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Thread: Omicron 5 times more likely to reinfect than Delta; no less severe

post 1652841333 12-19-2021, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
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Do you think there should be estimates for different numbers of infections or time since last infection to account for waning immunity after infection?
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This kunt OP is still trying to convince people to take injections eh?? I put that chit head on ignore when it was discovered he is paid by the govt+pharma to shill for them online






ROFL if you read that ****git's posts ded fukn srs
post 1652841503 12-19-2021, 09:42 PM
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19% isn't the lower bound of the CI for infection (which was zero). It seems odd to compare a lower CI boundary to a point estimate.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
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0% is the lowest CI boundary across the 4 conditions. But, 19% isn't the lower bound of the CI for infection (which was zero). It seems odd to compare a lower CI boundary to a point estimate.
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Originally Posted By SuperHercules⏩
lol at OP still trying to pull estimates out of his ass while doctors everywhere are saying it's much milder based on real life observations
I've only posted estimates from the linked article.
post 1652842113 12-19-2021, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
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But you said you would draft an equivalent statement.

19% is the point estimate [CI 0-27].

For VE you said the equivalent number is 0%, but that's the lowest CI boundary across the 4 separate conditions.

19% and 0% represent different things. It seems odd to compare them directly.

I guess given your across-condition collapsing, the comparison would be 0% to 0%

Does that suggest previous infection and vaccines afford the same level of protection to omicron?
post 1652842603 12-19-2021, 10:12 PM
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cold and flu season

haven't gotten so much as a sniffle during the last few years and i go out every weekend at least 1 day

have had sick friends/girlfriends coughing in my house for hours and still nothing

legit can't imagine being a panicel

at first i was pissed off at them but i now realize that the hell they've created for themselves is worse than any punishment i could give them
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post 1652842703 12-19-2021, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
J.L.C. now admits that he has posted misinformation.
Well no. I don't agree with how you calculated your estimates. It's an invalid way to use frequentist confidence intervals.

But at least you finally committed to an argument
post 1652842953 12-19-2021, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
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Your argument appears to be that both vaccines and previous infection are equivalent and afford as little as 0% protection against infection with Omicron.

It took a while. But at least now I know your position.

Thanks!
post 1652844213 12-19-2021, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70⏩
Stolifun and P51 have only their ideology to blame for my lack of concern about this virus. For two years we’ve been called selfish and made to choose between careers and getting a shot. The goalposts keep moving because of their ideology. Less than two percent of the people who get it die. Your ideology has ruined way more lives than this virus has taken. If we don’t put an end to this NOW, they will never stop. So, if you support this Draconian garbage, IT’S ON YOU. And why do you care that much anyway? After all, it’s only killing Republicans, right? You can’t tell me you care that much because apparently P51 is not pleased with me spreading my a cold.
You're spreading COVID to your church because liberals made you upset?
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post 1652851623 12-20-2021, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted By StoliFun⏩
You're spreading COVID to your church because liberals made you upset?
You just can’t help not paying attention. Seems to be a theme. Everyone apparently has it around me, family, friends, and church members. Everyone has it apparently. I’ll write it again so it really sinks in. We are going about it daily lives. I’m not the only one. But if that’s all you got out of my post, it’s no wonder we are tired of the fear-mongering. It’s a cold. Just a cold. My throat is super sore right now. A little nose drainage. I’m pretty sure I’ll be fine and everyone else in my vicinity will be too. I played the game some in the beginning.

But I do have a conscience. I’m supposed to meet an elderly lady today and will cancel it because I do have a sore throat. I would do that even if there wasn’t a pandemic.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
J.L.C. needs to spend more time in school.

He needs to work on his reading and writing.

He is not very good at either, but he will be if he studies very hard.



Just fukin LOL at the subpar beavercel education system, I've literally spelled it out for the vaxcuck and he still didn't get what my "argument" was. But hey, I found a new schtick, interact with him on his intellectual level - which seems to be preschool.
I appreciate you finally taking a position. Even though I feel your logic is flawed, at least presenting your position facilitates discussion.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70⏩
You just can’t help not paying attention. Seems to be a theme. Everyone apparently has it around me, family, friends, and church members. Everyone has it apparently. I’ll write it again so it really sinks in. We are going about it daily lives. I’m not the only one. But if that’s all you got out of my post, it’s no wonder we are tired of the fear-mongering. It’s a cold. Just a cold. My throat is super sore right now. A little nose drainage. I’m pretty sure I’ll be fine and everyone else in my vicinity will be too. I played the game some in the beginning.

But I do have a conscience. I’m supposed to meet an elderly lady today and will cancel it because I do have a sore throat. I would do that even if there wasn’t a pandemic.
I still don't get it. Did you confer with other members of your congregation who have COVID and you all decided to go to church together anyway? Did members of your congregation who don't have COVID and don't want to get it have an opportunity that find out ahead of time that you'd be there deliberately spreading disease at church, or did you covid-rape them?
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post 1652864953 12-20-2021, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
J.L.C. still doesn't know how to read.

He thinks he does.

He needs to go to school and learn.

For everyone else that doesn't have issues reading - just LOL at beavercels who never progressed beyond preschool levels of comprehension.
I think the logic in your argument is flawed in two places.

The first is in a common misunderstanding of what frequentist confidence intervals represent.

A frequentist 95% confidence interval means that with a large number of repeated samples, 95% of such calculated confidence intervals would include the true value of the parameter. In frequentist terms, the parameter is fixed (cannot be considered to have a distribution of possible values) and the confidence interval is random (as it depends on the random sample).

Second, you're assuming the lower bound of the CI from pooled estimates would be equal to the lowest CI boundary of the unpooled estimates. That's unlikely to be the case as there would be regression toward the pooled mean.
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Originally Posted By StoliFun⏩
I still don't get it. Did you confer with other members of your congregation who have COVID and you all decided to go to church together anyway? Did members of your congregation who don't have COVID and don't want to get it have an opportunity that find out ahead of time that you'd be there deliberately spreading disease at church, or did you covid-rape them?
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Quoting this gem of a post.
Me too because it's biirful.
post 1652876193 12-20-2021, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
J.L.C. is posting a lot of garbage to deflect from his OP.

He is ashamed for posting "misinformation".

Maybe he will read the "studies" he links next time.

Maybe he will learn that "There first is in a common misunderstanding" is not correct.

Maybe he will see sensationalized sentences for what they are:



Just LOL at beavercel vaxcucks having preschool levels of reading skills.
Your argument that previous infection and either 2 or 3 inoculations with either AZ or Pfizer afford 0% protection against infection with Omicron seems logically flawed.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I think the logic in your argument is flawed in two places.

The first is in a common misunderstanding of what frequentist confidence intervals represent.

A frequentist 95% confidence interval means that with a large number of repeated samples, 95% of such calculated confidence intervals would include the true value of the parameter. In frequentist terms, the parameter is fixed (cannot be considered to have a distribution of possible values) and the confidence interval is random (as it depends on the random sample).

Second, you're assuming the lower bound of the CI from pooled estimates would be equal to the lowest CI boundary of the unpooled estimates. That's unlikely to be the case as there would be regression toward the pooled mean.
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how does Neil Ferguson still have a job?
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Originally Posted By sdmk⏩
how does Neil Ferguson still have a job?
He said this week that most infected with omicron "won’t get seriously ill".
post 1652891363 12-20-2021, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
J.L.C. is still not understanding what the argument was.

He doesn't quite know English.

He is ashamed for posting "misinformation".

Maybe he will read the "studies" he links next time.

Maybe he will learn that "There first is in a common misunderstanding" is not correct.

Maybe he will see sensationalized sentences for what they are:



Just LOL at beavercel vaxcucks having preschool levels of reading skills.
Your argument that previous infection and either 2 or 3 inoculations with either AZ or Pfizer afford 0% protection against infection with Omicron seems logically flawed.

I think the logic in your argument is flawed in two places.

The first is in a common misunderstanding of what frequentist confidence intervals represent.

A frequentist 95% confidence interval means that with a large number of repeated samples, 95% of such calculated confidence intervals would include the true value of the parameter. In frequentist terms, the parameter is fixed (cannot be considered to have a distribution of possible values) and the confidence interval is random (as it depends on the random sample).

Second, you're assuming the lower bound of the CI from pooled estimates would be equal to the lowest CI boundary of the unpooled estimates. That's unlikely to be the case as there would be regression toward the pooled mean.
post 1652891603 12-20-2021, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
J.L.C. still doesn't know how to read.

He is still confused.

Maybe he doesn't understand what the argument was.

Maybe he doesn't know what the word "argument" means.

Maybe he needs a nap.

Naps are good.

But maybe he is just ashamed of posting misinformation.

Bigger fonts don't address the flaws in your argument.

Your argument that previous infection and either 2 or 3 inoculations with either AZ or Pfizer afford 0% protection against infection with Omicron seems logically flawed.

I think the logic in your argument is flawed in two places.

The first is in a common misunderstanding of what frequentist confidence intervals represent.

A frequentist 95% confidence interval means that with a large number of repeated samples, 95% of such calculated confidence intervals would include the true value of the parameter. In frequentist terms, the parameter is fixed (cannot be considered to have a distribution of possible values) and the confidence interval is random (as it depends on the random sample).

Second, you're assuming the lower bound of the CI from pooled estimates would be equal to the lowest CI boundary of the unpooled estimates. That's unlikely to be the case as there would be regression toward the pooled mean.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Big fonts are needed as J.L.C. cannot read small fonts.

He is not very good at reading.

Big fonts have been useful so far.

J.L.C. did not understand the small fonts at all.

He seems to respond to big fonts as he can finally read some of the words.

Very hard to communicate without using big words.

He is also doesn't understand what the argument is.

He doesn't understand English?

Very sad he had to go to subpar beavercel preschool.

Even sadder he did not finish preschool.

You finally took a position, which is great. But now won't address its flaws, which is disappointing.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
J.L.C. does not understand what position I took.

Maybe he does not understand what a "position" is.

It is a rather big word after all.

Unfortunate. I thought perhaps we might finally have a discussion.
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Lots of retards like OP, especially in fear porn media running with that poorly worded sentence in the study.

Reality, which they acknowledge: they don't have data in their study to suggest ANY LEVEL of severity of Omicron. So they have no evidence Omicron is less severe than Delta, and they also have no evidence it is less severe than Ebola.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Lots of retards like OP, especially in fear porn media running with that poorly worded sentence in the study.

Reality, which they acknowledge: they don't have data in their study to suggest ANY LEVEL of severity of Omicron. So they have no evidence Omicron is less severe than Delta, and they also have no evidence it is less severe than Ebola.
But, the position taken by Anachron is that the protection afforded by previous infection and/or 2 or 3 doses of either AZ or Pfizer are equivalent, and zero, because that's the lower bound of the lowest 95% CI.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Sorry, I don't have "discussion" with people who are dumber than preschoolers.

I try to help by teaching them new words.

I also try to help them by using big font.

The big font helped as J.L.C. was playing dumb before I started using them.

I want to use the word "intellectually dishonest", but I now realize that both of those words are too big for J.L.C.

You've said that since I came back, so it was expected.

I thought maybe you'd try to support this particular claim. It's unsupportable, so I can understand bailing.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Lots of retards like OP, especially in fear porn media running with that poorly worded sentence in the study.

Reality, which they acknowledge: they don't have data in their study to suggest ANY LEVEL of severity of Omicron. So they have no evidence Omicron is less severe than Delta, and they also have no evidence it is less severe than Ebola.
The issue at hand is protection from previous infection vs protection from vaccines, which are separated into products and doses.

Are you disregarding that part of the study? Anachron's position is unrelated to severity and focused on zero protection from omicron infection from either previous infection or any of the classes of vaccination, which he bases on the lower bound of the 95% CI.

While I find it interesting that he contends previous infection and vaccination afford equivalent protection, I feel his argument is logically flawed for the reasons outlined above.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
J.L.C. still does not understand plain English:



Maybe he can try reading his own post again.

It does not say "0%".

Maybe he not only has difficulty reading, but counting as well?

Correct.

However, you argued that statements should be based on the lowest bound of any 95% CI and that both estimates should be zero based on that contention.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
But, the position taken by Anachron is that the protection afforded by previous infection and/or 2 or 3 doses of either AZ or Pfizer are equivalent, and zero, because that's the lower bound of the lowest 95% CI.
Why would I give a fuk about your back and forth with another miscer? I'm interested in spreading truth, exposing lies and lies cleverly disguised as half truths. But you have your pissing match all you like.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Shhh... He's just going REEEE because his intentional misleading was called out.
I shared a recent study.

You asserted a flawed argument and now refuse to discuss.
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