://flrmethod.com/learn/japanese/

Mandarin...

https://flrmethod.com/learn/mandarin-chinese-level1/

Russian...

https://flrmethod.com/learn/russian/

It's designed so that the text and audio can be put into ANKI or Memrise for daily review.


This dude in action(though he has a very ethically questionable way of making youtube videos, which is filming people secretly. I'm not sure if he asks their permission after recording to upload or not)...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNkPgRu3zd8

Basically, the course is rote memorization of high frequency phrases, to get you conversational quickly.
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post 1571186371 01-14-2019, 06:03 PM
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FLOTD:

Pimsleur Russian 1 Lessons 24&25- 25 was the last lesson i did 2 days ago. but i completed it with only 60% confidence. I had noticed 23, 24, and 25 all had me feeling like i was behind the curve and struggling. Not thinking of the responses quickly enough. Fuking up the pronunciation when I did. Instead of enduring another half hour of being dragged unconfident, I repeated lessons 24 and 25 while i cleaned my living room and easily completed it with 90 to 95% confidence.

Just a reminder to everyone in their language journeys, if you find yourself advancing through lessons and feeling "behind" for 2 or 3 lessons in a row... might be time to just replay the last few and cement the skills learned. Also scheduled an italki skype session later this week with a french speaker. $15 for a 45 minute chat. Hope it goes well
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
S'up,

Thought I would post something that might help out some of the people learning harder languages like Japanese, Mandarin and Russian...


This guy has created a course called the FLR method.

Basically you learn high frequency phrases of that language, questions that you are likely to be asked by any native speaker you encounter online or IRL.

Basically, the course is rote memorization of high frequency phrases, to get you conversational quickly.
Cool that you found this, and i always appreciate good material but this is basically Pimsleur. That said, if he comprised the sentences himself then i'm sure he has some better chosen phrases than Pimsleur (Mind nuked at being taught the phrase "drive along the road on the right". Is this the chitty uber driver edition???)

Anyways, the biggest thing that slowed me down with learning french was constantly hopping from one method to another. Constantly searching for "the golden key" program, when in actuality the best key is consistency and use of the language. Kind of like workout programs.
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post 1571188591 01-14-2019, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted By W1LLW⏩
Cool that you found this, and i always appreciate good material but this is basically Pimsleur. That said, if he comprised the sentences himself then i'm sure he has some better chosen phrases than Pimsleur (Mind nuked at being taught the phrase "drive along the road on the right". Is this the chitty uber driver edition???)
Yeah, the benefit over Pimsleur is that it is basically about how to have a conversation.

Here are the questions and answers covered in his course...

"STEP#1

(Who)
- Who's teaching you the language?
- Who taught you the language?
- Who did you learn the language from?
- Who is your teacher?
*And any other questions using ''who''
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(What)
- What is your name?
- What's your reason for learning the language?
- What is your job?
- What do you do?
- What is your age?
- What do you do in your spare time?
- What does this mean?
- What time is it?
- What is today's date?
- What are your hobbies?
*And any other questions using ''what''
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(When)

- When did you start learning the language?
- When did you go to the country?
- When will you go to the country?
*And any other questions using ''when''
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(Where)

- Where are you from?
- Where did you learn the language?
- Where in the country have you been?
- Where in the country will you go?
- Where is your hometown?
- Where do you want to go
*And any other questions using ''where''
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(Why)

- Why are you interested in the language?
- Why did you choose to learn the language?
- Why do you think the language is interesting?
* And any other questions using ''why''
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(How)

- How did you learn the language?
- How long have you learned the language?
- How much time do you spend studying the language?
- How do you say(......)
- How do you write (......)
- How are you learning the language?
* And any other questions using ''how''

(Which)

- Which countries have you been to?
- Which books are you using to learn the language?
- Which city do you live in?
- Which language you enjoy learning the most
- Which languages are you learning?
*And any other questions using ''which''
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(What kind)

- What kind of food do you like?
- What kind of books are you using?
- What kind of audio are you using for the language?
* And any other questions using ''what kind''

http://how-to-learn-any-language.com....asp?TID=18808

In the above link, he gives the method away for free.

You basically pay for him doing the work for you, to compile question and answer templates and audio.

I've heard Japanese and Mandarin are really hard to get a point where you can have a basic conversation, so might be a good way of hitting the ground running.
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post 1571189191 01-14-2019, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
S'up,

Thought I would post something that might help out some of the people learning harder languages like Japanese, Mandarin and Russian...


This guy has created a course called the FLR method.

Basically you learn high frequency phrases of that language, questions that you are likely to be asked by any native speaker you encounter online or IRL.

This video shows how the course is laid out...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt7JWfYXcvY

He provides audio and text, in the course.

Japanese...

https://flrmethod.com/learn/japanese/

Mandarin...

https://flrmethod.com/learn/mandarin-chinese-level1/

Russian...

https://flrmethod.com/learn/russian/

It's designed so that the text and audio can be put into ANKI or Memrise for daily review.


This dude in action(though he has a very ethically questionable way of making youtube videos, which is filming people secretly. I'm not sure if he asks their permission after recording to upload or not)...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNkPgRu3zd8

Basically, the course is rote memorization of high frequency phrases, to get you conversational quickly.
I have been watching him for years. Dude is very good at languages but fluent in none. His method works for him and a decent way to start but I prefer pimsluers. I have some gift cards laying around and for $40 maybe I will try and rate it for you guys.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Yeah, the benefit over Pimsleuris that it is basically about how to have a conversation.

You basically pay for him doing the work for you, to compile question and answer templates and audio.

I've heard Japanese and Mandarin are really hard to get a point where you can have a basic conversation, so might be a good way of hitting the ground running.
Just curious, have you done a Pimsleur course before?
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I have been watching him for years. Dude is very good at languagesbut fluent in none.His method works for him and a decent way to start but I prefer pimsluers. I have some gift cards laying around and for $40 maybe I will try and rate it for you guys.
I don't know anything about the guy so i can't speak to him specifically, but on a separate note, is there anything more cringe than someone claiming to speak a language and then getting exposed on the spot?

I don't know why but i seem to witness this 8 to 10 times a year at random. Someone learns how to say "My name is mike", "I really like this food", and literally like 2 other phrases and then they go around telling people "Yeah i speak German" or yeah "I speak french" then without fail someone within earshot.... "ah bon!? tu parles français???" and then it's just *deer in the headlights face* i cringe everytime. il parle fukall, Pierre.


but yeah, the draw for me is being in the target country conversing with locals in their language, running errands in their language, absorbing the culture. it seems a lot of people on language forums get to like A2 in 4 or 5 language just for the sake of being familiar with them but not being able to actively use them. this route doesn't appeal to me.
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post 1571196821 01-14-2019, 08:23 PM
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post 1571215921 01-15-2019, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted By W1LLW⏩
Just curious, have you done a Pimsleur course before?



I don't know anything about the guy so i can't speak to him specifically, but on a separate note, is there anything more cringe than someone claiming to speak a language and then getting exposed on the spot?

I don't know why but i seem to witness this 8 to 10 times a year at random. Someone learns how to say "My name is mike", "I really like this food", and literally like 2 other phrases and then they go around telling people "Yeah i speak German" or yeah "I speak french" then without fail someone within earshot.... "ah bon!? tu parles français???" and then it's just *deer in the headlights face* i cringe everytime. il parle fukall, Pierre.


but yeah, the draw for me is being in the target country conversing with locals in their language, running errands in their language, absorbing the culture. it seems a lot of people on language forums get to like A2 in 4 or 5 language just for the sake of being familiar with them but not being able to actively use them. this route doesn't appeal to me.
I have seen that a few times lol. When people ask I tell them I speak mandarin at a conversational level,I am no means fluent. And when I speak to Chinese people I tell them I’m studying the language.
Plus the guy he posted can speak several languages but just mostly 100 phrases of each except mandarin because his wife is from Taiwan
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Originally Posted By W1LLW⏩
Just curious, have you done a Pimsleur course before?
Yeah.

I learned some very basic Polish with a coworker, and thought I would get Pimsleur Polish to surprise her... My brain was like "WTF?!", trying to construct phrases.

When I went back to her and used some of the language, she looked at me like an Alien and told me the terms I was using was a formal way of addressing old people. However, Pimsleur was teaching it as a way of addressing an average person in the street, when you ask them for directions.

The gist of Pimsleur level 1, as far as I can tell, is learning basic tourist survival questions and answers. (Can you give me directions?, How much does this cost?, Do you want to go for a drink?, etc.) Am I wrong?
I don't know anything about the guy so i can't speak to him specifically, but on a separate note, is there anything more cringe than someone claiming to speak a languge and then getting exposed on the spot?
Laoshu kind of falls into that, depending on the language.

Mandarin and Cantonese he seems to be at an intermediate level, but every other language he seems to only know a beginner or upper beginner level.

He has (IMO a very cleverly devised trick) of learning high frequency phrases, which (as witnessed in his videos) people pretty much are guaranteed to ask you, if they know you are not of their ethnicity and you are learning their language.
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Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
I have been watching him for years. Dude is very good at languages but fluent in none. His method works for him and a decent way to start but I prefer pimsluers. I have some gift cards laying around and for $40 maybe I will try and rate it for you guys.
I'd definitely appreciate your review.
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Checked out the flr method discs and book
Book is 7 pages long and cd has about 50 phrases on it. So not worth the money - pretty much just memorizing catch phrases to say the basic stuff. Pretty much just say A expecting B answer then follow it up with another A phrase. Works great to impress people for the first time meeting them and that’s it.
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Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
Checked out the flr method discs and book
Book is 7 pages long and cd has about 50 phrases on it. So not worth the money - pretty much just memorizing catch phrases to say the basic stuff. Pretty much just say A expecting B answer then follow it up with another A phrase. Works great to impress people for the first time meeting them and that’s it.
I appreciate the review.

To be fair, Pimsleur level 1 is about $100, for about the same amount of phrases, but it doesn't include a transcript though.

A big difference however is that Pimsleur is available from most libraries for free.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
I appreciate the review.

To be fair, Pimsleur level 1 is about $100, for about the same amount of phrases, but it doesn't include a transcript though.

A big difference however is that Pimsleur is available from most libraries for free.
If you have a library card you also can get an account to Mango Languages. It's similar to duolingo but has been around a lonnng time and is pretty refined.
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I use verbling for Spanish, been using it for a couple of years actually. I listen to Spanish podcasts as well.
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FLOTD: Was unmotivated but managed to plop down and get a half hour of Pimsleur in.

Pimsleur French 3 Lesson 7.

Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
When I went back to her and used some of the language, she looked at me like an Alien andtold me the terms I was using was a formal way of addressing old people.However, Pimsleur was teaching it as a way of addressing an average person in the street, when you ask them for directions.

The gist of Pimsleur level 1, as far as I can tell,is learning basic tourist survival questions and answers. (Can you give me directions?, How much does this cost?, Do you want to go for a drink?, etc.) Am I wrong?
on the surface. you're correct on all points but missing some deeper stuff.

first bolded point - like many languages, polish has Masculine/feminine as well as familiar and formal. If a new English speaker from Brazil moved to the USA and I wanted to teach them survival English. I'd definitely teach him "Excuse me, do you know where Red Square is?" as opposed to "Ay, where's Red Square?". I can't fault pimsleur for wanting to prevent me and other learners from getting their ass kicked abroad by talking informally to the wrong person. I was dating a girl in Paris for almost a year and occasionally I would use the formal-vous instead of familiar-tu. She would just chuckle and say "TU mon chér". If this lady is "looking at you like an alien" and not encouraging your studies simply because you used the formal form, tell her to go fuk herself.


second bolded point - you're right about this 100%. it also introduces numbers. but I guess I'm a little confused as to what you're expecting from pimsleurone. Even if you substitute Pimsleur with FLR, okay you'll initially fool people with the particular phrase you used and the ease at which it came out but once they ask anything not scripted by the FLRprogram, you're fuked because you didn't take the time to learn the basics of sentence construction. I know being fluent in a new language is an exciting proposition and we all want to obtain this level as quickly as possible but there's no program that will replace consistent practice, basic grammar knowledge, and regular use of the language.

Giving a West Side Barbell powerlifting program to a person that never lifted isn't going to make them bench 400lbs in two months simply because they started adding chains and other exotic chit to their routine. Gotta put the work and calories in.
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In on thread. Will report back with what I decide on.

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Originally Posted By W1LLW⏩
first bolded point - like many languages, polish has Masculine/feminine as well as familiar and formal. If a new English speaker from Brazil moved to the USA and I wanted to teach them survival English. I'd definitely teach him "Excuse me, do you know where Red Square is?" as opposed to "Ay, where's Red Square?".
I see where you are coming from, but it taught me a way of addressing someone that apparently is the equivalent to formerly addressing a senior, as an everyday term.
If this lady is "looking at you like an alien" and not encouraging your studies simply because you used the formal form, tell her to go fuk herself.
She was encouraging, she was just had a "WTF?" moment.
second bolded point - you're right about this 100%. it also introduces numbers. but I guess I'm a little confused as to what you're expecting from pimsleurone. Even if you substitute Pimsleur with FLR, okay you'll initially fool people with the particular phrase you used and the ease at which it came out but once they ask anything not scripted by the FLRprogram, you're fuked because you didn't take the time to learn the basics of sentence construction. I know being fluent in a new language is an exciting proposition and we all want to obtain this level as quickly as possible but there's no program that will replace consistent practice, basic grammar knowledge, and regular use of the language.
From what I can gather (from the course creator himself), it's just a way of hitting the ground running, so you get into speaking quickly. He also openly recommends picking up courses like Teach Yourself and Assimil alongside the FLR Method...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK9cX9QFnJ0
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post 1571302991 01-16-2019, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
I appreciate the review.

To be fair, Pimsleur level 1 is about $100, for about the same amount of phrases, but it doesn't include a transcript though.

A big difference however is that Pimsleur is available from most libraries for free.
I got mine from the library and so can everyone else. Plus I feel pimsluers goes more into detail about sentence structures and how to make sentences than just learning phrases.
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In on thread. Will report back with what I decide on.

What's the consensus on reading a book written in the language you are learning? Beneficial? Or potentially a roadblock?
Books are tough - if you have too look up every other word you will be just spinning your wheels. I have graded readers in chinese that have 300 and 500 characters. Those are great for learning how to say words in sentences and practice reading without that much time spent looking up words.
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post 1571371281 01-16-2019, 08:39 PM
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post 1571372161 01-16-2019, 08:52 PM
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I don't know if I mentioned this in an earlier post, but there's a lot of chatter online about practicing your language learning by playing games in your target language.

A mod for the game Pillars of Eternity takes it one step further.

Using the language mixer, you can add a "new" language script which is just compiled lines of two other languages. So each line of written dialogue will be in both English and one of the other languages, next to each other.






Works in French, Spanish, Italian, German, Russian and Polish.

Here's the thread on it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/projecteter...arn_languages/

If any of the links don't work, let me know. I have the mod file and can toss it on mega-upload or something.


Edit: I should add - stuff like this is for reviewing and practicing what you've learned and to help with retention. Not for actual learning (more or less). You should be a B1 at least if you are going to play games in the target language, else you're more likely to get discouraged
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post 1571387091 01-17-2019, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted By FinalCountdown⏩
In on thread. Will report back with what I decide on.

What's the consensus on reading a book written in the language you are learning? Beneficial? Or potentially a roadblock?
There is a platform designed around reading with audio, it has graded texts from beginner to advanced.

Some people love it... Lingq.com

https://www.fluentin3months.com/lingq-review/

https://www.alllanguageresources.com/lingq-review/
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post 1571389631 01-17-2019, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
There is a platform designed around reading with audio, it has graded texts from beginner to advanced.

Some people love it... Lingq.com

https://www.fluentin3months.com/lingq-review/

https://www.alllanguageresources.com/lingq-review/
Surprised they rated pimsluers as a 4.5/10. Mostly due to price and it’s only verbal. But for free it’s a 10/10
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post 1571413621 01-17-2019, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
Surprised they rated pimsluers as a 4.5/10. Mostly due to price and it’s only verbal. But for free it’s a 10/10
For lurkers interested...

https://www.fluentin3months.com/pimsleur/

https://www.alllanguageresources.com/pimsleur/


I remember reading Benny's review (the first link), and my experience of Polish Pimsleur lead me to agree with his assessment.

Honestly, (and no judgement, I named Pimsleur in the OP) I'm surprised that Pimsleur is so popular ITT. I thought that Teach Yourself and Assimil would be more popular.

Like you say though, if someone gets Pimsleur for free then IMO it's great.
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post 1571470721 01-18-2019, 01:26 AM
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