You’re in that 1% I mentioned though. It’s extremely rare to have the sort of success you have online, but I’m sure you recognize that.

You’re an outlier, it doesn’t really “work both ways”.

lmfao

I don't know how true the following is, but Fresh and Fit podcast is the only podcast I currently listen to so I'll pass on some game they shared...

The said that when women think of income, they think of lifestyle. So what attracts women on dating profiles, or Instagram is a man showing financial security and/or abundance. For the average brah with financial security it will mean showing yourself in quality fitted clothes and nice shoes, showing yourself on a holiday or 2 with friends, at a decent restaurant, etc. Not the rockstar/rapper lifestyle, but showing women the kind of lifestyle that you have.

Fresh and Myron sau (and the women confirmed) that when women think about income the think about the lifestyle that it will give them, but when men think about income the think about it in terms of a game (what's my high score?). That's why the advise men to show different aspects of their lifestyle on Instagram, and make sure they have quality fitted clothes.

Takes one to know one
But yeah good point, was just trying to make people feel better haha

I think a lot of you take these apps way to personally. I mean you will find a large amount of these girls who are on it just have a profile and barely use it which is why your not getting matches or are just really bad at responding to online messages.

Not bragging or anything but I regularly get girls messaging me first on these apps and I hardly ever respond or I stop responding, it's not because I have a big ego or anything it's because I find these apps boring and lose interest real fast, it often has nothing to do with the person I am chatting with.

Yeah but the "success" that most women get online is mainly offers for sex. Because of how things are skewed, the guys who want relationships come off as super desperate because they get few matches. I can say the guys my age who act super desperate are a turnoff.

I get matched by Chads but they are total jackasses who only talk about sex and demand nude photos. It's really annoying. One this week is 40 so at least I'm going up, but Miscord agreed he's a Chad and looks great for 40. The other Chads are in their 20s.

Now these guys in their 50s are writing but they act desperate.

Ye I know, I did enjoy your threads. One huge takeaway I had was better pics make all the difference. I don’t have the same flashy style as you, but I added a few good pics and it makes a huge difference.

My height prevents me from being top tier, but still picsmaxxing made a difference. All the incel profiles I saw posted here had terrible pics, even though the guys aren’t bad looking.

That's my main concern now. For struggling guys now, beyond the essential self-improvement stuff, the answer is "try irl" (and that isn't great in some places because of the pandemic). Was trying to find the stat yesterday, but isn't it something like 40-60% of new relationships start online? I know that stat doesn't necessarily indicate the ease of either on or offline, but it worries me about the future of offline dating.My thing about the gym is, I look like a fukking mess in the gym lol. Maybe if I go earlier in my workout, but later on, ain't no chance I'm strolling up to a HBB with bloodshot eyes covered and sweat while out of breath.

Youre pedalstoolizing

Its one thing i laugh at when misc hates on tradies

If i walk into a store with dirt on my face the interest level is like 9000

I know this is lame as hell but i noticed a distinct difference in her behavior. Yesterday when i was getting lunch my hands were so dirty i told the girl to put the ketchup in my bag cause my hands were all dirty and she was like "ok, LOVE" "dont work too hard now" as i was leaving

When i was in the car on the way home from work i was looking at my phone for music. Totally not concentrated on anything else. My face was all dirty. Not like super bad but you could see dirt

Look over and this chick is totally FUKEN enamored with me. Like sitting in her seat pressed up against with her head on her shoulder. Fuken blatantly staring. Lol i had no clue

I also think im like all out of energy too and it implies i worked hard

Im dead fuken serious, ive never had it be a hinderance

If you can manage i bet theyd find it hot

I disagree man. I think there's a fine line between looking rugged and looking like a mess, and I usually cross that line. I also am trying to focus on finishing the workout then.

If I get some obvious signals reaching out, sure, but otherwise, not for me.

And out of all those guys she still decided to take your dick. Who cares? Sometimes a woman will just like you, or you're in the right place at the right time. Most guys put way too much thought into this.

How do you know what is an offer for a sex or just a strong condition for a relationship? Conditions exist in all relationships. Most people won't date (conditions) a homeless people or a paraplegic.

So many guys, including myself, have been relationship catfished or whatever term you want to use. Demanding sex (and nudes but personally I don't ask for that) fast is just a fast way of knowing whether a woman likes me or if she's just using me for free food or as a time killer / jester.

Especially on apps there's so many of those kinds of women who want "friends" (imagine needing an app to make friends).

Inb4 you say: "friend zone is just a way they dump guys". No. Like 1/3 of the profiles literally state retarded chit like: "friends only".

Well, i think in youre scenario its clear why youre a mess

Its not like thats the way youre walking normally. Youre at the gym, thats why youre tired. Cause you busted your azz

May actually add a few points tbh

Just saying

I know you might not be saying you need business attire but i find thinking you need to be any certain way putting it on a pedastool; cause youre already saying its worth x amount when you have no clue how they are

They could be trashy as fuk

Careermaxxing works best in second and third world countries. I bet there is some 26 yo 5'7' ukrainian senior software engineer with 2013 BMW and bad gopnik haircut who is banging sloots left and right like its nothing.

by "persona"

what i mean is that women hone their communication skills. they are good at this. they are super keen and sensitive to body language and "energy" and know how to talk

this results in them being good at acting. acting + knowing what to say (which aids in lying)

they put on a "good girl" persona cause they know men don't commit to whores. even if they've been a whore. it's literally their job to convince men otherwise

that's the game; that's their game.

so, they go and do those things and with their excellent, honed communication skills put up the facade that they are not that way when they actually are. think about it when men (most men.. maybe not all) learn that women are whores they don't want to put a ring on it

a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very small subset are actually good

about the only thing i do feel for them is that men can lie and put on personas too and they are more limited by what comes to them as they are not on the "prowl" like men. so yes, i do know that can happen and men are *******s too, but still doesn't take away from the what i said above

This is 100% true - good job, red! Unless you're a legit 1%er in the US, careermaxxing is nothing but a meme. I have so many friends in Investment Banking at elite firms that spend hundreds of dollars on bottle service at the "hottest" nightclubs, yet mostly just end the night getting plastered with their other male friends and a hangover the next morning. That's not to mention even the fact that you're likely spending almost 100% of your waking hours in these prestigious, upper-middle class/lower upper class type of jobs careerceling. Bankers, Doctors, Lawyers, Consultants all work their ass off - no less than 60 hours a week. They get paid not because they're so damn smart, but for how much of their life they have to give up for their jobs.

If you want to play the beta bucks game, you need to either have family money whose dividends you use to fund/supplement your main income for sloots, have your own, profitable business that others manage but you own the equity in, or strike it big on an investment and take a relatively low pay, but low stress job that gives you lots of freedom/leisure. Most women in big cities have their own money to buy designer chit/brunch, so unless you have the type of money where you can fly them out internationally for free, they'll likely choose the good-looking guy with just a normal job over the mediocre-looking guy with an upper-middle class corporatecel job.

Having a good career matters more in poorer countries or Asian cities where having a good career/money is still more of a status-symbol than looking like Brad Pitt.

Stop gratifying this sloot. She’s purposely matching them and then ignoring them.

dam* brah. good post

I lived for 2 years in Eastern Europe.

I financially mogged most of the local men. Yet I barely got any swipes on on dating apps and the few I did I was often ghosted / flaked on. Women didn't go to bars in my area. None were that receptive to cold approaches either.

If you can't get female attention then there's zero reason to officially permanent immigrate to a country. What else are you going to do? LDAR in some cheap apartment in a country where people deem you a NPC or a "****ing foreigner?".


Pretty sure Eastern Europe has fallen to hypergamy years ago. Each summer you see all the Ukrainian cities get flooded by Turkish and Arab sex tourists. It was hard to tell whether I was in a Slavic Country or a Middle Eastern one due to all the brown guys outside.

If you're below 6'3 it'll be hard to get girls today.

Well since I'm 49 and many of the guys are in their 20s, it sounds like they mostly want sex.

But one who was over 50 asked me for nudes and said he was confused because other women my age gladly offered nudes and sexted, which I wasn't comfortable doing. Maybe he wanted a relationship, I don't know. He had Covid so I was just talking to him on the phone and then I didn't send the nudes so he ghosted me.

That's weird that women would say they just want friends only on dating apps. Of course I've never seen a male profile say that

6’3? You better be 8’1 bone pressed boyo, or LDAR

I disagree. Much easier for guys though when they are older to land quality women than women to land quality guys.

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