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09-01-2018, 05:11 AM
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Glad to see Canon making a mirrorless camera with a big boy grip, I'm officially interested.
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09-01-2018, 05:33 AM
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It's interesting how we reached the point of diminishing returns quite some time ago.

I was out shooting in NZ and a photographer asked me if I was bracketing. I said unless I'm shooting into the sun where I'd probably use grad filters or just wait for light I like more, I don't bracket. I've got about 4 stops of clean shadow detail at ISO 100 with a camera that is now over 6 years old .

If I wanted to shoot action I could dust off a pair of 10 year old D700s with grips and D3 batteries and shoot 8fps all day long.

The latest gear is great but if you can't get the shot with anything semi-pro or pro released in the last 6-10 years the bottleneck most likely isn't the equipment. I remember how rapidly gear was advancing in the early 2000s especially with Canon. Now it's really tapered off. Lots of bells and whistles that shills on Youtube work hard to convince us we can't live without but in reality it doesn't make much of a difference to the end result if you know what you're doing.
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09-01-2018, 08:21 AM
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if you can't get the shot with anything semi-pro or pro released in the last 6-10 years the bottleneck most likely isn't the equipment.
Agreed and that is a good thing isn't it? How affordable and powerful consumer/enthusiasts cameras have now become is amazing.
The down side like you said is that there is not much of a jump in performance/features between the latest models now.

Plenty of very capable cameras at our disposal in any price range these days, it's all about learning and practicing after you picked yours.

I do like to keep up with the latest tech though, find it very interesting.
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09-01-2018, 08:40 AM
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Agreed and that is a good thing isn't it? How affordable and powerful consumer/enthusiasts cameras have now become is amazing.
The down side like you said is that there is not much of a jump in performance/features between the latest models now.

Plenty of very capable cameras at our disposal in any price range these days, it's all about learning and practicing after you picked yours.

I do like to keep up with the latest tech though, find it very interesting.
I do too. I just remember the releases from 2007-2012 were huge. Cameras like the 5Dmk2 and D3 were game changers. No question there's never been a better time to buy into a system from scratch. Even entry level gear delivers great results. It's really exciting if you're new to it.

However if you've already invested it's easy to get carried away chasing the latest gear that might make 5-10% of a difference. For example someone who wants to get into landscape photography might be better served by a used D810 than going all in with a D850 so they've got more money for lenses, a good tripod, filters, upgrading their computer, software for panos, focus stacking, etc. Someone with a Rebel who's constantly traveling and isn't afraid to set off in the dark in search of the best light will take more interesting photos than the 5DsR owner who only shoots stuff around their house.
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09-01-2018, 12:51 PM
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One from this morning, been using cooler tones a lot more in my editing.


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One from this morning, been using cooler tones a lot more in my editing.
looks good to me! like the comp.

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I do too. I just remember the releases from 2007-2012 were huge. Cameras like the 5Dmk2 and D3 were game changers. No question there's never been a better time to buy into a system from scratch. Even entry level gear delivers great results. It's really exciting if you're new to it.

However if you've already invested it's easy to get carried away chasing the latest gear that might make 5-10% of a difference. For example someone who wants to get into landscape photography might be better served by a used D810 than going all in with a D850 so they've got more money for lenses, a good tripod, filters, upgrading their computer, software for panos, focus stacking, etc. Someone with a Rebel who's constantly traveling and isn't afraid to set off in the dark in search of the best light will take more interesting photos than the 5DsR owner who only shoots stuff around their house.
yes for sure! And yeah I remember when the 5d mark II was released, that was real hype, and justified hype, was a real game changer.

Talking about tech, the full specs of the first Canon mirror-less have been leaked, and…….only 1 card slot. Also, no ibis.

We will see if it is a legit leak and it is all confirmed to be true, but based on specs it seems Nikon will have the edge with their first mirror-less model.
Of course let's wait for final production model reviews for both to see how they really perform.



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09-04-2018, 01:17 AM
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Seems like Canon and Nikon are back at it competing with each other. You think they care about Sony or Panasonic, but they really just want to outdo the other lol. There's two worlds: Sony vs Panasonic, Canon vs Nikon.
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09-04-2018, 02:01 AM
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Seems like Canon and Nikon are back at it competing with each other. You think they care about Sony or Panasonic, but they really just want to outdo the other lol.
They've got their own pissing contest going on and nothing outside it seems to matter. If Nikon wasn't bringing out the Z series Canon probably wouldn't bother with the EOS R and vice versa.
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09-04-2018, 03:07 AM
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So so glad they are forcing each other to innovate again. I was getting fed up with them just tweaking what they had and hiking the price.

I'm staying in lockdown mode with my D800E and current lenses. I always wanted my next camera to be mirrorless but I'm not buying first gen and want to see how the lens line goes for nikon.
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09-04-2018, 06:21 AM
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So so glad they are forcing each other to innovate again. I was getting fed up with them just tweaking what they had and hiking the price.

I'm staying in lockdown mode with my D800E and current lenses. I always wanted my next camera to be mirrorless but I'm not buying first gen and want to see how the lens line goes for nikon.
About a month ago was the closest I've been to pulling the trigger on a D850 after spotting a good deal and wanting 4K video for a trip but couldn't do it. Once I added everything up it didn't make sense. Oz prices:

D850 $4300 (since jumped back up to $4800)
MB-D18 grip $700
New L-bracket $200

Apparently my EN-EL15 batteries are the old Li-ion01 version so battery life is questionable. Safest bet was dropping another $200+ for 4 new batteries. Finally no CF slot which meant 90% of my card stash was useless and I'd have to drop $1000+ replacing them with XQD/UHS-II SD.

Cliffs: $4300~ + $700 + $200 + $200 + $1000 = $6500+. That's a lot of money for are very slight improvement in IQ which to be honest I wouldn't even notice with landscapes because I'm mainly shooting multirow panos. The D800E lives on.
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About a month ago was the closest I've been to pulling the trigger on a D850 after spotting a good deal and wanting 4K video for a trip but couldn't do it. Once I added everything up it didn't make sense. Oz prices:

D850 $4300 (since jumped back up to $4800)
MB-D18 grip $700
New L-bracket $200

Apparently my EN-EL15 batteries are the old Li-ion01 version so battery life is questionable. Safest bet was dropping another $200+ for 4 new batteries. Finally no CF slot which meant 90% of my card stash was useless and I'd have to drop $1000+ replacing them with XQD/UHS-II SD.

Cliffs: $4300~ + $700 + $200 + $200 + $1000 = $6500+. That's a lot of money for are very slight improvement in IQ which to be honest I wouldn't even notice with landscapes because I'm mainly shooting multirow panos. The D800E lives on.
Exactly the same boat as you. Grip, proper L-bracket (not generic chinese chit), batteries and cards made it just a lolwut proposition. I'd only be buying it for the af; DR and resolution are hardly improved from the D800(E) and it just didn't stack up plus I hardly shoot moving things.

We get azzfuked almost as much as you guys here in the UK, on the D4/D800 release Nikon hiked the price 10% for ONLY the UK not the rest of the EU. I imported mine from Germany and have never forgiven them for it.
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09-04-2018, 02:02 PM
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why not grab a d850 from ebay?

Who cares about the warranty if you've got the insurance..? 0_o
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gotcha. I've only done shoots for friend's listings, haven't really tried to get myself out there (recently relocated, and work has just been all consuming), but I really want to. Actually getting my RE license for side work and thought this would be a perfect addition.
I really enjoy it tbh. I was also thinking about eventually getting my RS license as well, I think it would fit in nicely with what I'm doing now. I would be happy doing just a few listings a year.

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Very nice shots!

Do you also shoot with the camera facing straight down? I find that drone shots that are taken like this have a beautiful graphic quality to them, gives a very pleasing point of view imo.
Yes, I've done a few with the camera straight down, again, mostly for real estate. Hopefully get some time to start using it for some more recreational stuff.




OK I have a question for the video gurus. I have been considering expanding my real estate services to include video slideshows. I was considering getting a steady cam for a DSLR, but have been looking at the DJI Osmo. There is one with a prime lens (20mm F2.8) and one with a zoom (22-77mm F2.8 - 5.2). Anyone have experience with these or have input on how these would work for interiors?




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OK I have a question for the video gurus. I have been considering expanding my real estate services to include video slideshows. I was considering getting a steady cam for a DSLR, but have been looking at the DJI Osmo. There is one with a prime lens (20mm F2.8) and one with a zoom (22-77mm F2.8 - 5.2). Anyone have experience with these or have input on how these would work for interiors?

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I have the one with the prime lens and love it. It has a lot of cool features and the video is extremely smooth. I have used it in scenarios where I'm running down the beach next to my dogs, to holding it out of a car window in "flashlight" mode to film the front tire of a rental Mustang cruising down the pacific coast highway. The only thing less than ideal is the audio quality but you can get external mics for it. The video quality will definitely impress you and will be perfect for a video tour of a home.
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I have the one with the prime lens and love it. It has a lot of cool features and the video is extremely smooth. I have used it in scenarios where I'm running down the beach next to my dogs, to holding it out of a car window in "flashlight" mode to film the front tire of a rental Mustang cruising down the pacific coast highway. The only thing less than ideal is the audio quality but you can get external mics for it. The video quality will definitely impress you and will be perfect for a video tour of a home.
The audio quality ive heard is sub par, but I wouldn't be using the sound at all.

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$350 (lol) isn't a bad price for a quality gimbal. I think it'll work out for you and your side hobby of making homemade porn. That said, I've used a hand held gimbal once, rented. It was crazy expensive but I was able to run with it and the video was near 100% smooth. Wish I could remember the name or if I had the receipt to look it up. Just never saw the point in spending the money on hardware I'd get maybe 3-4 uses out of every year.
The videos this one produces seem fairly smooth. As far as use, if it's good for porn, it's probably fine with what I'm using it for. I've seen the Go Pro / Karma combo which is around the same price as well.

Either way, I'll essentially be slowly walking with it, so not sure if spending $1000+ on something that would be over kill. $300-600 is something I would be willing to do (I think the upgraded version is around $550). I'm hoping I'll get more than 3-4 uses out of it a year as well.

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Is there something better in the sub $600 area you would recommend?
I've had my eye on this for a while. The reviews are awesome and so is the price. It's on sale now for $400 (down from $650).

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...al_3_axis.html

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I've had my eye on this for a while. The reviews are awesome and so is the price. It's on sale now for $400 (down from $650).

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...al_3_axis.html

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I hadn't even thought about that. Though I would have to get the one above the for $569. I'm using a Tamron 15-30, and the things is a beast at 2.5 lbs. I'm also using a 6D, so I wouldn't have a 4k option. I also question whether the 6D takes better video than the newer all in one 4k cameras like Osmo or Hero6.
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Did my first "wedding" recently. I was contacted last minute by someone that couldn't find a photographer short notice and or in their price range. I told them I had zero experience in wedding work, but told them I provide an inexpensive service in exchange for the experience. To be honest, I really had no idea what I was doing, and I don't know how wedding photographers deal with the stress.

Anyhow, these are photos from the session. Critique would be appreciated.

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why not grab a d850 from ebay?

Who cares about the warranty if you've got the insurance..? 0_o
Coming from the D750 the D850 would feel like a big step up. And for anything that moves the D850 is a big step up from the D800.

However if you mainly shoot landscapes or static subjects you won't really see a significant difference in IQ over the D800E. And with my pano obsession these days it makes no difference at all.
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I shoot up, down, and across for as much resolution as I need without any parallax.


When you add it all up for zknarc and myself in oz and UK respectively that's $6K+ for all the bits and pieces to upgrade even with a good deal on grey market stock without a warranty, etc.

Makes more sense to wait for the next update in the cycle and then pick up heavily discounted/used D850 with low clicks or go all in with the latest and greatest. D800/D800E 2012. D810 2014. D850 2017. D8xx/D900 in 2019-2020? So long as it keeps working I can wait.
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Did my first "wedding" recently. I was contacted last minute by someone that couldn't find a photographer short notice and or in their price range. I told them I had zero experience in wedding work, but told them I provide an inexpensive service in exchange for the experience. To be honest, I really had no idea what I was doing, and I don't know how wedding photographers deal with the stress.

Anyhow, these are photos from the session. Critique would be appreciated.
Crop trees on top of first pic, thumb out of third. My eyes are drawn to both.

First weddings are so fun /s. They at least teach you very quickly whether or not you are interested in the work.
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I shoot up, down, and across for as much resolution as I need without any parallax.
ah right the no parallax point, remember reading about that for perfect panos. Nice setup!

The canon EOS R is now official, and the leaked specs were correct; one card slot and no ibis.

It is up for pre-order for $2,299 at Adorama : https://www.adorama.com/g/canon-full...ce=rflaid63773
https://www.adorama.com/car.html?rfkref=productPage

There is a variable ND filter version of the adapter, very cool:


It will cost you 400usd though, and 300usd for the polarizing filter version.

The camera does feature 4K 30p with Canon Log and 10-bit 4:2:2 HDMI Output, so that + the built in variable ND and smaller/lighter form factor could be interesting for people that are into video.

Edit: there is a 1.8x crop for video and significant rolling shutter, looks like a pass for video
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However if you mainly shoot landscapes or static subjects you won't really see a significant difference in IQ over the D800E. And with my pano obsession these days it makes no difference at all.
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I still do the same. I switched to digital from 6x7/4x5 with a D700 and to get enough res, I pano shot everything with 12 frames (often more with focus stacking) and just did the same with my D800E. I've even had great success doing handheld multi-row panos when I've been skiing.
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I still do the same. I switched to digital from 6x7/4x5 with a D700 and to get enough res, I pano shot everything with 12 frames (often more with focus stacking) and just did the same with my D800E. I've even had great success doing handheld multi-row panos when I've been skiing.
Looks like we took the same upgrade path. I got a pair of D700s with grips in 2008 when they first came out. Next stop was D800E pre-order early February 2012.

I actually ordered the D800 thinking the D800E would be in such small numbers I'd be waiting twice as long. Turns out no one at the time wanted the D800E panicking about all the moire with no AA filter until reviews came out. Camera joint called me and said "would you like a D800E instead?" That was a quick answer. Over 6 years on it still works perfectly.

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There is a variable ND filter version of the adapter, very cool:
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It will cost you 400usd though, and 300usd for the polarizing filter version.
Can't really see the point of dropping $400 when you can just screw on an adapter ring and mount a filter holder which gives you a lot more control. I guess having it integrated means no light bleeding in there on long exposures and also less fiddling.

I use a two slot holder which takes both 4mm glass filters and the standard flimsy 2mm ones with thumbscrews to lock everything in. The stock Lee holder doesn't have them so there's always the risk of a filter sliding out. That's where I could see integrating a variable ND into an adapter like Canon's being worth it.

I mainly use a polarizer but from time to time NDs and graduated NDs. If I need polarizer + ND + grad I have a really thin B+W screw in polarizer, screw the mounting ring to that, and then I've got two slots free for ND and grad.

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I mainly use a polarizer but from time to time NDs and graduated NDs. If I need polarizer + ND + grad I have a really thin B+W screw in polarizer, screw the mounting ring to that, and then I've got two slots free for ND and grad.
Nice. You are very well equipped. I'm sure your high res vertical panos print very well, you probably end up printing them smaller than you could with the full res file right?
I personally don't see the difference printing above 240dpi.

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Can't really see the point of dropping $400 when you can just screw on an adapter ring and mount a filter holder which gives you a lot more control. I guess having it integrated means no light bleeding in there on long exposures and also less fiddling.
Yeah I think it's all about less fiddling/faster workflow.
It just makes it much faster to work with nds, which is useful on video shoots.
No need to change the nds or adapter ring when switching lenses, no need to carry your nds separately. I wonder if it makes balancing on gimbals easier as well, since the nd weight is not added on the front of lens.
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09-07-2018, 03:25 AM
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Nice. You are very well equipped. I'm sure your high res vertical panos print very well, you probably end up printing them smaller than you could with the full res file right?
I personally don't see the difference printing above 240dpi.
240dpi is fine if you've nailed focus and output sharpening.

The goal is typically to shoot for 50" or wider which I think is where a pano really shines since it gives you the feeling of being there. The advantage of a multi-row pano setup even with a single row is you can tilt the camera up or down while keeping everything level and not move the NPP.

With a single row pano even if you're not concerned about parallax you're forced to keep the camera level with the horizon running through the middle. That often means too much sky and not enough foreground unless you're using an UWA. And if you tilt the camera down the pano will be curved. Hope that makes sense.

I was just looking at a simple pano I shot cropped to 2:1 ratio using a 24mm lens x 5 frames across. The stitched file is 21500 x 7160 pixels. I ended up cropping to 14000 x 5200 for a stronger composition which is 73mp and good for 60" across @ 240dpi. If I wanted to go larger I'd use say 35-50mm, shoot more frames across, 2-3 rows, and potentially focus stack. Since it involved the night sky and I didn't want to overcomplicate things and screw it up. I knew in advance depending on how I cropped it'd be around 60-70" max. Still significantly larger, more detailed, and less distorted than using say Canon's 11-24 f/4 on a 50mp 5DsR and cropping some of the top/bottom.
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09-07-2018, 07:10 AM
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The advantage of a multi-row pano setup even with a single row is you can tilt the camera up or down while keeping everything level and not move the NPP.
I was not familiar with the multi-row pano setup, checked some videos, very interesting!
Saw a syrp brand motorized rig with tablet app control, crazy. With that kind of rig all you look for in a camera is dynamic range and color rendition, resolution becomes irrelevant doesn't it? Just shoot more rows.

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If I wanted to go larger I'd use say 35-50mm, shoot more frames across, 2-3 rows, and potentially focus stack… I knew in advance depending on how I cropped it'd be around 60-70" max. Still significantly larger, more detailed, and less distorted than using say Canon's 11-24 f/4 on a 50mp 5DsR and cropping some of the top/bottom.
I bet! Really cool technique. Even more so that you can simply stitch the multi rows in Lightroom without any specialized software.
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Nice. You are very well equipped. I'm sure your high res vertical panos print very well, you probably end up printing them smaller than you could with the full res file right?
I personally don't see the difference printing above 240dpi.
At 300ppi, a 36MP file only gives you 24.53" x 16.37" which is absolutely tiny on a wall. Even less if you crop.

Stitching means you can almost shoot and decide on the exact composition later.

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I was not familiar with the multi-row pano setup, checked some videos, very interesting!
Saw a syrp brand motorized rig with tablet app control, crazy. With that kind of rig all you look for in a camera is dynamic range and color rendition, resolution becomes irrelevant doesn't it? Just shoot more rows.
To a point. Fast changing light, waves, moving foliage etc. mean it is no panacea but you can get away with a lot with landscapes due to having no real verticals.
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To a point. Fast changing light, waves, moving foliage etc. mean it is no panacea but you can get away with a lot with landscapes due to having no real verticals.
right good points did not think about that!
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I bet! Really cool technique. Even more so that you can simply stitch the multi rows in Lightroom without any specialized software.
It'd be nice if Capture One allowed RAW file stitching like LR. That's a great feature. Ditto for the range mask tool. For stitching I used PTGui for a long time but these days I use Microsoft ICE which is free.

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I was not familiar with the multi-row pano setup, checked some videos, very interesting!
Saw a syrp brand motorized rig with tablet app control, crazy. With that kind of rig all you look for in a camera is dynamic range and color rendition, resolution becomes irrelevant doesn't it? Just shoot more rows.
I'll bet you could capture some incredible images that way but I do enjoy the manual approach where you're still connected to the process of capturing an image. I've thought about getting a rotator with click stops so I don't have to eyeball the overlap but they're expensive and heavy and the extra weight quickly adds up.

Discussing this reminded me of how many bits and pieces are important beyond the camera itself. In addition to lenses: tripod ($1000), ball head ($450), clamps & rails ($850), L-bracket ($200), Arca foot for 70-200 ($90), filter holder + adapter rings ($250), glass filters ($1200)… Never added it up before but most of it I've been using for around 10 years. Nikon D800E is probably worth peanuts now to pixel peepers who crave the latest gear but those items I listed are more important to me than the camera. In fact to replace them would cost as much as a new camera but the beauty of it is aside from the L-bracket which is camera specific I could be using it all 20 years from now. I love gear that doesn't suddenly become obsolete.
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