09-06-2023, 09:43 PM
#2611
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Satriale is, to my ears, first and foremost a blues guitarist who tries to throw in other chit in there to take up 80s shredder space. I have heard a blues jam between him and steve vai where it was clear that his phrasing for that stuff is way better than Steve's but blue rock phrasing also only does so much for me because it's been so overly mined. It's one of the most over-used guitar styles ever. And I think Van Halen was much better at it.
If you treat music like a sport then yes and that was the general consensus back then — the student had eclipsed the teacher. However all these years later I don't see it that way at all and I love both of those guys equally. Steve isn't as adept as Joe at writing songs with memorable melodic hooks and usually puts that quirky Zappa thing on it which I can appreciate but many don't. Joe can hang with anyone on a blues jam where Steve himself would even admit he's not comfortable at all.
I thought this was one of Vai's best.
[youtube]LVW0lmpoMX4[youtube]
And with DLR:
[youtube]c9LlPOFcy4A[youtube]
I thought this was one of Vai's best.
[youtube]LVW0lmpoMX4[youtube]
And with DLR:
[youtube]c9LlPOFcy4A[youtube]
Satriale never stands out to me in terms of his melodies or anything, they just don't ever excite my ears. But I also don't really care that much for Jeff Beck which my other guitar buddies think I'm insane for but I just don't really care for him either.
That Vai track was decent. I did rather like him with Roth. I like that Lovegun solo.
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09-06-2023, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Come on mang the Norwood Reaper went in dry on Scalpriani. Not much he could do there.
That stupid bald head with the space sunglasses aesthetic just bugs me to no end.
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Hey there's a reason why I put that trigger warning up. I know you don't like the man.
I do recognize that he has great rock-blues phrasing, that to me is his saving grace. And yes he has great tone and execution of the bends and vibrato is great but those melodies he likes are so fukking cheesy to my ears. Every single one of them with the exception of Crystal Planet which I just like for my own idiosyncratic reasons. But the licks, the melodies, the progressions, the ultra cheesy drum-beats just do not jive to me with his popularity and reputation. There is not a single thing that Schmoe does isn't done better by his contemporaries as far as I can tell but of course that is my own opinion lol.
"Dedicated to the musician that changed my Life."
Rick destroys Joe in the chops department but who composed the music? All this stuff should serve the song anyway. The song should come first.
09-06-2023, 09:49 PM
#2613
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
I agree Rick Graham is not a great composer. If forced to listen to him or Schmoe in terms of entire songs I would choose the Schmoe believe it or not.
Come on mang the Norwood Reaper went in dry on Scalpriani. Not much he could do there.
Hey there's a reason why I put that trigger warning up. I know you don't like the man.
"Dedicated to the musician that changed my Life."
Rick destroys Joe in the chops department but who composed the music? All this stuff should serve the song anyway. The song should come first.
[youtube]9pSB9b73i9o[youtube]
Hey there's a reason why I put that trigger warning up. I know you don't like the man.
"Dedicated to the musician that changed my Life."
Rick destroys Joe in the chops department but who composed the music? All this stuff should serve the song anyway. The song should come first.
[youtube]9pSB9b73i9o[youtube]
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09-06-2023, 09:50 PM
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Joe's response:
"Great playing Rick! I don't think I've ever heard anyone cover this song of mine. You've elevated it in many ways. I'm honored."
"Great playing Rick! I don't think I've ever heard anyone cover this song of mine. You've elevated it in many ways. I'm honored."
09-06-2023, 10:00 PM
#2615
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Sure but it's still an art form and not everyone is convincing at it. It's like many people think AC/DC is simple but when they cover it, it never sounds right.
blue rock phrasing also only does so much for me because it's been so overly mined. It's one of the most over-used guitar styles ever.
I remember seeing that Musiciswin guy at that "Guitcon" youtuber thing a few years back. They had jam nights where they'd get up and play Hendrix, AC/DC, etc. and he completely chit the bed. Even Tom Quayle's legato runs over Little Wing were way out of place. Phil X held it together. You could see the massive difference between a youtuber/bedroom player and a professional musician.
Jump to 30 minutes in. The money shot is not far away.
09-06-2023, 10:02 PM
#2616
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
I can't help to compare Satriale's phrasing to his contemporaries and as I said before I think ol Eddie had him beat by a country mile. I still have difficulty figuring out Eddie's blues rock phrasing but Satriale's licks do no mind-bending at all.
Sure but it's still an art form and not everyone is convincing at it. It's like many people think AC/DC is simple but when they cover it, it never sounds right.
I remember seeing that Musiciswin guy at that "Guitcon" youtuber thing a few years back. They had jam nights where they'd get up and play Hendrix, AC/DC, etc. and he completely chit the bed. Even Tom Quayle's legato runs over Little Wing was hard to listen to. Phil X held it together. You could see the massive difference between a youtuber/bedroom player and a professional musician.
I remember seeing that Musiciswin guy at that "Guitcon" youtuber thing a few years back. They had jam nights where they'd get up and play Hendrix, AC/DC, etc. and he completely chit the bed. Even Tom Quayle's legato runs over Little Wing was hard to listen to. Phil X held it together. You could see the massive difference between a youtuber/bedroom player and a professional musician.
I do acknowledge that being adept at blues-rock phrasing is an art and can really button up someone's overall sound when they're good at it. I think John Mayer is a good example of this.
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09-06-2023, 10:06 PM
#2617
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Little Wing is also one of the most unforgiving songs to play a solo on, it's almost impossible not to sound like a try-hard hack on it and 100% Quayle is not the right man for this job lmfao. His solo there makes me want to kill myself just to relieve the agony of listening to that cringe and I normally love his chit.
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09-06-2023, 11:42 PM
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Vai is technically and harmonically more complex than Satch, and he had the hits with Lee Roth, and you can't deny his time with Zappa rubbed off on him, Zappa found a prodigy in him.
Joe I remember fondly for his tone and melodic lines. He was the working man's guitar teacher and he taught a few of the greats, Vai himself of course, Alex Skolnick, Hammet (lol). He's probably got the best guitar instrumental album ever released, and chicks actually dig Always With Me, Always With You. Satch would admit his chops were never at Vai's level, but I've heard players with chops beyond both who can't write decent music to save their lives.
Satch tells more of a narrative with his music, Vai for sheer chops and Zappa-esque out of the box stuff and experimentalism.
It's quite the experience to see Vai live. He's just bonkers, it's like a circus and burlesque show along with the music. I saw him in 2004 when I was barely into my teens.
P.S As for Malmsteen, he's the exemplar of what I meant when I called the 80's shred trite and old-hat. Great chops, but I think his basic-bitch sweep arpeggios and harmonic minor scales get old after awhile. Plus, the dude was just a prick. Remember that interview where he just bashed nearly every guitarist he was listening to, without knowing their names prior?
Joe I remember fondly for his tone and melodic lines. He was the working man's guitar teacher and he taught a few of the greats, Vai himself of course, Alex Skolnick, Hammet (lol). He's probably got the best guitar instrumental album ever released, and chicks actually dig Always With Me, Always With You. Satch would admit his chops were never at Vai's level, but I've heard players with chops beyond both who can't write decent music to save their lives.
Satch tells more of a narrative with his music, Vai for sheer chops and Zappa-esque out of the box stuff and experimentalism.
It's quite the experience to see Vai live. He's just bonkers, it's like a circus and burlesque show along with the music. I saw him in 2004 when I was barely into my teens.
P.S As for Malmsteen, he's the exemplar of what I meant when I called the 80's shred trite and old-hat. Great chops, but I think his basic-bitch sweep arpeggios and harmonic minor scales get old after awhile. Plus, the dude was just a prick. Remember that interview where he just bashed nearly every guitarist he was listening to, without knowing their names prior?
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
09-07-2023, 12:31 AM
#2619
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Did you hear the Music is Win solo right after Quayle? That was rough.
Little Wing is also one of the most unforgiving songs to play a solo on, it's almost impossible not to sound like a try-hard hack on it and 100% Quayle is not the right man for this job lmfao. His solo there makes me want to kill myself just to relieve the agony of listening to that cringe and I normally love his chit.
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
That's what it comes down to for me. The music. Either you like it or you don't. Satriani has a respectable body of work, especially in that 80s/early 90s period I mentioned earlier.
Satch would admit his chops were never at Vai's level, but I've heard players with chops beyond both
who can't write decent music to save their lives
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09-07-2023, 09:59 AM
#2620
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Okay I just listened to it, this is the ghost of Rollerball because I killed myself instantly due to the agony of exposure to Music is Win’s solo.
Did you hear the Music is Win solo right after Quayle? That was rough.
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09-07-2023, 10:27 AM
#2621
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
He's raked in millions off guitar lessons but completely sh*t the bed live playing some blues.
Okay I just listened to it, this is the ghost of Rollerball because I killed myself instantly due to the agony of exposure to Music is Win’s solo.
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09-07-2023, 10:28 AM
#2622
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Kill it with fire!
He's raked in millions off guitar lessons but completely sh*t the bed live playing some blues.
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09-07-2023, 11:29 AM
#2624
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
I was being facetious because you specified legato is off limits, lol.
Lol you know what I want buddy, blistering fusion shred - either Mahavishnu Orchestra style or shredding over some challenging tune like Cherokee. Lmao.
Bebop would be cool too, if you can play that style.
Bebop would be cool too, if you can play that style.
This is the backing track I used. I think he lifted it because of missing and wrong chords listed, but cool jam.
Deepfat: "I guarantee I beat you by at least 6 strokes. Afterwards, I'll slide my thick conservative cawk in your old lady just to finish the job."
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09-07-2023, 11:36 AM
#2625
Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Badass man, I knew you wouldn't disappoint. This sounds fukking great, obviously the shredding around 1:47 is what I'm most interested in but also your tone is great. Also really like the lines starting at 2:20.
I was being facetious because you specified legato is off limits, lol.
[youtube]AbT8FdyujhM[youtube]
This is the backing track I used. I think he lifted it because of missing and wrong chords listed, but cool jam.
[youtube]AIdOGCl5Hak[youtube]
[youtube]AbT8FdyujhM[youtube]
This is the backing track I used. I think he lifted it because of missing and wrong chords listed, but cool jam.
[youtube]AIdOGCl5Hak[youtube]
Man I want to be able to improvise freely like this over fusion tracks, when will it be my turn??
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09-08-2023, 09:02 AM
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The BALLS comments are all directed at me but I'm happy to let my nuts hang in this thread.
Couple of reasons why I haven't bothered. While I can appreciate it I don't do the rapid fire picking/shred thing. What's important to me listening to other guitarists and my own playing, the stuff I spoke about with Satriani, bending, vibrato, etc. doesn't gain much traction here. I don't really want to share any original stuff until I commit to a finished product so that leaves playing someone else's music. I'm down for that.
Couple of reasons why I haven't bothered. While I can appreciate it I don't do the rapid fire picking/shred thing. What's important to me listening to other guitarists and my own playing, the stuff I spoke about with Satriani, bending, vibrato, etc. doesn't gain much traction here. I don't really want to share any original stuff until I commit to a finished product so that leaves playing someone else's music. I'm down for that.
09-08-2023, 09:25 AM
#2627
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Lol I had to delete my fusion recording post, I was beyond drunk.
The BALLS comments are all directed at me but I'm happy to let my nuts hang in this thread.
Couple of reasons why I haven't bothered. While I can appreciate it I don't do the rapid fire picking/shred thing. What's important to me listening to other guitarists and my own playing, the stuff I spoke about with Satriani, bending, vibrato, etc. doesn't gain much traction here. I don't really want to share any original stuff until I commit to a finished product so that leaves playing someone else's music. I'm down for that.
Couple of reasons why I haven't bothered. While I can appreciate it I don't do the rapid fire picking/shred thing. What's important to me listening to other guitarists and my own playing, the stuff I spoke about with Satriani, bending, vibrato, etc. doesn't gain much traction here. I don't really want to share any original stuff until I commit to a finished product so that leaves playing someone else's music. I'm down for that.
The BALLS comment actually isn’t you specific but you are certainly included lol, I just want to brow-beat everyone in this thread who can actually play. Obviously bodhy not included since he can’t actually play.
But it is time, Dom. It is time for you to share your Always With Me Always With You sensibilities.
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09-08-2023, 09:39 AM
#2628
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Will do. That reminds me, I've only recently started playing songs again instead of my own stuff or just improvising over changes. As in learning parts properly and playing them usually with my own take on the solo but otherwise sticking to what's recorded. Requires discipline and rapidly elevates your playing. The loop pedal has been getting a decent workout lately.
But it is time, Dom. It is time for you to share your Always With Me Always With You sensibilities.
As I mentioned a few posts back I want to get one of those Zoom or Tascam multitracks so I can work on guitar parts away from the computer and then dump it all into the DAW to add other instruments then mix it. I spoke about this years ago but one of the best things you can do is split/DI the dry signal to a separate track so you can reamp later. That way once you've got the performance in the can you can nerd out on dialing in the perfect tone (for the mix) later.
09-08-2023, 09:42 AM
#2629
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Wait, Tascam stand-alone recording devices still actually exist?? Like with the faders and everything?
Will do. That reminds me, I've only recently started playing songs again instead of my own stuff or just improvising over changes. As in learning parts properly and playing them usually with my own take on the solo but otherwise sticking to what's recorded. Requires discipline and rapidly elevates your playing. The loop pedal has been getting a decent workout lately.
As I mentioned a few posts back I want to get one of those Zoom or Tascam multitracks so I can work on guitar parts away from the computer and then dump it all into the DAW to add other instruments then mix it. I spoke about this years ago but one of the best things you can do is split/DI the dry signal to a separate track so you can reamp later. That way once you've got the performance in the can you can nerd out on dialing in the perfect tone (for the mix) later.
As I mentioned a few posts back I want to get one of those Zoom or Tascam multitracks so I can work on guitar parts away from the computer and then dump it all into the DAW to add other instruments then mix it. I spoke about this years ago but one of the best things you can do is split/DI the dry signal to a separate track so you can reamp later. That way once you've got the performance in the can you can nerd out on dialing in the perfect tone (for the mix) later.
I totally thought smartphones and tablets would have destroyed that market utterly.
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09-08-2023, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
They still exist. They also sell gear designed for live mixing but with recording functionality built in and some of them can control your DAW with start, stop, rec, etc.
Wait, Tascam stand-alone recording devices still actually exist?? Like with the faders and everything?
I totally thought smartphones and tablets would have destroyed that market utterly.
I totally thought smartphones and tablets would have destroyed that market utterly.
What the bigger ones look like:
09-08-2023, 09:53 AM
#2631
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
It’s like opening up a time capsule from the early 90s.
They still exist. They also sell gear designed for live mixing but with recording functionality built in and some of them can control your DAW with start, stop, rec, etc.
What the bigger ones look like:
What the bigger ones look like:
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09-08-2023, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Howdy Dom….
Couple of reasons why I haven't bothered. While I can appreciate it I don't do the rapid fire picking/shred thing. What's important to me listening to other guitarists and my own playing, the stuff I spoke about with Satriani, bending, vibrato, etc. doesn't gain much traction here.
I don't really want to share any original stuff until I commit to a finished product
so that leaves playing someone else's music. I'm down for that.
Agreed, I've never had the desire to play any'rapid fire picking/shred thing'.
We all have our own propensities.
I prefer just being a good rhythm player/song writer.
That, of course, would be determined by any generous listeners to any of our originals.
Cool….look forward to hearing a finished original.
It takes some perseverance and discipline to flesh out a good song or composition.
Then, we may hope that our peers with find it has some creative or musical merit.
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09-08-2023, 10:28 AM
#2633
Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
You could make the argument musicians were more resourceful and creative working within the limitations of those things vs. unlimited tracks with digital. Not to mention having a certain amount of studio time booked vs. recording at home with the luxury of months to finish a project.
It’s like opening up a time capsule from the early 90s.
Back in Black was written and recorded in 7 weeks.
09-08-2023, 10:43 AM
#2634
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
If anything, the only thing modern digital recording has done has lowered the bar for talentless hacks to flood the market with absolute chit music while not increasing the amount of good music being produced at all.
You could make the argument musicians were more resourceful and creative working within the limitations of those things vs. unlimited tracks with digital. Not to mention having a certain amount of studio time booked vs. recording at home with the luxury of months to finish a project.
Back in Black was written and recorded in 7 weeks.
Back in Black was written and recorded in 7 weeks.
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09-08-2023, 11:02 AM
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do any of y'all play much acoustic stuff? Since I bought that new taylor back in July, it's all I've been playing. I've only plugged in a few of my Pauls a handful of times.
Mostly do strumming and some flat picked lines & solos, but I'm trying to work on upping my finger picking game a bit.
also, I saw this the other day and lol'd
Mostly do strumming and some flat picked lines & solos, but I'm trying to work on upping my finger picking game a bit.
also, I saw this the other day and lol'd
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#2636
Originally Posted By Woody-5⏩
I sold my Martin OM28 and I kinda miss it ngl.
do any of y'all play much acoustic stuff? Since I bought that new taylor back in July, it's all I've been playing. I've only plugged in a few of my Pauls a handful of times.
Mostly do strumming and some flat picked lines & solos, but I'm trying to work on upping my finger picking game a bit.
also, I saw this the other day and lol'd
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Mostly do strumming and some flat picked lines & solos, but I'm trying to work on upping my finger picking game a bit.
also, I saw this the other day and lol'd
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And lol at that pic.
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09-08-2023, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
If anything, the only thing modern digital recording has done has lowered the bar for talentless hacks to flood the market with absolute chit music while not increasing the amount of good music being produced at all.
It's not digital that did that it's the Internet. And here we're are
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09-09-2023, 11:03 AM
#2638
Originally Posted By bignpisst⏩
Digital tech has definitely allowed plebs with absolutely zero musical skill or training be able to cobble together chit through DAWs and plugins to such a degree that it's dumbed down modern pop-music across the board.
It's not digital that did that it's the Internet. And here we're are
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09-10-2023, 12:32 AM
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Here's another drunken pass at trying to improvise over that fusion track that z4v4 crushed so easily. I tried to use some of the ideas I think I heard in his effortless solo.
Improvisation clearly isn't my strong suit. I haven't spent a whole lot of time on it historically but I've been trying to improve lately.
In the track I try to throw different approaches while trying to avoid just playing the same licks and patterns I always do - and clearly there are times where I utterly fail. Particularly any part where I try to throw in faster picking which I just fall flat on my face with and it sounds terrible and you can hear the obvious change when I give up on it several times.
Also any attempts at chromaticism really don't work out. I can hear it to some degree in my head but my fingers just don't know where to go since I'm doing this all by ear with little theory application. I need to learn more scales.
I do think I have a couple moments here and there though for being such an improvisation noob.
Improvisation clearly isn't my strong suit. I haven't spent a whole lot of time on it historically but I've been trying to improve lately.
In the track I try to throw different approaches while trying to avoid just playing the same licks and patterns I always do - and clearly there are times where I utterly fail. Particularly any part where I try to throw in faster picking which I just fall flat on my face with and it sounds terrible and you can hear the obvious change when I give up on it several times.
Also any attempts at chromaticism really don't work out. I can hear it to some degree in my head but my fingers just don't know where to go since I'm doing this all by ear with little theory application. I need to learn more scales.
I do think I have a couple moments here and there though for being such an improvisation noob.
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09-10-2023, 02:41 AM
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^^^There’s some hella good runs in there! Improv is tough and it seems every time I’m sounding good, I’m not recording. Hit the record button and it Goes to chit
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