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05-10-2018, 10:42 PM
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Can I get some pointers on taking portrait photos?

Specifically, a picture of someone from the chest up. The purpose is to show the person and not the environment. Kind of like those portraits of actors that casting directors would look at to see if they fit the required looks

I'm assuming I should use a normal wall as a background. But what else in terms of lighting, angles, camera settings, lens, etc?
All that stuff is subjective. I don't do portraits you'd need a wider aperture for better subject isolation. 50mm 1.8/85mm 1.8 are common portrait lenses. The further the subject is seperated from the background, the more blur you'll get.
As for lighting/flashes/sync I have no freaking clue, ask the advanced guys here, and watch Tony Northrup, Manny Ortiz, Matt Granger etc.
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05-11-2018, 05:42 AM
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Can I get some pointers on taking portrait photos?

Specifically, a picture of someone from the chest up. The purpose is to show the person and not the environment. Kind of like those portraits of actors that casting directors would look at to see if they fit the required looks

I'm assuming I should use a normal wall as a background. But what else in terms of lighting, angles, camera settings, lens, etc?
Go for natural light if you can.

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05-11-2018, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted By theACEofSPADES
Can I get some pointers on taking portrait photos?

Specifically, a picture of someone from the chest up. The purpose is to show the person and not the environment. Kind of like those portraits of actors that casting directors would look at to see if they fit the required looks

I'm assuming I should use a normal wall as a background. But what else in terms of lighting, angles, camera settings, lens, etc?
You need to post examples for better help. This is awfully generalised and for every 'rule' there are a slew of successful pictures that break it.

85mm at last (or 35mm format exquiv)
Wide aperture so the background isn't too distracting
Softish BUT DIRECTIONAL light
Pose subject slightly side on
Flat backgrounds are boring, depth is better
Subject's face should be biggest, brightest thing in the frame

Look up short and broad lighting then find a window. Outside has too many variables for a n00b.
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05-11-2018, 05:34 PM
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One from yesterday


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05-12-2018, 01:12 PM
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05-12-2018, 01:24 PM
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One from yesterday


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I like this one. Makes the car look almost like a fish.
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05-14-2018, 09:09 AM
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05-14-2018, 12:02 PM
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Get the book Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson, real solid and effective overview of the fundamentals of photography.
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Go for natural light if you can.
This is a solid advice for extreme beginners only, imho.

OCF is essential for decent portraits. While natural light can be great, understanding of the OCF and light management is essential.
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05-14-2018, 12:15 PM
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OCF is essential for decent portraits. While natural light can be great, understanding of the OCF and light management is essential.
I wouldn't say was essential but opens up options. Typically beginners go through a strobist phase where they produce awful green-screened looking overly lit pictures and get obsessed with gear/modifiers, like when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Using flash in a studio makes you learn lighting in a controlled way and you can then use these lighting patterns in situations you see with natural light. Often over time portrait/wedding photogs end up using less flash.
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05-14-2018, 12:50 PM
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I wouldn't say was essential but opens up options. Typically beginners go through a strobist phase where they produce awful green-screened looking overly lit pictures and get obsessed with gear/modifiers, like when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail.

Using flash in a studio makes you learn lighting in a controlled way and you can then use these lighting patterns in situations you see with natural light. Often over time portrait/wedding photogs end up using less flash.
Yeah, balance for the ******t is a pain in the rear, and does require patience and experience.

It is essential if you want to be able to shoot regardless of the time of the day. I mean, good luck shooting in a 2pm bright sunlight, if client (or just a general desire) requests exactly that.
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05-15-2018, 02:52 PM
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I mean, good luck shooting in a 2pm bright sunlight, if client (or just a general desire) requests exactly that.
I know this feel. This with no dark background anywhere to backlight and shoot onto is cruel torture Makes me wish I could have someone holding one of these all day



I actually use flash a lot on overcast days, 20-30% flash looks pretty natural and makes a huge difference in making the subject have some directional light on them and light in the eyes.
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05-16-2018, 07:14 AM
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right? Lately, I started employing the wife for the assistant purposes. Great workout for her, and a lot of help for me


I see BB still doesn't know how to fix the code, so I can't link from my site.

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mother nature trolled me; we were promised overcast sky, but got nothing but sunlight. :| shot at 1-2pm.



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05-16-2018, 08:41 AM
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I know this feel. This with no dark background anywhere to backlight and shoot onto is cruel torture Makes me wish I could have someone holding one of these all day

This option is fine when you have control of your backgrounds and obviously an assistant to position those diffusion panels but it can't do anything about highlights burning into areas of the background where the difference is several stops. If you expose for those backgrounds your diffused or shaded subject will be underexposed.

Portable light is the only practical solution and unlike years ago where you were limited by low flash sync speeds with manual flash (unless you had those fancy leaf shutter lenses on medium format) and the PITA of walking back and forth between lights today there are many affordable off camera lighting systems with 600W+ that offer full TTL control. And again unlike the days of Profoto, Broncolor, etc. where you'd have to hire most of that gear or sell a kidney to get one decent light and some modifiers there's now a boatload of Chinese systems that are affordable and work extremely well.
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05-16-2018, 08:47 AM
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This option is fine when you have control of your backgrounds and obviously an assistant to position those diffusion panels but it can't do anything about highlights burning into areas of the background where the difference is several stops. If you expose for those backgrounds your diffused or shaded subject will be underexposed.

Portable light is the only practical solution and unlike years ago where you were limited by low flash sync speeds with manual flash (unless you had those fancy leaf shutter lenses on medium format) and the PITA of walking back and forth between lights today there are many affordable off camera lighting systems with 600W+ that offer full TTL control. And again unlike the days of Profoto, Broncolor, etc. where you'd have to hire most of that gear or sell a kidney to get one decent light and some modifiers there's now a boatload of Chinese systems that are affordable and work extremely well.
Yeah with one of those I'd want flash too. Diffusing doesn't change the light direction.

All the godox type stuff is great for the price (love their lithium speedights) but you'd have to pry my actuteB2 600 from my cold dead hands with it's rock solid mount and pack/head. I never understood the fascination of TTL for strobes having my flash power varying everywhere when I change framing, fine for bounce flash with speedights. Profoto seem to have lost the plot recently with low powered battery flash systems with no bare bulb.
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05-16-2018, 08:49 AM
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Planned on purchasing a Canon 5d Mark IV. After seeing photos in here I'm contimplating the A7III.

Which one has the better high iso performance? I don't care about numbers. I only care about the output.

Shoot a lot of architecture and main complaint with current camera is noise in the dark areas. Especially in dark interiors.
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05-16-2018, 08:59 AM
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I wouldn't say was essential but opens up options. Typically beginners go through a strobist phase where they produce awful green-screened looking overly lit pictures and get obsessed with gear/modifiers, like when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail.
Good point. In addition to balancing the flash exposure with the ******t another skill is learning to use gels to correct the color temperature of flash so it blends with ******t light.

Nuking a subject with a cool flash when they're basking in warm afternoon light isn't a great look โ€” ditto for warm lighting indoors. Sometimes all it takes is a 1/2 or 3/4 CTO or straw gel to make it all look natural. A creative trick is deliberately making light extra cool by dialing in a WB around 3000K/tungsten and warming the subject up with a gel. This also works well at night with street scenes, like this:



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05-16-2018, 09:06 AM
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Planned on purchasing a Canon 5d Mark IV. After seeing photos in here I'm contimplating the A7III.

Which one has the better high iso performance? I don't care about numbers. I only care about the output.

Shoot a lot of architecture and main complaint with current camera is noise in the dark areas. Especially in dark interiors.
Surely for this you are on a tripod so not shooting at high iso? Clean shadows are not Canon's strong point so Sony (or Nikon) are your best options but keep in mind Canon easily has the best tilt/shift lenses.

For architecture I'd strongly look at a camera with pixel shift tech since nothing moves.
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05-16-2018, 10:00 AM
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I really feel that Joe's work is unoriginal. When he started, yes, what he shot was fantastic.. by those standards.
The other day, one of his SB-900 workshops came up, and his TTL use and results were quite underwhelming; I'd be unhappy with them if they were my own. :|

The sample shot above is also that. I really dislike the skin colour the dude has. :|
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05-16-2018, 11:14 AM
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Surely for this you are on a tripod so not shooting at high iso? Clean shadows are not Canon's strong point so Sony (or Nikon) are your best options but keep in mind Canon easily has the best tilt/shift lenses.

For architecture I'd strongly look at a camera with pixel shift tech since nothing moves.
100% tripod.

I was shooting an bracketed in an old dark theater and with low iso the exposures were minutes. As soon as I bumped the iso to get the exposure time reasonable I had all sorts of grain in the shadows. I have to constantly cap my iso. I'd like the flexibility to also use the camera to shoot my friends jujitsu but the lighting is usually horrible, and I can't capture a good shot without a chit ton of grain in the dark spots.


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05-16-2018, 11:26 AM
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Been on misc for years, for some reason never realized a photography thread existed.

I still consider myself a noob. I shoot primarily motorsports and cars. This was my most favorite shot from a local drift event I frequent here in the Northeast. Shot with a Canon 6D Mark II and a Canon 70-200mm f/4.

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05-16-2018, 11:51 AM
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100% tripod.

I was shooting an bracketed in an old dark theater and with low iso the exposures were minutes. As soon as I bumped the iso to get the exposure time reasonable I had all sorts of grain in the shadows. I have to constantly cap my iso. I'd like the flexibility to also use the camera to shoot my friends jujitsu but the lighting is usually horrible, and I can't capture a good shot without a chit ton of grain in the dark spots.


What would you recommend?
I still shoot a D800E and you can underexposure 5 stops, push it up in post and it looks almost indistinguishable from the higher iso correctly exposed version (a common test done online, have a google). Any Nikon camera D750 and up would do a great job at this and any higher end sony camera. DPreview does a cool comparison tool in their reviews where you can compare cameras in the same scene.
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05-16-2018, 06:51 PM
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I really feel that Joe's work is unoriginal. When he started, yes, what he shot was fantastic.. by those standards.
The other day, one of his SB-900 workshops came up, and his TTL use and results were quite underwhelming; I'd be unhappy with them if they were my own. :|

The sample shot above is also that. I really dislike the skin colour the dude has. :|
I wouldn't really judge the skin tones of his images until I saw them in print. With online images color can be all over the place especially if the profile is not embedded and even if it is some browsers will ignore it. Even with devices like phones certain colors will look more saturated than intended probably because a) color management is an afterthought and b) the average person taking happy snaps probably likes the way a flat digital image looks when all the colors are jacked up for them.

Regarding that image it's a creative effect at night so getting the skin tones perfect is going to be hit and miss especially with other artificial light sources bleeding in. I like the juxtaposition of an overly cool background with a warm foreground. It makes it a little more interesting than a conventional street photography shot at night which are a dime a dozen.

Joe's earned his reputation. Today it's a lot easier to be a photographer than when he was coming up. If photography went back to film and light meters I'd say 98% of the digital crowd would probably pack it in and find another hobby.
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Joe's earned his reputation. Today it's a lot easier to be a photographer than when he was coming up. If photography went back to film and light meters I'd say 98% of the digital crowd would probably pack it in and find another hobby.
can't agree more with this
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can't agree more with this
Just noticed on that page with the image we discussed skin tones look okay before the shift to tungsten WB + CTO gel.

He might have used a full cut of CTO when 1/2 or 1/2+1/4 might have been enough and overcooked it with saturation or it needed further WB tweaking. Another possibility is CTS (straw) might have worked better than CTO in that instance. It can get tricky with other light sources bleeding in.

Anyway I think it's a great creative technique when done right but I'd agree with you based purely on a JPEG viewed on my display the skin tones are a little off.

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sup boyos. just pulled the trigger on my first camera, a canon 80D. any must know tips for a beginner? also what are the easiest ways to start making photography a second stream of income? (obviously i know it'll take a lot of practice first, but just curious). my mom got a t3i back when they were new, here's a couples pics i took messing around with it in the fall. First time touching a real camera and fell in love, hence why i just bought this one lol




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Planning a trip from the 2nd to 6th/7th of June

Sacramento - Yosemite
Yosemite up 395 past Reno, Scenic drive to Redding
Redwoods near Klamath, Avenue of Giants, King's Range
Highway 1 down the coast
Muir Woods/ Golden Gate Bridge
Back to Sacramento


Will be my first trip with a 35mm, had a 50mm and found it wasn't as wide as I would like. I have a 10-24mm but wanted a prime to force me to move around and get creative. Have a 70-300mm as well that I'm not crazy about, but works well enough, saving up for the 150-600mm some day.

Anyways trying to come up with some photography goals, wanting to improve, other than working on composition, I need to work on my landscape sharpness, seems they are always just a hair blurry when you look closely. I hand-shoot 99% of the time, so breaking out the tripod should help alot, but I find tripods can make it so all your shots are eye-level, rather than different angles. Also our first kid turns 1 next Monday, and started walking around alot, will be my first time with the camera while he is around, good time to work on some people shots, generally never shoot people.

Open for any suggestions on some photography goals for this trip, or anything specific to hit up in the Northern California area, will post trip photos after they are processed in probably a month.
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I need to work on my landscape sharpness, seems they are always just a hair blurry when you look closely. I hand-shoot 99% of the time, so breaking out the tripod should help alot, but I find tripods can make it so all your shots are eye-level, rather than different angles .
A lot of people use them that way but the correct approach is to eyeball a composition handheld and then bring the tripod up to that height.

Carbon fiber can make a big difference in terms of weight and the lighter it is the more likely you'll bring it with you on a hike. I like Gitzo but there are a bunch of Chinese clones these days that are obviously better value so you don't have to drop DSLR money on a set of CF legs. A decent ball head with an Arca style quick release makes life easier too. An L-bracket lives on my cameras full time so I can quickly switch between landscape and portrait without flopping the head.

I also ditched the crappy little strap connectors that always seem to rattle when I'm shooting video and have a strap with an Arca clamp that attaches to the L-bracket which I can quickly remove when I switch to the tripod so there's nothing hanging off it and I shoot without a remote most of the time and just use a delay on the shutter button. One less thing to get snagged on something or fall off somewhere.

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Little details that don't really change the quality of the image but overall make life easier out there.
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I need to work on my landscape sharpness, seems they are always just a hair blurry when you look closely. I hand-shoot 99% of the time, so breaking out the tripod should help alot, but I find tripods can make it so all your shots are eye-level, rather than different angles.
On high res cameras you need to be at least 1/2x the 1/shutter speed rule ie. for 50mm you want to be at least 1/100th. This is with being very careful. Personally I find even with wider lenses below 1/125 can be risky. With landscapes and dof requiring stopping down means you are on a tripod basically all the time. This helps with composition too because you can use live view.

The good ones have multi-point leg angles



Buy a good head with arca swiss an QR plate. L bracket for the camera makes things more solid and easier switching landscape to horizontal. Cheap and small tripods are a total waste of money, even my gitzo 1325 with acratech head isn't really enough to hold a 70-200mm for critical work.

Don't forget to use mirror lockup!
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A lot of people use them that way but the correct approach is to eyeball a composition handheld and then bring the tripod up to that height.

Carbon fiber can make a big difference in terms of weight and the lighter it is the more likely you'll bring it with you on a hike. I like Gitzo but there are a bunch of Chinese clones these days that are obviously better value so you don't have to drop DSLR money on a set of CF legs. A decent ball head with an Arca style quick release makes life easier too. An L-bracket lives on my cameras full time so I can quickly switch between landscape and portrait without flopping the head.

I also ditched the crappy little strap connectors that always seem to rattle when I'm shooting video and have a strap with an Arca clamp that attaches to the L-bracket which I can quickly remove when I switch to the tripod so there's nothing hanging off it and I shoot without a remote most of the time and just use a delay on the shutter button. One less thing to get snagged on something or fall off somewhere.

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Little details that don't really change the quality of the image but overall make life easier out there.
Slick set-up. The Tripod I have is a Manfrotto - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Its not great, but has worked fine enough when I've needed it, Also just keep the quick release mounted on the camera 24/7 Have thought about those hiking stick mounts, obviously not as stable but more useful while hiking perhaps.

Originally Posted By zknarc
On high res cameras you need to be at least 1/2x the 1/shutter speed rule ie. for 50mm you want to be at least 1/100th. This is with being very careful. Personally I find even with wider lenses below 1/125 can be risky. With landscapes and dof requiring stopping down means you are on a tripod basically all the time. This helps with composition too because you can use live view.

The good ones have multi-point leg angles



Buy a good head with arca swiss an QR plate. L bracket for the camera makes things more solid and easier switching landscape to horizontal. Cheap and small tripods are a total waste of money, even my gitzo 1325 with acratech head isn't really enough to hold a 70-200mm for critical work.

Don't forget to use mirror lockup!
Good advice, need to pay more attention to settings, takes alot longer to set up the right shot than I spend on them, have a D7100 that I would like to set the 2 modes to a specific goal, I know it varies with each shot, but something that is better than Auto. Used Mirror lockup before on a couple starry night shots, but haven't gotten a remote shutter to work well yet, so I stray away from anything like that, with physically pushing the button causes it to move. I have a bluetooth or wifi attachment for the camera, but have never gotten it to work for **** with my phone, the app seems like ****, always going off and popping up, and seems to need a wifi signal to work, which doesn't exist when I'm out at a national park. Been disappointed with it so far, also eats the phone juice like crazy.

**** that reminds me that I need to clean my sensor, last trip I had a dust spec in a handful of pictures, have the kit just haven't used it yet. Lens could probably use a quick clean too, before the trip.

Appreciate the advice!

Reading some blogs, I reckon my mid-range filters could be part of the issue too, will be removing them unless the conditions warrant one, see if that helps my case.

Anyone else use 500px for pictures? I just enjoy the layout for viewing, but if I browse to long it makes me feel crappy about my own shots.

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Good advice, need to pay more attention to settings, takes alot longer to set up the right shot than I spend on them, have a D7100 that I would like to set the 2 modes to a specific goal, I know it varies with each shot, but something that is better than Auto. Used Mirror lockup before on a couple starry night shots, but haven't gotten a remote shutter to work well yet, so I stray away from anything like that, with physically pushing the button causes it to move. I have a bluetooth or wifi attachment for the camera, but have never gotten it to work for **** with my phone, the app seems like ****, always going off and popping up, and seems to need a wifi signal to work, which doesn't exist when I'm out at a national park. Been disappointed with it so far, also eats the phone juice like crazy.
Brah just spend the $25 on a cabled remote release. If that is too much use the self timer set to 2s or 5s.
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