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03-26-2016, 04:33 PM
#2341
Originally Posted By KingRexxxy⏩
Submariner…. Sorry meant to specify that in my OP
so what models are you looking at exactly?
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03-26-2016, 04:44 PM
#2342
Originally Posted By jqnmartinez⏩
So im guessing your looking at a 16613 then, the blue dial imo is the best looking 2 tone watch on the market and one of my all time favourite Rolex models. If the black/gold combo is something you are set on then look elsewhere , lots of examples if nice 16613's all over the place for the same money. I wouldn't buy from a jeweler that is so willing to swap out dials etc.
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03-26-2016, 05:28 PM
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jqnmartinez, sorry I don't have any specific info for you, but I would advise you not to settle for something that you don't want. It might take a little longer than you anticipate, but you should get the exact model you want. No ragrets.
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03-26-2016, 06:01 PM
#2344
Originally Posted By mingrey02stg2⏩
Thank you for clearing this up for me. Rep'd
If you have a business devoted to selling fakes, then YES, it is a crime. If you are manufacturing and producing fakes, then yes, it is a crime. But to simply possess a fake watch you obtained through an estate sale is not a crime.
Law enforcement bases its investigation and prosecution of this type of thing on trademark infringement which is codified in 15 U.S.C. 1114. It states:
(1) Any person who shall, without the consent of the registrant
(a) use in commerce any reproduction, counterfeit, copy, or colorable imitation of a registered mark in connection with the sale, offering for sale, distribution, or advertising of any goods or services on or in connection with which such use is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive; or
(b) reproduce, counterfeit, copy, or colorably imitate a registered mark and apply such reproduction, counterfeit, copy, or colorable imitation to labels, signs, prints, packages, wrappers, receptacles or advertisements intended to be used in commerce upon or in connection with the sale, offering for sale, distribution, or advertising of goods or services on or in connection with which such use is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive.
So paragraph (a) talks about using a counterfeit in commerce, meaning a business or trade scenario, not a private person to private person exchange. It also talks about using the brand logos to cause confusion or mistake, which is why I said that he must disclose that it is a replica.
Paragraph (b) again talks about how it is illegal to use trademarked brand logos in the manufacture of goods, etc. So therefore the crime is being committed by the producer/manufacturer, not the end user. The essential element is "intended to be used in commerce." This means you can take an Invicta that looks like a Rolex and switch out the logos at home all you want, as long as you don't set up shop and pass it off as a real Rolex.
Please provide a source where anyone has been arrested for possessing a fake watch. It's more effective to hit the companies/manufacturers because they're the only ones actually committing a crime.
Not trying to be chitty, but the guy needs to know he won't be in any trouble for merely possessing a replica Patek.
Law enforcement bases its investigation and prosecution of this type of thing on trademark infringement which is codified in 15 U.S.C. 1114. It states:
(1) Any person who shall, without the consent of the registrant
(a) use in commerce any reproduction, counterfeit, copy, or colorable imitation of a registered mark in connection with the sale, offering for sale, distribution, or advertising of any goods or services on or in connection with which such use is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive; or
(b) reproduce, counterfeit, copy, or colorably imitate a registered mark and apply such reproduction, counterfeit, copy, or colorable imitation to labels, signs, prints, packages, wrappers, receptacles or advertisements intended to be used in commerce upon or in connection with the sale, offering for sale, distribution, or advertising of goods or services on or in connection with which such use is likely to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive.
So paragraph (a) talks about using a counterfeit in commerce, meaning a business or trade scenario, not a private person to private person exchange. It also talks about using the brand logos to cause confusion or mistake, which is why I said that he must disclose that it is a replica.
Paragraph (b) again talks about how it is illegal to use trademarked brand logos in the manufacture of goods, etc. So therefore the crime is being committed by the producer/manufacturer, not the end user. The essential element is "intended to be used in commerce." This means you can take an Invicta that looks like a Rolex and switch out the logos at home all you want, as long as you don't set up shop and pass it off as a real Rolex.
Please provide a source where anyone has been arrested for possessing a fake watch. It's more effective to hit the companies/manufacturers because they're the only ones actually committing a crime.
Not trying to be chitty, but the guy needs to know he won't be in any trouble for merely possessing a replica Patek.
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03-26-2016, 06:27 PM
#2345
Originally Posted By Venom08⏩
As far as time keeping goes it should be good if it's been serviced. Obviously all depends on age, model and overall condition/wear but generally they wont be much more maintenance than a modern piece. Just ensure it's had a recent service when purchasing or factor it in the price, also don't trust the depth rating, would definitely get them tested if you plan on exposing to water
I looked into older Rolex watches but would getting one made 20+ years ago be a maintenance nightmare? I don't want to get one which will constantly have to be serviced since its time would be off or something.
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03-26-2016, 06:37 PM
#2346
Originally Posted By jqnmartinez⏩
I wouldn't buy the blue and swap the dial/bezel, I personally would advise to just hold off and pick up an original of the black if thats the one you want. However I would prefer the 2006 SS Sub over the 1989 2-tone Sub.
Sup wristwatch crew… Looking at getting a Rolex very soon. Narrowed it down to two tone, black & gold dial/bezel. However the AD that I'm purchasing only has a blue and gold dial/bezel.
He told me he'd be willing to make it black & gold but I wasn't sure how it would effect anything later if I went to sell it or trade up? Is the serial linked to its original blue/gold combo? Also the watch is a 1989 circ if that matters at all. $7k price
For a $6k I could get a Stainless and black sub and it would be a 2006. Because of the year and it being newer I am weighing this option heavily.
Just wanted to get some seasoned insight
He told me he'd be willing to make it black & gold but I wasn't sure how it would effect anything later if I went to sell it or trade up? Is the serial linked to its original blue/gold combo? Also the watch is a 1989 circ if that matters at all. $7k price
For a $6k I could get a Stainless and black sub and it would be a 2006. Because of the year and it being newer I am weighing this option heavily.
Just wanted to get some seasoned insight
Also not entirely sure on that periods paperwork but I know there has been various iterations of warranty certificates with the model number on i.e 16613LB (blue), 16613LN (black). Like I say not sure if this will feature on this pieces documents but something to consider.
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03-26-2016, 06:45 PM
#2347
Thanks for all the good advice gents…. will report with what I end up with
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03-27-2016, 08:54 AM
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03-27-2016, 08:59 AM
#2349
Originally Posted By USAPump⏩
I like it!
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03-27-2016, 02:51 PM
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Anyone here owned both the marathon SAR (any SAR) and a Rolex sub/sea dweller/gmt and compared quality, duarability functionality etc?
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03-28-2016, 11:50 AM
#2351
Anyone use a watch winder/case combo to store. Best one that looks sleek/modern for a start up of above 4-5 total watches?
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03-28-2016, 12:08 PM
#2352
Originally Posted By GabrielNovar⏩
i use a similar one to this one:
Anyone use a watch winder/case combo to store. Best one that looks sleek/modern for a start up of above 4-5 total watches?
http://watchwinderstation.com/pangea...-lights-black/
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03-28-2016, 12:14 PM
#2353
Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
Looks great and a style I would have in my house. thanks and repped
i use a similar one to this one:
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03-28-2016, 11:56 PM
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03-29-2016, 12:13 AM
#2355
Originally Posted By FiLL⏩
Very nice addition and collection
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03-29-2016, 12:18 AM
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Found this beauty today.
Its a 2001 Rolex DJ complete with original box and papers. He's asking $2250.
Is this a good deal or not?
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Its a 2001 Rolex DJ complete with original box and papers. He's asking $2250.
Is this a good deal or not?
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03-29-2016, 01:37 AM
#2357
Originally Posted By dbluevette⏩
On par with the cheapest DJ from chrono24, so I guess this isn't a bad deal if everything checks out.
Found this beauty today.
Its a 2001 Rolex DJ complete with original box and papers. He's asking $2250.
Is this a good deal or not?
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03-29-2016, 02:58 AM
#2358
Originally Posted By dbluevette⏩
$2250 for a full set DJ is definitely a good buy, though you can always offer him $2k and with some luck you'll have an even better deal!
Found this beauty today.
Its a 2001 Rolex DJ complete with original box and papers. He's asking $2250.
Is this a good deal or not?
Pls help.
http://i.imgur.com/8wjKZQu.jpg
Its a 2001 Rolex DJ complete with original box and papers. He's asking $2250.
Is this a good deal or not?
Pls help.
http://i.imgur.com/8wjKZQu.jpg
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03-29-2016, 10:07 AM
#2359
After heavy thought I pulled the trigger on a 16610 (2005). A 11610 would have cost me $1300 more from the AD and didn't feel the ceramic was worth that at this time. He told me I could always trade up later. Very happy with my purchase. Dropping it off to them next week to get the band high polished.
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03-29-2016, 10:18 AM
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Congrats man! That Rolex is definitely in my top three favorite watches.
03-29-2016, 12:03 PM
#2361
Originally Posted By FiLL⏩
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03-29-2016, 01:55 PM
#2362
Originally Posted By jqnmartinez⏩
Congrats bro, looks in great shape!
After heavy thought I pulled the trigger on a 16610 (2005). A 11610 would have cost me $1300 more from the AD and didn't feel the ceramic was worth that at this time. He told me I could always trade up later. Very happy with my purchase. Dropping it off to them next week to get the band high polished.
You're getting the bracelet polished? Just the centre links? or re-brushed?
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03-29-2016, 02:01 PM
#2363
Originally Posted By Evad3⏩
hes going full on Breitling super avenger mode
Congrats bro, looks in great shape!
You're getting the bracelet polished? Just the centre links? or re-brushed?
You're getting the bracelet polished? Just the centre links? or re-brushed?
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03-29-2016, 02:05 PM
#2364
Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
That's what I was picturing too aha, I hope not srs
hes going full on Breitling super avenger mode
not srs
hope im not srs
maybe srs tho
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03-29-2016, 02:49 PM
#2365
Originally Posted By Evad3⏩
Agree. I actually have an Avenger Skyland, but I really hope that isn't the treatment he is going for. I don't think I've ever even seen that on a Rolex.
That's what I was picturing too aha, I hope not srs
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03-29-2016, 03:44 PM
#2366
Originally Posted By FiLL⏩
Sweet Collection.
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Looks like a good deal to me broseph.
Found this beauty today.
Its a 2001 Rolex DJ complete with original box and papers. He's asking $2250.
Is this a good deal or not?
Pls help.
Its a 2001 Rolex DJ complete with original box and papers. He's asking $2250.
Is this a good deal or not?
Pls help.
Originally Posted By jqnmartinez⏩
Great pick up man, excellent watch. You cant go wrong with a sub.
After heavy thought I pulled the trigger on a 16610 (2005). A 11610 would have cost me $1300 more from the AD and didn't feel the ceramic was worth that at this time. He told me I could always trade up later. Very happy with my purchase. Dropping it off to them next week to get the band high polished.
Originally Posted By RainingBlood⏩
Love the blue dial. Noice.
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03-29-2016, 07:21 PM
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what are some other better quality brands that I should look at under $1,000.00. Currently checking out Tissot and Hamilton in chronograph design, something silver or greyish/black.
any suggestions?
something along these lines….
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something along these lines….
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03-29-2016, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Masterbetaa⏩
Tissit and Hamilton aerobat nice options. Oris is another big brand that makes some nice stuff in that price range (and above).
what are some other better quality brands that I should look at under $1,000.00. Currently checking out Tissot and Hamilton in chronograph design, something silver or greyish/black.
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03-29-2016, 07:33 PM
#2369
Originally Posted By Kabananga⏩
Thanks, rep'd
$2250 for a full set DJ is definitely a good buy, though you can always offer him $2k and with some luck you'll have an even better deal!
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03-29-2016, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Masterbetaa⏩
I agree with everything BigRangs said. Go for Tissot, Hamilton, Oris and Seiko on your budget.
what are some other better quality brands that I should look at under $1,000.00. Currently checking out Tissot and Hamilton in chronograph design, something silver or greyish/black.
any suggestions?
something along these lines….
any suggestions?
something along these lines….
Have a look at this Hamilton selection:
http://www.jomashop.com/ha.html?band...es=Chronograph
Maybe a Hamilton Jazzmaster Chrono?
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