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Thread: Practicing medicine now, I see just how immune doctors are from AI/automation (srs)

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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
I used to think that AI and supercomputers could effectively replace doctors. But now that I'm actually practicing medicine, such an idea is incredibly lolzy at best.
A big part of medicine is art and another big component is personalization. You can program a computer to follow algorithms but the issue is implementation of it and navigating the logistics is a major art. And so many patients don't fit the algorithm.

I also find that a lot of AI proponents think that doctors just treat simple stuff because they themselves are healthy and only go to the doctor for 1-2 minor issues. Truth is, the *real* patients have simultaneous multi-organ disease (in the clinic or in the hospital), have 2 dozen issues and are on 30 medications at once.
and you think a person is going to be able to keep up with those 900 drug combinations better than an AI? I think a lot of people think AI can't replace them because they think the AI has to do it the same way they do. Drug combinations especially are handled more and more by computers and you probably don't even think of it as automation.
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
So one of you AI bros explain how a treatment is selected when there are multiple options. Also won't AI suffer from the same problems as current doctors do? Such as incomplete patient history or patients lying?
The same way you already do .

You rule out things it couldn't be until you narrow it down to a manageable number of possibilities and keep going from there.

What's funny is guys ITT.

****s probably like 100 years off and dude a e acting like a ****ing army of T1000's are coming for their job.

Hell were not even getting into things like nanobots that will be here in who knows how long.

If you don't think doctos can and will eventually be replaced IDK what to tell you other than I'm guessing you're not aware of technological advancements being made.

It's crazy what kinda things exist just right now, imagine those things just being refined, and refined, and refined til the products are so good they're commonplace.

Hell think about going back 50 years with a cellphone
(obviously with infrastructure in place).

You'd be basically a demigod

And now with computers those technological advancements are happening faster than ever.
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
The same way you already do .

You rule out things it couldn't be until you narrow it down to a manageable number of possibilities and keep going from there.
only a managable number of possibilities to a human doctor is something like 3. And something like 3 billion to an AI.
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
The same way you already do .

You rule out things it couldn't be until you narrow it down to a manageable number of possibilities and keep going from there.

What's funny is guys ITT.

****s probably like 100 years off and dude a e acting like a ****ing army of T1000's are coming for their job.

Hell were not even getting into things like nanobots that will be here in who knows how long.

If you don't think doctos can and will eventually be replaced IDK what to tell you other than I'm guessing you're not aware of technological advancements being made.

It's crazy what kinda things exist just right now, imagine those things just being refined, and refined, and refined til the products are so good they're commonplace.

Hell think about going back 50 years with a cellphone
(obviously with infrastructure in place).

You'd be basically a demigod ���������������� �

And now with computers those technological advancements are happening faster than ever.
That definitely didn't answer my question. I understand you're saying a flow chart A to Z. What happens when you arrive at Z and there are 4 different methods of treatment?
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
That definitely didn't answer my question. I understand you're saying a flow chart A to Z. What happens when you arrive at Z and there are 4 different methods of treatment?
A human doctor goes with whichever is most common/his gut says is right/he gets lucky and one is clearly better.

An A.I. Checks billions of seemingly irrelevant characteristics (Mole within three inches of her left ear? that's +50% for medication A.) and tells you the odds of survival are 3.28% better with treatment plan C.
And the more people it sees and the more data it gets the better its predictions will become.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
I thought a computer is supposed to scan you head to toe and diagnose you based on this "scan" then treat you.
How it gets to that point isn't really of consequence, though that will also be figured out.

Could have people dedicated to figuring out the symptoms and putting the information into a computer that does everything else.

That could/would be a very rudimentary instance, but it'll be refined over and over through time.

Just the same way cars went from model T's to Bugattis that can do like 300 MPH.

That's what? 100 years of technological refinement? With the computer only coming into play within the last four decades?
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
and you think a person is going to be able to keep up with those 900 drug combinations better than an AI? I think a lot of people think AI can't replace them because they think the AI has to do it the same way they do. Drug combinations especially are handled more and more by computers and you probably don't even think of it as automation.
Again, very irrelevant point. Drug interactions and combos can make things further complex but it's a very superficial issue. It's the big picture decision making that counts and having someone who can take responsibility for the decision.

Take something super common like Afib. It increases your risk of a stroke. So we have a sit down discussion with a patient and go through their risk factors for a stroke and also having a serious bleed from anticoagulation for the Afib. It's a shared-decision making process where you have risks and benefits. You can also choose to just take aspirin for example.
An AI can tell me which anticoagulant I should use and for how long etc (which I already know anyway). But I'm going through a decision making model with the patient so they can make an informed decision.

Are you suggesting that the AI will be communicating as well? Or is someone with less training going to do the talking, then when the patient asks a question - they're going to input that into the AI? No matter how you phrase it, your model is grossly inefficient and logistically absurd.
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only a managable number of possibilities to a human doctor is something like 3. And something like 3 billion to an AI.
Statistically impossible.
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Originally Posted By Cadet4life⏩
they were objective, which i understand. but in the heat of the moment they were pretty chitty on the explanation and the reasons. i needed to halt the process to make sure we understood what was happening. there was a lot of "sign here, sign that". very brief.



look boyo, ur in school right now. you'll see when u get out in the real world.
So basically they were poor at discussing with the patient and the family surrounding them and engaging them in a team effort. You think AI would solve this issue?? Lmao its a common theme that patients are not communicated to properly. Not having a go at you but your statement there just destroys the notion that AI could mimic the human aspect thing.

One thing is ‘breaking the game’ and playing chess better than the expert, its another thing to treat a patient as a WHOLE


Can you AI bros explain if AI would be able to juggle autonomy, beneficence, maleficence, consent, justice

14 year old girl who wants contraception for example. She wants the pill, the mom wants her to have an injection but the doc knows the implant is the way to go. How would the AI go about doing that? And how does it know the age of consent and and capacity in that specific country its in?

Genuinely curious
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
That definitely didn't answer my question. I understand you're saying a flow chart A to Z. What happens when you arrive at Z and there are 4 different methods of treatment?
Exactly what happens when the human gets to Z.

The computer will just do it faster, more accurately and for cheaper, just like robots do people's jobs today.
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
A human doctor goes with whichever is most common/his gut says is right/he gets lucky and one is clearly better.

An A.I. Checks billions of seemingly irrelevant characteristics (Mole within three inches of her left ear? that's +50% for medication A.) and tells you the odds of survival are 3.28% better with treatment plan C.
And the more people it sees and the more data it gets the better its predictions will become.
ok. So how can we guarantee no algorithmic bias when things are literally life and death?
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
A human doctor goes with whichever is most common/his gut says is right/he gets lucky and one is clearly better.

An A.I. Checks billions of seemingly irrelevant characteristics (Mole within three inches of her left ear? that's +50% for medication A.) and tells you the odds of survival are 3.28% better with treatment plan C.
And the more people it sees and the more data it gets the better its predictions will become.
i mean ive introduced like 100 problems nobody has responded to itt.

so in your example is this "robot doctor" completely autonomous or is more like programmed with a human companion? it can sift through the information but ultimately it will be the "human doctors" choice?

lets go with completely autonomous ai doctor. what if you get a patient with a very low survival rate. idk.. lets say something just has 99.9% odds of not making it or lets say something with <50% survival rate. is the autonomous robot with no sense of morality going to make the decision to end a human life or, again, will that be handed off to different staff? what about the crazy success stories of people overcoming extremely huge odds?

and then i guess you could introduce problems like.. well, if the human doctors aren't handling that, then how involved could they be regarding their patient's lives . if they aren't the ones doing the action and the

imo, there are very, very steep hurdles. not even broaching the tons of problems i already mentioned within the thread

i would agree though that technology is improving and there are very specific tasks that "ai" could be programmed to perform - however, the human aspect will not be eliminated
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Originally Posted By mandarino⏩
So basically they were poor at discussing with the patient and the family surrounding them and engaging them in a team effort. You think AI would solve this issue?? Lmao its a common theme that patients are not communicated to properly. Not having a go at you but your statement there just destroys the notion that AI could mimic the human aspect thing.

One thing is ‘breaking the game’ and playing chess better than the expert, its another thing to treat a patient as a WHOLE
Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
i mean ive introduced like 100 problems nobody has responded to itt.

so in your example is this "robot doctor" completely autonomous or is more like programmed with a human companion? it can sift through the information but ultimately it will be the "human doctors" choice

lets go with completely autonomous ai doctor. what if you get a patient with a very low survival rate. idk.. lets say something just has 99.9% odds of not making it or lets say something with <50% survival rate. is the autonomous robot with no sense of morality going to make the decision to end a human life or, again, will that be handed off to different staff?

and then i guess you could introduce problems like.. well, if the human doctors aren't handling that, then how involved could they be regarding their patient's lives. if they aren't the ones doing the action

imo, there are very, very step hurdles
It's A or B brah.

A = AI is literally god

B = This AI system makes us infinitely more inefficient due to the endless redundancies
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14 year old girl who wants contraception for example. She wants the pill, the mom wants her to have an injection but the doc knows the implant is the way to go. How would the AI go about doing that? And how does it know the age of consent and and capacity in that specific country its in?

Genuinely curious
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
It's A or B brah.

A = AI is literally god

B = This AI system makes us infinitely more inefficient due to the endless redundancies
Leaning towards A.

First it'll be B, but eventually A.
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
Leaning towards A.

First it'll be B, but eventually A.
Sure. Wormholes are also a thing, maybe we'll warpdrive and visit aliens. The latter is actually possible in the world of math and not pure science fiction.
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Originally Posted By mandarino⏩
14 year old girl who wants contraception for example. She wants the pill, the mom wants her to have an injection but the doc knows the implant is the way to go. How would the AI go about doing that? And how does it know the age of consent and and capacity in that specific country its in?

Genuinely curious
Go back in the 1800's and ask someone to explain how a stealth fighter works.

As for the question regarding doctors I'm just pointing out that basically all the components exist in at least rudimentary form.

Picture in 100 years of refining technologies, putting technologies together to make new things.

It's not "if", it's"when".
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
Sure. Wormholes are also a thing, maybe we'll warpdrive and visit aliens. The latter is actually possible in the world of math and not pure science fiction.
You're doing"that thing" again...
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
ok. So how can we guarantee no algorithmic bias when things are literally life and death?
algorithmic bias towards.....?

Conversely, how do you ensure no decision making bias or error in human doctors when things are life or death?

Dont forget, to be implemented, AI does not have to be perfect, it just has to be cheaper and as good as the incumbent - the human mind.
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
Go back in the 1800's and ask someone to explain how a stealth fighter works.

As for the question regarding doctors I'm just pointing out that basically all the components exist in at least rudimentary form.

Picture in 100 years of refining technologies, putting technologies together to make new things.

It's not "if", it's"when".
So AI cant solve my conundrum about the 14 year old with contraception troubles?


Ok i think i missed the point here. I agree, within the next 300 years, AI will replace most human jobs. Or at least i one can assume.
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Originally Posted By TonyTriangles⏩
i went to an urgent care for the flu a couple of years ago and the doc just checked the boxes for my symptoms and lab results, which gave out a list of possible diagnosis. he saw me for 5 minutes, told me what i had and sent the prescription electronically to my pharmacy, then onto his next patient.

specialty docs will always have a job but primary care will turn into a kiosk with one doctor for an entire practice.
I could see a version of this coming soon to your local pharmacy. A machine to check your temperature and blood pressure/pulse followed by some simple choices (area of concern today) and symptoms to check off. If you give any information that seems to merit seeing a doctor in person then the kiosk would tell you the same. And there would likely need to be a waiver of liability along the lines of "RoboDoc can not be held liable for any misdiagnosis or lack of diagnosis due to information that isn't shared by the patient in the interview process". Your orders, possibly scripts and a note for work pop out at the end.
Originally Posted By sam212⏩
Lol, I’m a surgeon, there is no fukking way AI is replacing surgeons.

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None of you mofos would want a robot to fix you pelvis or tibia when you show to the hospital, not a single one of you. Even if the robot was goddamn perfect.
Surgery would seem like a poor choice for full automation. I could possibly see one human surgeon overseeing multiple surgical AI robots. That seems like an area with a significant amount of novelty (not all of our bodies are laid out just like the medical books, things can be obvious after opening someone up that were missed by imaging).
Originally Posted By Optimiscm⏩
Lol at thinking AI can’t think outside the box.
In this specific example of a powerful processor using machine learning to master a single field?

No, not really. Not the way that a human can. Because a specialized AI isn't likely to be inspired by life experience that builds knowledge of other fields of human endeavor.
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How about a patient with cervical radiculopathy with superimposed compression neuropathy such a carpal tunnel or cubical tunnel? Both present in same fashion, see one every week. You can get your MRI and EMG, you’ll diagnose both, but how will you decipher what is causing the symptoms?
Please do tell.

If someone is experiencing weakness and clumsiness in their hands and has both a history of employment that has produced carpal tunnel and arthritis in the neck/whiplash injury how do you decide which is causing the problem?

****

And to the topic of the thread I think that it is possible that what has been described here as AI could be helpful tool I personally can't see it completely replacing human doctors.

Why?

Because the patients themselves are human- imperfect, imprecise, forgetful, dishonest, etc. And because I think that AI isn't likely to have the EQ if you will to read human patients the way that a good human doctor can. There are plenty of humans that are bad at picking up subtle cues. See: many miscers

I read the whole thing.

So far haven't seen anyone ask if it is a good idea to create AI that are expert at treating human physical ailments.

How do we guarantee that these all knowing all remembering medical wizards don't become corrupted in some way to use that knowledge against us?
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Originally Posted By xXGHOST23Xx⏩
algorithmic bias towards.....?

Conversely, how do you ensure no decision making bias or error in human doctors when things are life or death?

Dont forget, to be implemented, AI does not have to be perfect, it just has to be cheaper and as good as the incumbent - the human mind.
There are roughly 23 thousand genes in the human genome. But, Kaku said, “The human brain has 100 billion neurons, each neuron connected to 10 thousand other neurons. Sitting on your shoulders is the most complicated object in the known universe
i think people are largely looking at the results of the computations and everything the brain produces and are looking at that as "not complex" when the real complexity is all the underlying mechanisms which create these results. the brain is massively complex

at least you can largely be sure, OK ill give you this may be with the understanding that the doctor is vetted, that (given the doctor has been vetted and passed all restrictions/requirements/ etc.) , that the doctor knows and understands humans. thus he has the humans best interest at heart

you could say that artificial intelligence will at one point develop "morality"; however, right now you have to give credit to its sheer infancy regarding that

that is an interesting conflict within humanity itself, not even introducing a completely separate entity that is a non-sentient species.

im sorry but i dont really have the inherent distrust of humans that a lot of people itt seem to
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Originally Posted By xXGHOST23Xx⏩
algorithmic bias towards.....?

Conversely, how do you ensure no decision making bias or error in human doctors when things are life or death?

Dont forget, to be implemented, AI does not have to be perfect, it just has to be cheaper and as good as the incumbent - the human mind.
towards anything.

if you have nothing that guarantees there is no bias what's the point? It's fine until your AI starts excluding treatment for whatever reason and there is no failsafe on that.
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
towards anything.

if you have nothing that guarantees there is no bias what's the point? It's fine until your AI starts excluding treatment for whatever reason and there is no failsafe on that.
LOL aren't some human doctors already doing that?
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
LOL aren't some human doctors already doing that?
Can you answer the ACTUAL question?
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
very, very unreal
Agreed. No point in trying to convince them of the true potential when quantam computing is the norm. So much delusion into thinking AI on that level will be dependent on legacy input methods such as a keyboard.
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
Can you answer the ACTUAL question?
Really?

You want me to explain why/how a computer can be less biased than a human?
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
Really?

You want me to explain why/how a computer can be less biased than a human?
yes I want you to explain what guarantee there is against algorithmic bias. I mean humans are writing the algorithm ni?
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
yes I want you to explain what guarantee there is against algorithmic bias. I mean humans are writing the algorithm ni?
You think it'd be easier to sell the idea of an unbiased computer or an unbiased person?

LOL
The billionaire and the beggar both have 24 hours in a day.

That's why grandma's apple pie rocks and yours sucks.
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
At least it will thunderstorm tonight, and we know how they feel about water. :)
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2018 article:
But SpiNNaker doesn’t just “think” like a brain. It creates models of the neurons in human brains, and it simulates more neurons in real time than any other computer on Earth, according to the statement.

“Its primary task is to support partial brain models: for example, models of cortex, of basal ganglia, or multiple regions expressed typically as networks of spiking [or firing] neurons,” Furber told Live Science in an email.

DOUBLE THE PROCESSORS
Since April 2016, SpiNNaker has been simulating neuron activity using 500,000 core processors, but the upgraded machine has twice that capacity, Furber explained. With the support of the European Union’s Human Brain Project—an effort to construct a virtual human brain—SpiNNaker will continue to enable scientists to create detailed brain models. But now it has the capacity to perform 200 quadrillion actions simultaneously, university representatives reported in the statement.

While some other computers may rival SpiNNaker in the number of processors they contain, what sets this platform apart is the infrastructure connecting those processors. In the human brain, 100 billion neurons simultaneously fire and transmit signals to thousands of destinations. SpiNNaker’s architecture supports an exceptional level of communication among its processors, behaving much like a brain’s neural network does, Furber explained.

“Conventional supercomputers have connectivity mechanisms that are much less well suited to real-time brain modeling,” he said. “SpiNNaker is, I believe, capable of modeling larger spiking neural networks in biological real time than any other machine.”

Previously, when SpiNNaker was operating with only 500,000 processors, it modeled 80,000 neurons in the cortex, the brain region that moderates data from the senses. Another SpiNNaker simulation of the basal ganglia, a brain area affected by Parkinson’s disease, hints at the computer’s potential as a tool for studying brain disorders, according to the statement.

SpiNNaker can also control a mobile robot called SpOmnibot, which uses the computer to interpret data from the robot’s vision sensors and make navigation choices in real time, university representatives said.

With all its computing power and brain-like capabilities, how close is SpiNNaker to behaving like a real human brain? For now, exactly simulating a human brain is simply not possible, Furber said. An advanced machine such as SpiNNaker can still manage only a fraction of the communication performed by a human brain, and supercomputers have a long way to go before they can think for themselves, Furber wrote in the email.

“Even with a million processors, we can only approach 1 percent of the scale of the human brain, and that’s with a lot of simplifying assumptions,” he said.

However, SpiNNaker could mimic the function of a mouse brain, which is 1,000 times smaller than a human brain, Furber added.
here's more:
Biology is a beautiful thing, and life itself is much smarter than computers. For example, the brain is both hardware and software, whereas there is an inherent different in computers. The same interconnected areas, linked by billions of neurons and perhaps trillions of glial cells, can perceive, interpret, store, analyze, and redistribute at the same time. Computers, by their very definition and fundamental design, have some parts for processing and others for memory; the brain doesn’t make that separation, which makes it hugely efficient.

The same calculations and processes that might take a computer a few millions steps can be achieved by a few hundred neuron transmissions, requiring far less energy and performing at a far greater efficiency. The amount of energy required to power computations by the world’s fastest supercomputer would be enough to power a building; the human brain achieves the same processing speeds from the same energy as is required to charge a dim lightbulb. Biological processes have had billions of years to evolve perfect, efficient organs that far supersede technology, and we are beginning to reach those artificial “limitations”.

One of the things that truly sets brains apart, aside from their clear advantage in raw computing power, is the flexibility that it displays. Essentially, the human brain can rewire itself, a feat more formally known as neuroplasticity. Neurons are able to disconnect and reconnect with others, and even change in their basic features, something that a carefully constructed computer cannot do.

We see this amazing transformative feat in a wide variety of brain functions, such as the formations of memory, knowledge acquisition, physical development, and even recovery from brain damage. When the brain identifies a more efficient or effective way to compute and function, it can morph and alter its physical and neuronal structure, hence the term “plasticity“. Until we achieve true Artificial Intelligence (in which computers should theoretically be able to re-wire themselves), neuroplasticity will always keep the human brain at least one step ahead of “static” supercomputer
more:
For decades computer scientists have strived to build machines that can calculate faster than the human brain and store more information. The contraptions have won. The world’s most powerful supercomputer, the K from Fujitsu, computes four times faster and holds 10 times as much data. And of course, many more bits are coursing through the Internet at any moment. Yet the Internet’s servers worldwide would fill a small city, and the K sucks up enough electricity to power 10,000 homes. The incredibly efficient brain consumes less juice than a dim lightbulb and fits nicely inside our head.Biology does a lot with a little: the human genome, which grows our body and directs us through years of complex life, requires less data than a laptop operating system. Even a cat’s brain smokes the newest iPad—1,000 times more data storage and a million times quicker to act on it.
btw.. this is even giving A LOT of credit to the proposed arguments. most of these ARE dealing with the computations/ capacity/ and storage which:“Even with a million processors, we can only approach 1 percent of the scale of the human brain, and that’s with a lot of simplifying assumptions,”. but that is not even BROACHING the completely separate even more untouched problem of autonomy
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