Huge 4th down conversion

I guess that's true. Hoyers inconsistency makes it seem that way but I feel like we tried to run the ball most of the game even though Hyde has under 20 yards.

He has a bad hip bruh

Then take his ass out of the game and let someone run that isn't a gimp.

That's why Breida got extra work

Team has so many issues. Lynch is trash too…not real sure where any of the "talent" is on defense.

Anyway, please god let us have a shot at cousins. Over paying is fine with me.

Overpaying with no talent around him is just a waste of money. Plus the guy is in his 30’s, by the time we field a decent offense around him it’ll be time for another Qb.

Cousins is not that old for a QB, he'll turn 30 by next summer. The last three games have been lost by one possession, even with this offense I think this team is at least 3-2 with Cousins. I say sign Cousins and draft a QB anyway.

We're gonna have a chance at Darnold and Rosen. Why the fuk would we get Cousins?

We're 0-5, Hoyer clearly hasn't done enough, the defense is ok but on the field non stop and never gets to play with a lead, we're injured badly on defense as well. Why wouldn't we start Beathard. Next week he should be out there, if not start him at home week 7. Odds are we're 0-6 heading home to week 7. Start Beathard then giving him around half a season to see what he can do and figure out going forward is he the guy or do we go somewhere else. Is Hoyer the guy, we know the answer there so why wait or make excuses why not to start Beathard. Also hold Foster out next week too, I'd rather he come back at home not that our chitty field is better than DC but DC is a known bad field too for turf and injuries.


Overall this is embarrassing that the team is 0-5 when you consider how little we needed to play better in order to win basically 4 of those games.

Meh this team still looks better than last year. Ultimately, we need a QB and the more we lose the better position we'll be in to get a franchise changing one. If we had legit QB play, with our current roster and coaching I think we're a playoff team.

Sadly this is only barely true. We are marginally better than last year, primarily in that we have a run D and our games have been competitive scoring wise. Other than that not really. There is no way we are a playoff team. A better QB would pay huge dividends but we have way to many penalties and an inability to create pass rush, or force turnovers (shoutout Ray Ray last two weeks). Along with that Shanahan is still learning coaching wise and so is Saleh. Saleh has the excuses of injuries (our D has been decimated) and both will get better but it takes time to get there. I'm stuck because I know we are better than last two years and yet still have zero to show for it.

Tough game yersterday and really thought we would win. Defensively it seems out corners are making the most mistakes.

Offensively Hoyer missing throws and not seeing open receivers. Poor run blocking by the line.

We are a bad team but at least the games are close and a few good plays we'd very well could be 4-1.

Not sure about playoff team but no question with better QB play we're a winning team right now.

I'm still pretty happy with this team. I thought we should've won our last two games and we really should have but all things considered I'll gladly take it.

And to answer your question why Cousins if we can get Darnold or Rosen, well it remains to be seen whether we can. Darnold or Rosen(not as likely) may decide to stay in school. Darnold has lost a lot of shine off his star with all the picks he's throwing. So when it's all said and done if Cleveland and another QB needy team is picking ahead of us odds are we may not be in position to get either QB.

Plus we don't know how highly Kyle has each guy rated. I would think mechanics wise he'd prefer Rosen. That kid has pretty prototypical drop back passer style. Quick release, smooth delivery, good footwork, the staples you want to see if you want a consistent passing game. Of course there are some concerns about his head…will have to see how that goes as the draft process moves along.

We KNOW Kyle loves him some Cousins. We also know we have the money to sign him. There would be very limited if any growing pains if Cousins is the QB since he knows the offense. With a rookie even one as talented as a Darnold or Rosen it will take them time to learn this complicated offense. It took Matt Ryan a good year to really grasp it and he was already an NFL QB. Also not using the pick on a QB would allow us to possibly get a boatload of picks if we trade with a QB needy team who can't sign a Cousins. This would allow us to improve the team and compete quicker.

Basically I think the question becomes what do Kyle/Lynch want to do? Compete sooner rather than later but maybe at the cost of going through another QB search later on or trying to find a guy who can play for 10+ years and keep us in the hunt every year if he becomes an elite QB?

I think you're letting your emotions talk on that one. I know you hate it when we lose but this team is miles better than last year.

We were AWFUL last year. Part of it was due to injuries but part of that was just lack of talent/coaching.

We weren't just bad on defense, we were historically bad. This defense may not have the excellent pass rush most of us expected but DeForest Buckner is a beast and he's going to keep getting better. Solomon hasn't been the pass rusher we wanted but he's going to grow. He's showing much more than Armstead did as a rookie and he'll keep getting better just because hes' that type of guy.

Once Foster is back(and hopefully staying healthy) you'll see improvement on the D as a result. Our corner play has been disappointing but that goes hand in hand with the pass rush situation.

I think this roster is close to contending for the playoffs next year.

This would be my plan A at this point.

1. Sign Cousins
2. FA adds - Trumaine Johnson CB, Justin Pugh G, Weston Richburg C and maybe Pryor or Jeffrey at WR
3. Trade down for another top 10 draft pick, 1st next year, 2nd this year, 1st in 2019 and 2nd in 2018.
4. Draft Harold Landry, trade up into the first and draft Courtland Sutton then address CB and OL while grabbing another QB to groom.

Gives us a better OL to protect Cousins. A big, elite potential receiver in Sutton to go with Garcon and the quick/fast guys we have. Adds pass rush and secondary strength.

Definitely not far away from competing.

I have to admit I thought we'd be better then what we are today but I'm still happy with the general direction of this team. We've been in every game this year and a play our way here and there we'd actually be 4-1. Can't say that about the previous 3 years.

I don't care if we get Cousins or spend our top pick on a QB. As long as we get a QB…

It also maybe time to unload Bowman, Lynch, & Armstead. None of them are playing well at all. I hate to see Bowman go but he just isn't playing that well right now. He does bring leadership though.

Also can someone fill me in about Robinson yesterday? I listened to the game on the radio and the announcers were dogging him out saying the Colts were picking on him but PFF said he only allowed 1 catch on 6 attempts???? They also dogged him on a running play where he lost the edge containment.

Just got a timeout on the webzone for calling someone a cry baby…wow the mods there take their "job" way too seriously.

Have to watch the game again to see. Don't trust PFF but they obviously do watch the game with specifics to one player so I'd tend to give them more credibility outside the OL rankings which are typically ass.

Lynch is gone, which is why I wanted us to trade him to a team like the Pats. No way we extend him. He may go to another team and play really well if a coach can get him to stay in shape and bust his ass but he's clearly not playing with urgency.

Armstead…there's a reason I wanted us to draft Thomas and while he hasn't been as good as fast as I would've hoped he's showing me much more than Armstead has. Armstead seems to have just one move - bull rush. Sometimes he looks good but most of the time he's flayling away out there. He's going into his 3rd season and the play on the field just doesn't show 1st round elite talent. Buckner you can see is a stud. Thomas will grow into a good player. Armstead will likely get traded this offseason.

Bowman - the heart of our defense. It sucks to see him not playing like he did a few years ago because of those injuries. He just doesn't have the same speed to make plays but he's still a good player and someone who can help a guy like Foster. I do think we may have an issue if we keep taking him off the field since he's a big competitor. At the end of the season the team will try to get him to take a paycut. We'll see if he sticks around or opts to go somewhere else.

If Bowman is cut them Malik Jefferson should be someone to look at.

I have not been able to really watch the last few games. Sad to see these losses but at the same time at least they are close games. There is just to much inconstancy and it seems like we are shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties and other things.


I assume next year we will see some more big changes with personnel. Like you guys said above I can see a few people going away (Bowman, Armstead, and lynch). Sad to say Bowman but he is getting paid a lot for his performance right now. I can even see them letting Hyde go as well. It really depends on money and what he tries to get.

I know the thread has moved passed the Cousins talk, but I can pass on the unknowns with Darnold/Rosen. F all that and what happens if you miss…setting back the franchise five years.

Cousins knows Shanahan and makes us immediately better. We are 3-2 with him right now…maybe 4-1.

Agree on Bowman. It’s tough to watch. I love the guy but he’s not the same. I would love for him to take a pay cut and play along side Foster…but if I’m him, I’m out of here to a team competing.

Confused with the talks on Hyde extension. I definitely thought he was gone.

I'd be perfectly fine with Cousins. Rosen would be my 2nd choice so I'd be happy with him as well. Heck Dranold would be cool but he needs time and would be better served to go back to college next year.

The Hyde situation is funny. Reports of an extension and now they are willing for him to split carries with Brieda. I don't think he going to get extended.

INB$ extension

49ers claim Dexter McCoil off waivers, cut Lorenzo Jerome


Interesting? I really am not sure how well or bad Jerome has played, but I am also not even sure if McCoil is even better?




Thinking about it more I think we can expect Hyde to be gone. Breida looked pretty good so far and we also have Joe Williams for next year.

I'm 50/50 on what I want now. Too early to tell either way.

I think if I had to make the call now I'd go with Cousins and use the top pick for trade bait. If we're lucky enough to get #1 overall(won't happen since we simply can't get that pick when there's a clear elite talent at the top) we could get a huge haul for the pick and still allow us to draft a great player to improve the team elsewhere.

I was a big Luke Falk fan when Chip Kelly was HC but don't think he fits what Kyle wants. I think if he was to pick a QB he'd be looking at Josh Rosen or Mason Rudolph. Darnold's mechanics are all over the place. He produces but not sure Kyle wants to invest a high pick on a guy who he has to retool. It worked out terrific for Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers but we don't have the same situation on our hands.

Have to see how the college QBs continue to look. Have to see how Cousins continues to look. Have to see how CJ(if he plays) looks.

A part of me would be perfectly fine giving Cousins a huge deal that's front loaded where we could cut him in a couple of years and not worry about dead cap space and draft a rookie QB to develop behind him. Some would probably bash the move but the position is so important you need to have it covered.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/10...rback-injuries


They have been busy. It looks like they have been listening and know there are issues in the secondary.

Bowman being shopped…. I'm not even mad

Sad really but he's not the same player he used to be. I'd rather he go to a contender at this point.

Bowman just got released.

we're in full on tank mode. at least we know for sure now. Gonna miss MON5T3R.

We'll always have the pick at the stick.

sounds like they did him a courtesy by letting him be a FA, he deserves that at least.

Damn… I was expecting a trade. But not that.

Edit


It sounds like it was him. He bitched about being benched last week for a bit. Then he had his agent talk to the team about trades. No trades happened so they released. He did it himself. Sad but oh well

strong rebuild mode.

first pwilly and now Bow. RIP to our dominant defense years ago.
Hope Bow jumps on a contender and wins a ring