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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
See to me, that is just such a lot of food! Unsure on calories but just on the actual quantity! I suppose the difference between what a 5ft1 125lbs female should be eating calorie wise compared to a man at 224lbs is likely quite vast.I think you’re correct and a lot of people are in those shoes. I have no idea how many calories I eat but I know what I eat every day and look like I do in my avi at 224.
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6 whole eggs, 3 whites, cup broc, a blueberry muffin from hyvee and a ****load of butter on it.
2nd (after first workout)
Quest bar
Belvita cookie pack
Cottage cheese
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Chicken breast
Taylor farms Asian salad
A lot of dry Cinnamon Toast Crunch
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Chicken breast
Wheat thins
Hummus
Whole avocado
5th (after 2nd workout)
A meat protein (whatever we have)
Veggies
Maybe some pasta
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At least 3 cups of slow churn ice cream (every fukin day)
Shrug...
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6 whole eggs, 3 whites, cup broc, a blueberry muffin from hyvee and a ****load of butter on it.
2nd (after first workout)
Quest bar
Belvita cookie pack
Cottage cheese
3rd
Chicken breast
Taylor farms Asian salad
A lot of dry Cinnamon Toast Crunch
4th
Chicken breast
Wheat thins
Hummus
Whole avocado
5th (after 2nd workout)
A meat protein (whatever we have)
Veggies
Maybe some pasta
6th
At least 3 cups of slow churn ice cream (every fukin day)
Shrug...
I have long taken issue with recommended calories guidelines, we have that chit printed on all our food packaging over here. 2000 kcals a day for average adult. I feel like a pretty average female, but if I ate 2000 kcals a day.... I would soon be the size of a house and yet, you would probably be loosing weight on that same intake.
I spend a lot of my time really hungry because I choose to eat 400grams of junk that day (and that will be all I eat that day), rather than 3 plates of healthy food. I don’t know why I make that choice, but I do, nearly every day, however I ran a marathon 2 months back so I can’t be THAT unhealthy.
Haha love that you eat a big bowl of ice cream every day, I guess we all have our weaknesses right?
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Post physique. No homo.If I said anything that was incorrect, please explain why. I listed 4 journal papers that agree and did specific experiments to test for de novo lipogenesis rates in humans. So please, Mr. Kong, educate me. Please consult post #254.
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06-20-2019, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Mmjk1500⏩
I'm not posting my physique, but what I will do is dumb the entire point down for you. It's the best I can do.Post physique. No homo.
Cals good. Cals in/cals out works, but not entire picture. Need to know macronutrients and how they are absorbed for entire picture. Fat you have is mostly fat you ate. Carbs no made into fat much. End.
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Imagine thinking eating 2000 calories of cookies and working out will yield the same results as someone eating 2000 calories of ‘clean’ food.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I’ve noticed that on this site they don’t care about facts or sources unless they are extremely misleading/skewed. There isn’t a single person that clicked your link. They are plugging their ears and screaming “LALALALA”If I said anything that was incorrect, please explain why. I listed 4 journal papers that agree and did specific experiments to test for de novo lipogenesis rates in humans. So please, Mr. Kong, educate me. Please consult post #254.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Eating fat doesn't make you fat. People stopped believing this on the 80s.I'm not posting my physique, but what I will do is dumb the entire point down for you. It's the best I can do.
Cals good. Cals in/cals out works, but not entire picture. Need to know macronutrients and how they are absorbed for entire picture. Fat you have is mostly fat you ate. Carbs no made into fat much. End.
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Cals good. Cals in/cals out works, but not entire picture. Need to know macronutrients and how they are absorbed for entire picture. Fat you have is mostly fat you ate. Carbs no made into fat much. End.
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06-20-2019, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
Yep. It's sad. If you google "carbs turn to fat", you see so many bs articles. The medical research does not support this at all. If you overfeed like mad, you will make a couple of grams of new fat a day at best. Almost all the fat you have is fat you ate.Imagine thinking eating 2000 calories of cookies and working out will yield the same results as someone eating 2000 calories of ‘clean’ food.
Yikes.
I’ve noticed that on this site they don’t care about facts or sources unless they are extremely misleading/skewed. There isn’t a single person that clicked your link. They are plugging their ears and screaming “LALALALA”
Yikes.
I’ve noticed that on this site they don’t care about facts or sources unless they are extremely misleading/skewed. There isn’t a single person that clicked your link. They are plugging their ears and screaming “LALALALA”
Originally Posted By Mmjk1500⏩
If you're eating an excess of the needed macronutrients, then the fat you ate will be stored as fat and make you fat.Eating fat doesn't make you fat. People stopped believing this on the 80s.
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
She said she doesn't gain weight eating like that. Not that it's a better choice for body composition. Ofc a diet focused on macros would yield better results to training.Imagine thinking eating 2000 calories of cookies and working out will yield the same results as someone eating 2000 calories of ‘clean’ food.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
If you're so smart then why don't you apply all this and look good naked?Yep. It's sad. If you google "carbs turn to fat", you see so many bs articles. The medical research does not support this at all. If you overfeed like mad, you will make a couple of grams of new fat a day at best. Almost all the fat you have is fat you ate.
If you're eating an excess of the needed macronutrients, then the fat you ate will be stored as fat and make you fat.
If you're eating an excess of the needed macronutrients, then the fat you ate will be stored as fat and make you fat.
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Originally Posted By Mmjk1500⏩
Yep, I think I also said that I am hungry all of the time and likely laking in a lot of nutrients and vitamins.She said she doesn't gain weight eating like that. Not that it's a better choice for body composition. Ofc a diet focused on macros would yield better results to training.
But 1600kcals is 1600kcals, doesn’t matter where you got them, you aren’t actually eating a calorie, it is just a unit of measure for energy.
On R/C too btw... and maybe on spread (we shall see), I don’t rep much lol
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06-20-2019, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
My point is that the calorie scale doesn't always capture everything. For example, if you converted your 1600 cals to 1600 cals worth of meat, you would find you wouldn't have enough energy. The reason is that meat takes quite a bit of energy to digest. Also, not all macronutrients are interchangeable. The specific macros matter. Your body processes fats, carbs, and proteins somewhat independently with only minor interconversion aside from the making of carbs, which will be done as needed to sustain you. There are also drawbacks to using these pathways too much, for example, you can develop ketoacidosis from relying purely on fat metabolism for carbohydrate synthesis.Yep, I think I also said that I am hungry all of the time and likely laking in a lot of nutrients and vitamins.
But 1600kcals is 1600kcals, doesn’t matter where you got them, you aren’t actually eating a calorie, it is just a unit of measure for energy.
On R/C too btw... and maybe on spread (we shall see), I don’t rep much lol
But 1600kcals is 1600kcals, doesn’t matter where you got them, you aren’t actually eating a calorie, it is just a unit of measure for energy.
On R/C too btw... and maybe on spread (we shall see), I don’t rep much lol
It is best to balance your diet and allocate a certain amount of carb, fat, and protein as needed. However, what you listed as "junk" likely already does this. Ice cream and other treats usually have lots of fat and carbs, and ofc milk based products will have a little protein as well. The main reason a lot of these foods are considered "bad for you" is that they contribute to weight gain due to their density or that they have a lot of trans fats, added chemicals, etc. If you have pure ice cream, there isn't much inherently wrong with it. It has a good place as part of a diet for someone who is very active and requires a dense source of energy.
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Lol @ wincel claiming he’s never replying to Kong again then replies to him.
I started eating ice cream like that when I quit drinking so I figure 450 calories of that is better than 3600 calories of beer.
Im in a hotel as we speak and I buy a half gallon on it on the road, eat the top off it and leave the rest...move onto the next city and do it again. I also buy hard boiled eggs and that sh!t when I’m on the road because I’m not an excuse-ridden baby like our friend winnnnnny
Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
It is a lot of food but my fiancé eats nearly the same amount and she is 140.See to me, that is just such a lot of food! Unsure on calories but just on the actual quantity! I suppose the difference between what a 5ft1 125lbs female should be eating calorie wise compared to a man at 224lbs is likely quite vast.
I have long taken issue with recommended calories guidelines, we have that chit printed on all our food packaging over here. 2000 kcals a day for average adult. I feel like a pretty average female, but if I ate 2000 kcals a day.... I would soon be the size of a house and yet, you would probably be loosing weight on that same intake.
I spend a lot of my time really hungry because I choose to eat 400grams of junk that day (and that will be all I eat that day), rather than 3 plates of healthy food. I don’t know why I make that choice, but I do, nearly every day, however I ran a marathon 2 months back so I can’t be THAT unhealthy.
Haha love that you eat a big bowl of ice cream every day, I guess we all have our weaknesses right?
I have long taken issue with recommended calories guidelines, we have that chit printed on all our food packaging over here. 2000 kcals a day for average adult. I feel like a pretty average female, but if I ate 2000 kcals a day.... I would soon be the size of a house and yet, you would probably be loosing weight on that same intake.
I spend a lot of my time really hungry because I choose to eat 400grams of junk that day (and that will be all I eat that day), rather than 3 plates of healthy food. I don’t know why I make that choice, but I do, nearly every day, however I ran a marathon 2 months back so I can’t be THAT unhealthy.
Haha love that you eat a big bowl of ice cream every day, I guess we all have our weaknesses right?
I started eating ice cream like that when I quit drinking so I figure 450 calories of that is better than 3600 calories of beer.
Im in a hotel as we speak and I buy a half gallon on it on the road, eat the top off it and leave the rest...move onto the next city and do it again. I also buy hard boiled eggs and that sh!t when I’m on the road because I’m not an excuse-ridden baby like our friend winnnnnny
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
My diet isn't at all varied so I take a multi to hopefully fill in any gaps. Maybe that would help? It's seemed to help me but could be placebo tooYep, I think I also said that I am hungry all of the time and likely laking in a lot of nutrients and vitamins.
But 1600kcals is 1600kcals, doesn’t matter where you got them, you aren’t actually eating a calorie, it is just a unit of measure for energy.
On R/C too btw... and maybe on spread (we shall see), I don’t rep much lol
But 1600kcals is 1600kcals, doesn’t matter where you got them, you aren’t actually eating a calorie, it is just a unit of measure for energy.
On R/C too btw... and maybe on spread (we shall see), I don’t rep much lol
I ate cheap ground beef for dinner my first 8 months of training and saw solid results. Fat doesn't make you fat, eating more than youre burning does. That's been proven and demonstrated by countless people not sure why he can't understand it.
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06-20-2019, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted By Mmjk1500⏩
I can understand it, and we are practically saying the same things. You don't get it.My diet isn't at all varied so I take a multi to hopefully fill in any gaps. Maybe that would help? It's seemed to help me but could be placebo too
I ate cheap ground beef for dinner my first 8 months of training and saw solid results. Fat doesn't make you fat, eating more than youre burning does. That's been proven and demonstrated by countless people not sure why he can't understand it.
I ate cheap ground beef for dinner my first 8 months of training and saw solid results. Fat doesn't make you fat, eating more than youre burning does. That's been proven and demonstrated by countless people not sure why he can't understand it.
06-20-2019, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
That's false though, there are other factors like hormonal. If one is trying to lose fat spiking your insulin is far from ideal, and causing your blood sugar fluctuate all over the place is going to contribute a lot to your "being hungry all the time".But 1600kcals is 1600kcals, doesn’t matter where you got them, you aren’t actually eating a calorie, it is just a unit of measure for energy.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Theyre bad because they're high in calories. Quit overcomplicating something simpleIt is best to balance your diet and allocate a certain amount of carb, fat, and protein as needed. However, what you listed as "junk" likely already does this. Ice cream and other treats usually have lots of fat and carbs, and ofc milk based products will have a little protein as well. The main reason a lot of these foods are considered "bad for you" is that they contribute to weight gain due to their density or that they have a lot of trans fats, added chemicals, etc. If you have pure ice cream, there isn't much inherently wrong with it. It has a good place as part of a diet for someone who is very active and requires a dense source of energy.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Not arguing the pros or cons of the different macros. All I am saying is that the world has chosen the calorie to be the main unit for measuring how much energy is in the food that you are eating, it is essentially just a rough number that takes into consideration all of the foods properties.My point is that the calorie scale doesn't always capture everything. For example, if you converted your 1600 cals to 1600 cals worth of meat, you would find you wouldn't have enough energy. The reason is that meat takes quite a bit of energy to digest. Also, not all macronutrients are interchangeable. The specific macros matter. Your body processes fats, carbs, and proteins somewhat independently with only minor interconversion aside from the making of carbs, which will be done as needed to sustain you. There are also drawbacks to using these pathways too much, for example, you can develop ketoacidosis from relying purely on fat metabolism for carbohydrate synthesis.
It is best to balance your diet and allocate a certain amount of carb, fat, and protein as needed. However, what you listed as "junk" likely already does this. Ice cream and other treats usually have lots of fat and carbs, and ofc milk based products will have a little protein as well. The main reason a lot of these foods are considered "bad for you" is that they contribute to weight gain due to their density or that they have a lot of trans fats, added chemicals, etc. If you have pure ice cream, there isn't much inherently wrong with it. It has a good place as part of a diet for someone who is very active and requires a dense source of energy.
It is best to balance your diet and allocate a certain amount of carb, fat, and protein as needed. However, what you listed as "junk" likely already does this. Ice cream and other treats usually have lots of fat and carbs, and ofc milk based products will have a little protein as well. The main reason a lot of these foods are considered "bad for you" is that they contribute to weight gain due to their density or that they have a lot of trans fats, added chemicals, etc. If you have pure ice cream, there isn't much inherently wrong with it. It has a good place as part of a diet for someone who is very active and requires a dense source of energy.
Not going to comment on its accuracy but that is why people heavily into their fitness will manage their macros on top BUT that is not the average person, the average person is not tracking their macros, the average person will at best, track their calories. Not 100% sure but I believe the rough estimate is protein is 1 kcal per gram, carbs are 2-3 and sugars are 4.... might have that a little mixed up but they all have different values.
There needs to be a standard number and that is all the calorie is, I am not going to keep track of how much fat, protein, carbs, sugars, salt etc that I am eating. That would do my swede in. But a simple calories? That I can do.
I went off on a tangent on the food labelling side because I believe that sticking the calorie number on food is helpful to the average person as per above reasoning BUT having recommended calorie allowances printed everywhere (based on an average adult - when we are so varied), is absolutely not helpful and may even be contributing to the obesity crisis. Fat people are likely to ignore the allowance anyways and normal average smucks who are just trying to maintain their healthy weight could end up on a higher intake than they need.
The average adult of now overweight, is that throwing the average recommended allowance up because they can eat more whilst maintaining their weight? Just some food for thought... hehehe
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06-20-2019, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
That's fine, but then it is essential you figure out your own personal calorie level given the foods you eat for maintenance. It is different for everyone for the variable reasons I explained along with others. It's also still important to not neglect any particular macronutrient (except carbs if you are trying to cut).Not arguing the pros or cons of the different macros. All I am saying is that the world has chosen the calorie to be the main unit for measuring how much energy is in the food that you are eating, it is essentially just a rough number that takes into consideration all of the foods properties.
Not going to comment on its accuracy but that is why people heavily into their fitness will manage their macros on top BUT that is not the average person, the average person is not tracking their macros, the average person will at best, track their calories. Not 100% sure but I believe the rough estimate is protein is 1 kcal per gram, carbs are 2-3 and sugars are 4.... might have that a little mixed up but they all have different values.
There needs to be a standard number and that is all the calorie is, I am not going to keep track of how much fat, protein, carbs, sugars, salt etc that I am eating. That would do my swede in. But a simple calories? That I can do.
I went off on a tangent on the food labelling side because I believe that sticking the calorie number on food is helpful to the average person as per above reasoning BUT having recommended calorie allowances printed everywhere (based on an average adult - when we are so varied), is absolutely not helpful and may even be contributing to the obesity crisis. Fat people are likely to ignore the allowance anyways and normal average smucks who are just trying to maintain their healthy weight could end up on a higher intake than they need.
The average adult of now overweight, is that throwing the average recommended allowance up because they can eat more whilst maintaining their weight? Just some food for thought... hehehe
Not going to comment on its accuracy but that is why people heavily into their fitness will manage their macros on top BUT that is not the average person, the average person is not tracking their macros, the average person will at best, track their calories. Not 100% sure but I believe the rough estimate is protein is 1 kcal per gram, carbs are 2-3 and sugars are 4.... might have that a little mixed up but they all have different values.
There needs to be a standard number and that is all the calorie is, I am not going to keep track of how much fat, protein, carbs, sugars, salt etc that I am eating. That would do my swede in. But a simple calories? That I can do.
I went off on a tangent on the food labelling side because I believe that sticking the calorie number on food is helpful to the average person as per above reasoning BUT having recommended calorie allowances printed everywhere (based on an average adult - when we are so varied), is absolutely not helpful and may even be contributing to the obesity crisis. Fat people are likely to ignore the allowance anyways and normal average smucks who are just trying to maintain their healthy weight could end up on a higher intake than they need.
The average adult of now overweight, is that throwing the average recommended allowance up because they can eat more whilst maintaining their weight? Just some food for thought... hehehe
Main reason why majority of people are overweight now is a lack of portion control due to the way foods are packaged in stores or served to people at restaurants along with a large reduction in physical activity due to office work.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
LMAO not even a day back and already on some shtIf I said anything that was incorrect, please explain why. I listed 4 journal papers that agree and did specific experiments to test for de novo lipogenesis rates in humans. So please, Mr. Kong, educate me. Please consult post #254.
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If ya'll are seriously coming in here trying to pretend that you aren't antagonizing Wincel, and trying to act like his frustration at the debate is unwarranted you really need to take a look in the mirror.
You can give fitness advice if you don't have your picture up. He is backing up his claims with sources, and protocol for a debate is to back up your claims with sources.
If you do not like his argument or find flaw in it, critique the studies he has posted or back up your claim with an actual argument.
"look at me, I have a great body." Is not an argument. It means nothing. I had a six pack and looked great before I knew a thing about nutrition. You are not required to have a picture of yourself up, just like you are not required to believe somebody's advice. But if they're backing their claims with sources, you should respond in kind or at least critique the sources.
Bobby's post about not knowing his macros and/or not necessarily knowing anything but what he eats (and although it is apparently similar throughout his diet), is a perfect example.
That being said, there is truth to cals in/cals out. Wincel has not denied this. He is stating that there is a layer beyond the common understanding of themost important partof the dieting equation.
He flat out stated that his statement does not ring true in a situation where you are in a deficit.
His argument is about what is optimal, and should be considered on the basis of that.Also, cals in/cals out alone is primarily for physique, and does not necessarily mean that your diet is free from flaw.You can have a great physique but also have a diet deficient of nutrients. I know this for fact, because in the infancy of my training I consumed a diet primarily of tuna and protein shakes. No greens, no vegetables. While this is a digression, and not conducive to the argument, it is a statement I would like to put out there as it relates to the argument in some form.
I do not personally have the ability to argue for or against Wincel's claim, but I just wanted to point out that ya'll out here wilin.
Here is what IthinkI know about Wincel's point, and you can feel free to dispute this and let me know I am wrong;
Fat is easier to store as fat.
CHO is the body's easiest source of glucose/energy.
Protein has a high Thermic effect and there have been a handful of studies about it... however, I cannot currently source this. But it might mean that a surplus of protein alone can have an impact on physique.
Granted, I don't follow any of this and just run cals in/cals out as I have no need for being optimal and would prefer to at least get things 80% right
You can give fitness advice if you don't have your picture up. He is backing up his claims with sources, and protocol for a debate is to back up your claims with sources.
If you do not like his argument or find flaw in it, critique the studies he has posted or back up your claim with an actual argument.
"look at me, I have a great body." Is not an argument. It means nothing. I had a six pack and looked great before I knew a thing about nutrition. You are not required to have a picture of yourself up, just like you are not required to believe somebody's advice. But if they're backing their claims with sources, you should respond in kind or at least critique the sources.
Bobby's post about not knowing his macros and/or not necessarily knowing anything but what he eats (and although it is apparently similar throughout his diet), is a perfect example.
That being said, there is truth to cals in/cals out. Wincel has not denied this. He is stating that there is a layer beyond the common understanding of themost important partof the dieting equation.
He flat out stated that his statement does not ring true in a situation where you are in a deficit.
His argument is about what is optimal, and should be considered on the basis of that.Also, cals in/cals out alone is primarily for physique, and does not necessarily mean that your diet is free from flaw.You can have a great physique but also have a diet deficient of nutrients. I know this for fact, because in the infancy of my training I consumed a diet primarily of tuna and protein shakes. No greens, no vegetables. While this is a digression, and not conducive to the argument, it is a statement I would like to put out there as it relates to the argument in some form.
I do not personally have the ability to argue for or against Wincel's claim, but I just wanted to point out that ya'll out here wilin.
Here is what IthinkI know about Wincel's point, and you can feel free to dispute this and let me know I am wrong;
Fat is easier to store as fat.
CHO is the body's easiest source of glucose/energy.
Protein has a high Thermic effect and there have been a handful of studies about it... however, I cannot currently source this. But it might mean that a surplus of protein alone can have an impact on physique.
Granted, I don't follow any of this and just run cals in/cals out as I have no need for being optimal and would prefer to at least get things 80% right
06-20-2019, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Welcome back homie.I just wanted to reply to this thread because I saw a few points brought up.
1) I never actually helped Roxy with homework. And she never sent me any nudes. I just was clear I had no intention of being her friend. I like to keep females at a distance if I'm not romantically interested in them. I solicited nudes mostly as a joke, but also to keep her at arm's length.
2) I've been accused of "plagiarizing definitions". The definition of a second means exactly what it says, and it is universally defined. You cannot plagiarize a definition.
3) I am not active on any other forums, so any other person should not be taken to be me. I also have no alts, so people claiming to be me are not me.
4) I went to band camp for the sloot thread in R&P since I forgot R&P is meant to be a minimal trolling zone. (LOL, right.)
5) I don't remember having ever said anything condoning throwing acid in a woman's face. I'm not sure where this came about. If I said something like that, it was certainly in jest and not to be taken as a serious statement.
6) Those of you acting like numberguy12 is a dummy clearly haven't read his posts. He has established himself to be a highly educated, intelligent, and competent person.
1) I never actually helped Roxy with homework. And she never sent me any nudes. I just was clear I had no intention of being her friend. I like to keep females at a distance if I'm not romantically interested in them. I solicited nudes mostly as a joke, but also to keep her at arm's length.
2) I've been accused of "plagiarizing definitions". The definition of a second means exactly what it says, and it is universally defined. You cannot plagiarize a definition.
3) I am not active on any other forums, so any other person should not be taken to be me. I also have no alts, so people claiming to be me are not me.
4) I went to band camp for the sloot thread in R&P since I forgot R&P is meant to be a minimal trolling zone. (LOL, right.)
5) I don't remember having ever said anything condoning throwing acid in a woman's face. I'm not sure where this came about. If I said something like that, it was certainly in jest and not to be taken as a serious statement.
6) Those of you acting like numberguy12 is a dummy clearly haven't read his posts. He has established himself to be a highly educated, intelligent, and competent person.
Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
People antagonize him and they act like it's a surprise when he responds the way he does.If ya'll are seriously coming in here trying to pretend that you aren't antagonizing Wincel, and trying to act like his frustration at the debate is unwarranted you really need to take a look in the mirror.
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Because you had secret evidence, and documents /
On how they raped the continents, and it's the prominent /
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06-20-2019, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
walking is GOATHow's the walking going for you? I'm trying to go on more walks this summer. Beyond the physical benefits, it's so good for the mind.
I used to walk on rest days, and it was really good.
Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
exactlyIf ya'll are seriously coming in here trying to pretend that you aren't antagonizing Wincel, and trying to act like his frustration at the debate is unwarranted you really need to take a look in the mirror.
You can give fitness advice if you don't have your picture up. He is backing up his claims with sources, and protocol for a debate is to back up your claims with sources.
If you do not like his argument or find flaw in it, critique the studies he has posted or back up your claim with an actual argument.
"look at me, I have a great body." Is not an argument. It means nothing. I had a six pack and looked great before I knew a thing about nutrition. You are not required to have a picture of yourself up, just like you are not required to believe somebody's advice. But if they're backing their claims with sources, you should respond in kind or at least critique the sources.
Bobby's post about not knowing his macros and/or not necessarily knowing anything but what he eats (and although it is apparently similar throughout his diet), is a perfect example.
That being said, there is truth to cals in/cals out. Wincel has not denied this. He is stating that there is a layer beyond the common understanding of themost important partof the dieting equation.
He flat out stated that his statement does not ring true in a situation where you are in a deficit.
His argument is about what is optimal, and should be considered on the basis of that.
I do not personally have the ability to argue for or against Wincel's claim, but I just wanted to point out that ya'll out here wilin.
You can give fitness advice if you don't have your picture up. He is backing up his claims with sources, and protocol for a debate is to back up your claims with sources.
If you do not like his argument or find flaw in it, critique the studies he has posted or back up your claim with an actual argument.
"look at me, I have a great body." Is not an argument. It means nothing. I had a six pack and looked great before I knew a thing about nutrition. You are not required to have a picture of yourself up, just like you are not required to believe somebody's advice. But if they're backing their claims with sources, you should respond in kind or at least critique the sources.
Bobby's post about not knowing his macros and/or not necessarily knowing anything but what he eats (and although it is apparently similar throughout his diet), is a perfect example.
That being said, there is truth to cals in/cals out. Wincel has not denied this. He is stating that there is a layer beyond the common understanding of themost important partof the dieting equation.
He flat out stated that his statement does not ring true in a situation where you are in a deficit.
His argument is about what is optimal, and should be considered on the basis of that.
I do not personally have the ability to argue for or against Wincel's claim, but I just wanted to point out that ya'll out here wilin.
I'm saying cals in/cals out works, but there are some caveats to look at for details, and you shouldn't neglect to consider the macros. The same calorie value foods can have different absorptions and net effects. The example was 1600 cal of meat vs 1600 cal of sugar vs 1600 cal of olive oil for example. I'm also saying almost all the fat you have is dietary and wasn't synthesized from carbs, contrary to the myth that excess carbs are all made into fat. What actually happens is your body takes up and stores fats in the presence of excess carbs, rather than breaking down the fats and rather than making the excess carbs into fats.
But yea it is irritating that they won't actually debate and present anything wrong with my claims or contrary evidence. They just personally attack me and troll.
06-20-2019, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
walk around an hr a day. usually through quiet neighbourhoods. sometimes in the busy neighbourhoods close to downtown if i want to people-watch. too lazy to drive to a trail.walking is GOAT
I used to walk on rest days, and it was really good.
I used to walk on rest days, and it was really good.
06-20-2019, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
This.People antagonize him and they act like it's a surprise when he responds the way he does.
Brahs need to really re-evaluate themselves ITT
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I would be inclined to agree for sure, that consuming 2000 calories of protein would affect a body differently than 2000 calories of CHO or Fat. So if we were to compare the physiques of a brah who just consumed one of those macros alone as opposed to the others and vice versa, we would see differences.walking is GOAT
I used to walk on rest days, and it was really good.
exactly
I'm saying cals in/cals out works, but there are some caveats to look at for details, and you shouldn't neglect to consider the macros. The same calorie value foods can have different absorptions and net effects. The example was 1600 cal of meat vs 1600 cal of sugar vs 1600 cal of olive oil for example. I'm also saying almost all the fat you have is dietary and wasn't synthesized from carbs, contrary to the myth that excess carbs are all made into fat. What actually happens is your body takes up and stores fats in the presence of excess carbs, rather than breaking down the fats and rather than making the excess carbs into fats.
But yea it is irritating that they won't actually debate and present anything wrong with my claims or contrary evidence. They just personally attack me and troll.
I used to walk on rest days, and it was really good.
exactly
I'm saying cals in/cals out works, but there are some caveats to look at for details, and you shouldn't neglect to consider the macros. The same calorie value foods can have different absorptions and net effects. The example was 1600 cal of meat vs 1600 cal of sugar vs 1600 cal of olive oil for example. I'm also saying almost all the fat you have is dietary and wasn't synthesized from carbs, contrary to the myth that excess carbs are all made into fat. What actually happens is your body takes up and stores fats in the presence of excess carbs, rather than breaking down the fats and rather than making the excess carbs into fats.
But yea it is irritating that they won't actually debate and present anything wrong with my claims or contrary evidence. They just personally attack me and troll.
While that's presenting an argument in a vacuum, that statement alone should theoretically be enough to show that there is a premise to your argument.
06-20-2019, 09:07 AM
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I love walking. I walk to work sometimes and have to pass a million taco stands that take the whole pavement with so many people and homeless tents and all their stuff takes all the space.
Yesterday some homeless guy had a scary looking pitbull tied to a shopping cart and I was like how am I going to pass that. I just can't go to the other side of the freeway. Annoying.
Yesterday some homeless guy had a scary looking pitbull tied to a shopping cart and I was like how am I going to pass that. I just can't go to the other side of the freeway. Annoying.
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