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02-01-2023, 02:07 PM
#2431
Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
I follow some hunting specific forums and it has been interesting to me watching the debates on using 223 for deer sized game over the last 10 to 15 years. I started out as a skeptic, but I've seen too many field reports from guys taking pictures during the field dressing to think a 223 is not a viable option. Just about everyone that tries them with good bullets says they work and the only detractors seem to be those that haven't tried. This year I packed a 223 for the first time, because I wanted to see for myself. Unfortunately, we had a lot going on with the family during the deer season and I only got out once and only saw does. Maybe next year. I wouldn't limit my shots to 100 yards either. As an example, 77 TMK are reported to reliably expand down to around 1,900 fps. That will get me to 450 yards with my atmospherics (+-4,500 ft). If I had some safety factor and want to keep impact velocity above 2,000 fps, I can still get to 350 yards - a pretty long shot for most people.
now thats what i call a cool story. doesnt mean its a deer gun.
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02-01-2023, 02:08 PM
#2432
Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
PPU is very good ammo
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Bought several thousand rounds. Thanks my dudes
PPU is decent ammo. They've been making it a long time and I especially trust the reliability of their stuff in standard NATO cartridges like 5.56 and 9x19
Nothing super about it but it works
Nothing super about it but it works
See title.
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02-01-2023, 02:17 PM
#2433
Living in Wyoming is great for firearms usage, but man shipping things here can suck. It's been almost two weeks since my Brownell's order for my sling, extra mags and foregrip. Highways were closed due to wind and snow. Slowing FedEx down. Plus Brownell's took about 4 business days to ship my order for whatever reason.
If my sling doesn't come in soon, I might need an overhead crane installed in my place to help carry my AR with this LaRue upper. LOL
If my sling doesn't come in soon, I might need an overhead crane installed in my place to help carry my AR with this LaRue upper. LOL
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02-01-2023, 02:49 PM
#2434
Originally Posted By EDcellent⏩
You still plan on moving?
Living in Wyoming is great for firearms usage, but man shipping things here can suck. It's been almost two weeks since my Brownell's order for my sling, extra mags and foregrip. Highways were closed due to wind and snow. Slowing FedEx down. Plus Brownell's took about 4 business days to ship my order for whatever reason.
If my sling doesn't come in soon, I might need an overhead crane installed in my place to help carry my AR with this LaRue upper. LOL
If my sling doesn't come in soon, I might need an overhead crane installed in my place to help carry my AR with this LaRue upper. LOL
02-01-2023, 02:59 PM
#2435
Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
Nobody is using 223 for deer if they have another option. Unless they’re just trying to make a point like look at me I can kill a deer with .223.
I follow some hunting specific forums and it has been interesting to me watching the debates on using 223 for deer sized game over the last 10 to 15 years. I started out as a skeptic, but I've seen too many field reports from guys taking pictures during the field dressing to think a 223 is not a viable option. Just about everyone that tries them with good bullets says they work and the only detractors seem to be those that haven't tried. This year I packed a 223 for the first time, because I wanted to see for myself. Unfortunately, we had a lot going on with the family during the deer season and I only got out once and only saw does. Maybe next year. I wouldn't limit my shots to 100 yards either. As an example, 77 TMK are reported to reliably expand down to around 1,900 fps. That will get me to 450 yards with my atmospherics (+-4,500 ft). If I had some safety factor and want to keep impact velocity above 2,000 fps, I can still get to 350 yards - a pretty long shot for most people.
Forum traffic is already down, you trying to kill the MFC?
Forum traffic is already down, you trying to kill the MFC?
Nobody with a clue would argue that .223 is a “good” deer caliber.
I get it, back east the deer are small and you can shoot a lot of them and they’re easy to get so you don’t care as much.
Out here tags are harder to get, you’re allowed one deer a year. the last thing someone would do here is go and hunt with a less than optimal round. Which is what .223 is
I remember a dude killed a coues deer from like 800 with a .223. Stupid
02-01-2023, 03:04 PM
#2436
Originally Posted By Bo_Flecks⏩
You want something to die, you shoot it with expanding ammo. End thread
55gr FMJ traveling at 3,200+ FPS does an excellent job on soft target exotic game. For most hunting applications, tho, 62gr bonded soft points are superior. Heavy OTM is good, too, but loses some advantages due to being less barrier blind.
02-01-2023, 03:08 PM
#2437
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
I will aware you on something… by saying soft target “exotic game”, I wasn’t talking about lions, zebras, and giraffes.
You want something to die, you shoot it with expanding ammo. End thread
02-01-2023, 03:17 PM
#2438
Originally Posted By Bo_Flecks⏩
I knew exactly what you
I will aware you on something… by saying soft target “exotic game”, I wasn’t talking about lions, zebras, and giraffes.
Meant. But that doesn’t change anything. If you want to drop “exotic” game youd use expanding ammo.
02-01-2023, 03:19 PM
#2439
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
So are you saying that 55gr M193 won’t kill a man? I’m having a difficult time following your point.
I understand. But that doesn’t change anything. If you want to drop “exotic” game youd use expanding ammo.
02-01-2023, 03:19 PM
#2440
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
.223 is a perfectly capable deer round, with proper ammo. There's always a better caliber, all the way down the line to .45-70 or whatever monster caliber is legal. Everyone is aware of that.
Nobody is using 223 for deer if they have another option. Unless they’re just trying to make a point like look at me I can kill a deer with .223.
Nobody with a clue would argue that .223 is a “good” deer caliber.
I get it, back east the deer are small and you can shoot a lot of them and they’re easy to get so you don’t care as much.
Out here tags are harder to get, you’re allowed one deer a year. the last thing someone would do here is go and hunt with a less than optimal round. Which is what .223 is
I remember a dude killed a coues deer from like 800 with a .223. Stupid
Nobody with a clue would argue that .223 is a “good” deer caliber.
I get it, back east the deer are small and you can shoot a lot of them and they’re easy to get so you don’t care as much.
Out here tags are harder to get, you’re allowed one deer a year. the last thing someone would do here is go and hunt with a less than optimal round. Which is what .223 is
I remember a dude killed a coues deer from like 800 with a .223. Stupid
Whitetail get larger the further north you go, east or west has little difference. They often reach well over 200 lbs in my region.
02-01-2023, 03:21 PM
#2441
Originally Posted By Bo_Flecks⏩
Bro, serious? Of course not.
So are you saying that 55gr M193 won’t kill a man? I’m having a difficult time following your point.
But I am saying that 55gr v max would do it better
If you want something to die you use expanding ammo. This isn’t new
02-01-2023, 03:23 PM
#2442
Originally Posted By Brozef⏩
45-70 ballistics are trash why would someone use that for deer?
.223 is a perfectly capable deer round, with proper ammo. There's always a better caliber, all the way down the line to .45-70 or whatever monster caliber is legal. Everyone is aware of that.
Whitetail get larger the further north you go, east or west has little difference. They often reach well over 200 lbs in my region.
Whitetail get larger the further north you go, east or west has little difference. They often reach well over 200 lbs in my region.
02-01-2023, 03:25 PM
#2443
You want the energy to be dumped into the target not into the dirt behind it.
Surely the MFC knows this basic information
Surely the MFC knows this basic information
02-01-2023, 03:27 PM
#2444
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
I shot a buck with a 45-70 hollow point from about 30yards back in the day. Bullet did not exit. The buck dropped like a rock lol
45-70 ballistics are trash why would someone use that for deer?
See title.
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02-01-2023, 03:30 PM
#2445
Originally Posted By Lefticle⏩
Hell yeah I bet it did
I shot a buck with a 45-70 hollow point from about 30yards back in the day. Bullet did not exit. The buck dropped like a rock lol
02-01-2023, 03:33 PM
#2446
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
Bruh are you just trolling now or what.
45-70 ballistics are trash why would someone use that for deer?
There is some great 45-70 hunting ammo out now.
It's popular in states that only allow straight wall cartridges for rifle season on deer.
02-01-2023, 03:35 PM
#2447
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
That’s why I said that 62gr bonded soft points (Fusion/Bear Claw) are superior to 55gr FMJ. I truly had no idea where you were going with the expanding ammo thing.
Bro, serious? Of course not.
But I am saying that 55gr v max would do it better
If you want something to die you use expanding ammo. This isn’t new
But I am saying that 55gr v max would do it better
If you want something to die you use expanding ammo. This isn’t new
I didn’t know if you were one of those “55gr FMJ is just a plinking round” guys. History proves that wrong.
02-01-2023, 03:38 PM
#2448
Originally Posted By Brozef⏩
Brah I’m talking about optimal hunting rounds. Not going out and finding out if it will kill like a 223. Also Not what you have to use in some poverty states like iowa. 350 legend or whatever the **** it’s cAlled is the most popular straight wall I think.
Bruh are you just trolling now or what.
There is some great 45-70 hunting ammo out now.
It's popular in states that only allow straight wall cartridges for rifle season on deer.
There is some great 45-70 hunting ammo out now.
It's popular in states that only allow straight wall cartridges for rifle season on deer.
where most of guys are is basically what I would consider urban hunting.
02-01-2023, 03:45 PM
#2449
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
Brah I’m talking about optimal hunting rounds. Not going out and finding out if it will kill like a 223. Also Not what you have to use in some poverty states like iowa. 350 legend or whatever the **** it’s cAlled is the most popular straight wall I think.
where most of guys are is basically what I would consider urban hunting.
where most of guys are is basically what I would consider urban hunting.
Most hunters I know use .270, .308 or .30-06 etc.
I'm not saying .223 is ideal, just that it's capable.
Not sure what you're getting at with the urban hunting comment.
02-01-2023, 03:46 PM
#2450
Originally Posted By Brozef⏩
This is why I have had him on ignore for awhile.
Bruh are you just trolling now or what.
He's a combo of sometimes trolling and sometimes trying to comment outside of his knowledge base that is too tiring to bother with
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02-01-2023, 03:48 PM
#2451
Originally Posted By Bo_Flecks⏩
I’m sorry
That’s why I said that 62gr bonded soft points (Fusion/Bear Claw) are superior to 55gr FMJ. I truly had no idea where you were going with the expanding ammo thing.
I didn’t know if you were one of those “55gr FMJ is just a plinking round” guys. History proves that wrong.
I didn’t know if you were one of those “55gr FMJ is just a plinking round” guys. History proves that wrong.
02-01-2023, 03:56 PM
#2452
Originally Posted By Brozef⏩
I'm hoping to. I not only want to monkey branch to a different Caterpillar company for a sweet bump in pay, but also get out of Casper. I absolutely love Wyoming, but work is tough to find out here and Casper is a white trash hellhole with massive income disparities, substance abuse issues (alcohol and meth) and on a personal level I miss the dating and night life of a city.
You still plan on moving?
Outside of Casper and Cheyenne, finding good paying work outside of an oil field can be hard. Cody and Gillette are my ideal places to live, but are more expensive to live in and harder to find good paying work.
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02-01-2023, 04:09 PM
#2453
Originally Posted By Brozef⏩
I care too much about the animals I hunt to use anything less than ideal.
Most hunters I know use .270, .308 or .30-06 etc.
I'm not saying .223 is ideal, just that it's capable.
Not sure what you're getting at with the urban hunting comment.
I'm not saying .223 is ideal, just that it's capable.
Not sure what you're getting at with the urban hunting comment.
I mean hunting farms, near farm houses, near homes of any kind, shots 100 yards and in. I’m guessing that’s why Iowa only allows straight wall.
02-01-2023, 04:15 PM
#2454
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I would never put you on ignore.
This is why I have had him on ignore for awhile.
He's a combo of sometimes trolling and sometimes trying to comment outside of his knowledge base that is too tiring to bother with
He's a combo of sometimes trolling and sometimes trying to comment outside of his knowledge base that is too tiring to bother with
I wouldn’t want to miss you posting pics of your 10 home fire extinguishers again.
Or that time during the plandemic when you posted a pic of yourself wearing one of them ridiculous painters masks with the filters on the sides and like hockey gloves because you were so afraid of covid.
I only check in here cuz you’re a fruit loop and I like to lol at your psychosis.
But occasionally, like today there’s something I’m interested in being talked about
02-01-2023, 04:16 PM
#2455
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02-01-2023, 05:47 PM
#2456
I bought the cmmg .22LR conversion kit, along with 500 rounds of Norma ammo. At 7 cents a round, I think I'll become a quick fan of .22 to plink and practice with.
I never shot AAC before, so I bought 100 rounds in 5.56 for 40 cents a round as well. I've heard good things about them, and the price was right.
I never shot AAC before, so I bought 100 rounds in 5.56 for 40 cents a round as well. I've heard good things about them, and the price was right.
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02-01-2023, 07:51 PM
#2457
Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
X2. My old man had hunted deer for decades with his Sako .243 which kicks 223 ass every day of the week and twice on sundays for deer. And even he had to be very good with his shot. And when he took a deer it had to be tracked for quite a bit. He’s probably the best shot I’ve ever seen in my life so there’s that. I’ve used 30-06 for decades and almost every deer I’ve taken sits after a shot. No tracking. But will be using the 300blk first chance I get. 223 is not for deer. Period.
Nobody is using 223 for deer if they have another option. Unless they’re just trying to make a point like look at me I can kill a deer with .223.
Nobody with a clue would argue that .223 is a “good” deer caliber.
I get it, back east the deer are small and you can shoot a lot of them and they’re easy to get so you don’t care as much.
Out here tags are harder to get, you’re allowed one deer a year. the last thing someone would do here is go and hunt with a less than optimal round. Which is what .223 is
I remember a dude killed a coues deer from like 800 with a .223. Stupid
Nobody with a clue would argue that .223 is a “good” deer caliber.
I get it, back east the deer are small and you can shoot a lot of them and they’re easy to get so you don’t care as much.
Out here tags are harder to get, you’re allowed one deer a year. the last thing someone would do here is go and hunt with a less than optimal round. Which is what .223 is
I remember a dude killed a coues deer from like 800 with a .223. Stupid
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02-01-2023, 07:59 PM
#2458
Originally Posted By Horse86⏩
How many deer have you shot with .223?
X2. My old man had hunted deer for decades with his Sako .243 which kicks 223 ass every day of the week and twice on sundays for deer. And even he had to be very good with his shot. And when he took a deer it had to be tracked for quite a bit. He’s probably the best shot I’ve ever seen in my life so there’s that. I’ve used 30-06 for decades and almost every deer I’ve taken sits after a shot. No tracking. But will be using the 300blk first chance I get. 223 is not for deer. Period.
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02-01-2023, 08:01 PM
#2459
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Wouldn’t be that stupid. Especially knowing what I just said about .243
How many deer have you shot with .223?
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02-01-2023, 08:18 PM
#2460
There are whole threads on Rokslide.com dedicated to hunting with a .223 77gr Siera Matchking out of a Tikka T3X.
You start to get diminishing returns on your rifle the bigger you go.
More cost, more recoil, accuracy loss from reduced familiarity, etc.
Guys buy 4 lbs 338 Lapuas or 300 RUMs and won't even sight them in without a sled.
You start to get diminishing returns on your rifle the bigger you go.
More cost, more recoil, accuracy loss from reduced familiarity, etc.
Guys buy 4 lbs 338 Lapuas or 300 RUMs and won't even sight them in without a sled.
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