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08-15-2017, 09:25 AM
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Wonder what the odds are that any of these 4 guys is our starting QB next year: Rosen, Darnold, Jimmy G, Cousins.
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08-15-2017, 12:52 PM
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I've heard rumors from people close to Darnold that he's certainly no guarantee to come out next year.

There's also Luke Falk and Josh Allen and maybe Jake Browning next year.

It'll be nice if our young guys show some promise this year and then we add our potential franchise QB next year.
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08-15-2017, 01:03 PM
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I've heard rumors from people close to Darnold that he's certainly no guarantee to come out next year.

There's also Luke Falk and Josh Allen and maybe Jake Browning next year.

It'll be nice if our young guys show some promise this year and then we add our potential franchise QB next year.

Browning has 4 year starter written all over him. I'd be shocked if he comes out early. Plus I don't believe he's a true franchise QB at the next level. But he'll probably have a long career as a valued back up.
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08-15-2017, 01:09 PM
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I've heard rumors from people close to Darnold that he's certainly no guarantee to come out next year.

There's also Luke Falk and Josh Allen and maybe Jake Browning next year.

It'll be nice if our young guys show some promise this year and then we add our potential franchise QB next year.
Mason Rudolph is also in play.

I do think best thing for the team if we don't have #1 overall and have our pick of the litter(maybe even if we get #1) is to sign Cousins or Jimmy G if he's available and trade down for a chitload of picks.

Derwin James, Christian Kirk, Connor Williams, Tarvarus McFadden and Kevin Toliver would be great additions to fill out the roster.
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08-15-2017, 01:26 PM
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-he-quit-track


WTF? Looks like we got lucky and he will not be affected in the NFL or we at least hope? Then again this has nothing to do with football.
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08-16-2017, 09:17 AM
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It appears that Seattle is going to sign Brock. I can't help but laugh at that. They have grabbed Whilhote (spelling?), now Brock and a few others from us over the years.
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08-16-2017, 09:42 AM
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It appears that Seattle is going to sign Brock. I can't help but laugh at that. They have grabbed Whilhote (spelling?), now Brock and a few others from us over the years.

Quite in incestuous relationship between the two teams. Although Brock will most likely be competing for the 4th CB spot and might not make the team.
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08-16-2017, 09:54 AM
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-he-quit-track


WTF? Looks like we got lucky and he will not be affected in the NFL or we at least hope? Then again this has nothing to do with football.
Non story. 49ers released an official statement before that story even came out.

Cliffs:
Goodwin decided to stop doing track and field and concentrate on NFL
That included stopping telling the anti doping people dealing with track and field about where he is(kind of checking in for random drug tests)
49ers knew about this well in advance

He didn't fail anything just didn't show up for a test so they automatically assumed a fail test. NFL does the same chit, if you recall Brandon Browner had to deal with that after he thought he was done and didn't check in.
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08-16-2017, 07:58 PM
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Von Miller talk about Trent Brown is big ups, thats pretty generous although possibly correct.

I'm afraid this team will be better than last year, clearly our young talent is, but I think this team screams of a lack of identity. I think this year that will start to take shape but with our schedule and youth I am still nervous that this year will be rather bad record wise. Just looking forward to watching these young guys progress, so far we already had a better draft than many of the Baalke years if not all and thats after only one preseason game. Our draft haul this year seems to have very good potential lets hope they live up to it.
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08-17-2017, 12:26 PM
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And Skov is back… Because it appears the Foster is listed with a shoulder injury. Foster’s injury is an AC joint sprain.

Looks like Bowman got a stinger but is ok.


I love hearing that their are fights here and there.
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08-17-2017, 01:07 PM
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And Skov is back… Because it appears the Foster is listed with a shoulder injury. Foster’s injury is an AC joint sprain,
Fortunately it's not the surgically repaired shoulder
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08-17-2017, 01:08 PM
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Fortunately it's not the surgically repaired shoulder
I must have missed that. Are we sure?
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08-17-2017, 02:48 PM
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I must have missed that. Are we sure?
It's actually the same shoulder but an injury linebackers get all the time and it didn't even keep him out of the practice today or the game on Saturday. He'll be fine. People are just freaking out because it's the same shoulder. If this happened to any other LB nobody would worry at all.

Sprains will happen.
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08-17-2017, 10:25 PM
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I must have missed that. Are we sure?
Wtf I definitely read on twitter it wasn't the repaired shoulder. Guess they reported it wrong initially
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08-17-2017, 11:32 PM
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So do you guys see situations like Brock for instance as something along the lines of the 49ers being to quick to act on players who get into trouble with the law or are they just doing what they must?
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08-18-2017, 12:32 PM
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So do you guys see situations like Brock for instance as something along the lines of the 49ers being to quick to act on players who get into trouble with the law or are they just doing what they must?
That was a must move.

Let's be honest Brock isn't Patrick Peterson or Darrelle Revis in his prime. He was a decent corner but one the coaches coming in weren't that familiar with yet.

You get new of a domestic abuse charge that sounded pretty serious…the only move is to cut the dude. It's a perfect way to send a message where people can still technically say "well they cut a starter at a weak position" but really the truth is if say Joe Staley or DeForest Buckner had those accusations they wouldn't cut them and would play the long game with the "we are closely monitoring the situation"

And let's be real here…Brock is guilty as fuk. Anytime the victim "doesn't want to cooperate" they either got paid off or realized this dude is their meal ticket and they better suck it up. It may come off super insensitive and judgmental but the situation screams of it.
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08-18-2017, 12:45 PM
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I'm pretty excited for the game tomorrow, especially hearing that CJ is getting 2nd team reps after Hoyer, I hope he gets at least a solid quarter with like 4 drives at a minimum. He played well in the first game but Denver is no joke on defense and facing their 2nd stringers vs 3rd stringers against KC is a different challenge.

Would love for him to play well and continue what is apparently turning into a pretty solid camp for the rookie. If he can show enough to the coaches to win #2 maybe we'd roll the dice and roll with only 2 QBs on the roster. Nothing against Barkley but let's be honest he's a backup and if he can't beat out a rookie then why keep him around?

I'd rather take a chance we can go with 2 QBs on the roster and allow us to keep another player somewhere else to help us long term - Barkley is not in the long term plans.

The positions I'm most curious about are OL, WR and CB competitions.

WR is really tough due to what looks like a glutton of slot WRs.

Garcon is a lock
Goodwin is a lock
Kerley, Robinson, Taylor, Bolden are all slot guys but I feel like we really can't afford to keep 3 of them.
Burbridge was ST captain which means he's got a leg up on the other guys due to special team contributions but he's beat up right now…who can beat him out?
Deandre Smelter and Kendrick Bourne are the biggest receivers on the roster right now IIRC…do we keep either, both, neither?

I have a bad feeling one of Bolden and Bourne if not both will be cut with the hopes of stashing them on the PS but if they continue showing up well I don't see them making through waivers to sign to the PS.

I'm hoping with go with youth because I don't expect much this season but I know the coaches won't want to do that.

Who I'd like us to keep
Garcon, Goodwin, Kerley, Taylor, Bolden and Bourne

Who I think we keep
Garcon, Goodwin, Kerley, Robinson, Taylor, Burbridge
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08-18-2017, 01:16 PM
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I didn't know much about CJ other than the watching a couple of his games in college, but I cringed when they flashed his college stats during the 1st preseason game. 56% completion. Yikes. Lost almost all hope right then and there.
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08-18-2017, 01:26 PM
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I didn't know much about CJ other than the watching a couple of his games in college, but I cringed when they flashed his college stats during the 1st preseason game. 56% completion. Yikes. Lost almost all hope right then and there.
I wouldn't go off of that. Guys in pro systems typically have lower completion % than guys playing in spread systems so that's part of it. Also I guess Iowa lost a ton of talent for his senior year and he was getting killed out there. Lots of drops and guys not being able to get open.

They said part of what Shanahan liked about him was the toughness he showed despite the chit hand he was dealt last season and he was still competing late in games.

Junior year he had 61.6% completion. Tom Brady had a 61.9 and 61.0 completion% his junior and senior seasons respectively. Drew Brees who is one of the most accurate guys in the NFL averaged 61.1% as a starter and he actually played in a system closer to spread than a pro system.

He can definitely use some work but he's probably more accurate than Kaepernick who had a 64.9% completion his senior season.
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I wouldn't go off of that. Guys in pro systems typically have lower completion % than guys playing in spread systems so that's part of it. Also I guess Iowa lost a ton of talent for his senior year and he was getting killed out there. Lots of drops and guys not being able to get open.

They said part of what Shanahan liked about him was the toughness he showed despite the chit hand he was dealt last season and he was still competing late in games.

Junior year he had 61.6% completion. Tom Brady had a 61.9 and 61.0 completion% his junior and senior seasons respectively. Drew Brees who is one of the most accurate guys in the NFL averaged 61.1% as a starter and he actually played in a system closer to spread than a pro system.

He can definitely use some work but he's probably more accurate than Kaepernick who had a 64.9% completion his senior season.
I was making those same excuses for Christian Hackenberg. Feels bad man.
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08-18-2017, 01:35 PM
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I was making those same excuses for Christian Hackenberg. Feels bad man.
Not saying CJ is the next Brady(even though Trump thinks so) but Hackenberg was a complete disaster since day one with the Jets. CJ already is moving up over Barkley. He still has a looong way to go but if he's getting the coaches trust and plays well again he'll show a lot more than Hackenberg has so far…hell I think he already has.
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08-18-2017, 05:41 PM
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Tough as s—," Shanahan has said while describing what made Beathard such an attractive prospect. The quarterback's NFL story is just starting. There is no way to predict how it will end. He could end up being an NFL great, a career backup, or a complete bust. Only time will tell. While Shanahan has never made any bold predictions about his quarterback, he does feel that he has what it takes to succeed in the NFL – even if his numbers didn't always show it.

Statistics don't really factor into how Shanahan evaluates a quarterback. Apparently, they never have. The offensive genius has always preferred just simply watch the tape and see how prospects handle being thrown into tough situations. Beathard has seen his share of tough situations during his time at Iowa and that's what caught Shanahan's eye.

"You just watch every play and based on the opportunity that he was given on a play," Shanahan said Thursday during an interview on KNBR. "What was the end result and what was he capable of doing? I watched a lot of tape on him and, you're right, the offense wasn't that exciting. They didn't have a lot of talent around him.

"I saw a lot of games where I felt the receivers were manned up and people weren't open. I felt like they weren't blocking very well all the time for him and I saw a guy who still made plays. I saw a guy who, even when you watch the Florida bowl game, I've never seen a guy get hit as much as he did and it doesn't phase him. I know it would phase me. If I got hit that much, I'm definitely going to start looking different. When I can see someone going through that, you know, without even knowing them, alright, this guy's is tough enough to play in this league.

"And you watch him as a thrower and making stuff into tight windows. When there's not a lot of people open, you're not always going to have great stats and, in college, if you run that type of system, which I do like their type of system, but if you do, you're not going to have the same numbers as a lot of other people.

"I've had a lot of people ask me, 'Why don't you like this quarterback? He's so accurate.' I'll be like, 'He's not accurate at all.' And then they'll be like, 'He had a 75-percent completion percentage.' I'm like, 'Really? I had no idea.'

"Then I'll go watch the tape and then 24 of his 30 throws were screens and bubbles. Well, that's why I don't think that because he really had four throws in the game that I considered are NFL throws and they were all over the place. So you've got to look at it all and I think a guy like C.J. – me guessing because I don't know his stats – but that stuff is not going to show up like other people.

"But we did see the qualities that I think it takes to be successful in the NFL and we'll see how he develops them and how much he can handle the pressure week in and week out. When you have a tough guy who is smart and has the ability to make all the throws, I think he has a good chance to play in this league."
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08-19-2017, 07:06 PM
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so i decided to pay for NFL gamepass so i could watch the preseason games. will also be getting the Student Sunday Ticket. Looking forward to seeing CJ, JW, Breida, Bolden tonight.
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08-19-2017, 08:20 PM
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Pretty embarrassing showing in terms of turnovers. Sloppy. Defense played well but weren't getting any favors from the offense. Hopefully 2nd string offense actually scores some TDs and make the starters feel bad.

Hoyer….yikes dude.
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Eric Reid looked pretty good. Love that sack from tartt. Sadly I have nothing else that was exciting.
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Eric Reid looked pretty good. Love that sack from tartt. Sadly I have nothing else that was exciting.
Man I'm joking around about CJ Beathard being a stud but there's something to him. Great drive there, hope he keeps it up. Perfect pass to Robinson and great play to Kittle.

If he turns into a capable starter then we may have a historic type of draft.
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we got a diamond in the rough with Jerome. i love his instincts.

Hoyer didn't look bad, he made some NFL quality throws. That int wasn't on him, but that fumble…

Garcon had one catch that will epitomize his stay with us. tough catch inside.

Goodwin looks good.

Reid looks much more at ease in this defense.

Tank even flashed a bit.

Jones looks strong too.

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Man I'm joking around about CJ Beathard being a stud but there's something to him. Great drive there, hope he keeps it up. Perfect pass to Robinson and great play to Kittle.

If he turns into a capable starter then we may have a historic type of draft.

That play to kittle was sweet. Even better is kittle trucked a few dudes. That is refreshing.


I don't know what it is but I don't really like Witherspoon. I have not seen him jump or go after a pile. He looks decent in coverage but I don't see him going out of his way to hit someone. Maybe I am missing something?
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That play to kittle was sweet. Even better is kittle trucked a few dudes. That is refreshing.


I don't know what it is but I don't really like Witherspoon. I have not seen him jump or go after a pile. He looks decent in coverage but I don't see him going out of his way to hit someone. Maybe I am missing something?
He's not a physical dude and the knock on him was his tackling. I don't care if he's not going after piles though. Deion pulled the same chit. If Witherspoon can turn into a good cover corner and just not be a liability in the run that will be great.

I do like that Eli Harold is showing up well. Need him to keep it up.
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