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02-15-2023, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Posted in an old thread like a jackass. Hey brahs, I’m new to this thread. I’m looking for a good self defense handgun for my wife to be able to use at home. Something with little recoil but good stopping power. Would hollow points do the trick? Are any of these good options?

Beretta 92
Sig Sauer P365
Glock G19

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Is she exclusively going to use it in the home? If she plans on carrying at some point, it probably changes a bit. But regardless, I'd say go to a store, have her hold a few to see what she likes/hates, then spend the few extra bucks renting ones she liked at a range so she can actually try a few out.

I think generally most people will say a Glock is a solid option. Same with the 365. Some might chit on the Beretta… a lot of personal preference comes into play with picking one.
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02-15-2023, 07:03 AM
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Is she exclusively going to use it in the home? If she plans on carrying at some point, it probably changes a bit. But regardless, I'd say go to a store, have her hold a few to see what she likes/hates, then spend the few extra bucks renting ones she liked at a range so she can actually try a few out.

I think generally most people will say a Glock is a solid option. Same with the 365. Some might chit on the Beretta… a lot of personal preference comes into play with picking one.
Understood and appreciated. I’ll update after spending some time doing what you suggested. It makes sense, it has to be catered to her preference to be a good choice. Also, it’s just for home, no carry, so size isn’t a huge issue. On r/c
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02-15-2023, 08:20 AM
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Understood and appreciated. I’ll update after spending some time doing what you suggested. It makes sense, it has to be catered to her preference to be a good choice. Also, it’s just for home, no carry, so size isn’t a huge issue. On r/c
have her hold the g43 as well…assuming her hands are small. Had a girl try that one and she preferred it over the g19. She actually preferred the feel on the p365 a little better but liked the looks of the glock. Look good feel good amirite? Promptly gave her the function over fashion shpeel…..you're not buying heels/purse here.
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02-15-2023, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Posted in an old thread like a jackass. Hey brahs, I’m new to this thread. I’m looking for a good self defense handgun for my wife to be able to use at home. Something with little recoil but good stopping power. Would hollow points do the trick? Are any of these good options?

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Glock G19

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A full sized 1911 in 45acp will have a much much better stock trigger than any plastic garbage. The wood and steel add a bit of heft that makes it easier to shoot as well. Along with a 100+ year proven track record of reliability you can’t go wrong with one for home defense.

If you want stopping power this will be your #1 choice without question
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02-15-2023, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Posted in an old thread like a jackass. Hey brahs, I’m new to this thread. I’m looking for a good self defense handgun for my wife to be able to use at home. Something with little recoil but good stopping power. Would hollow points do the trick? Are any of these good options?

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Glock G19

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I read your post in the old thread which has a few more details.

Honestly, even with her small frame, the issue with recoil is likely due mostly to lack of training. The more she shoots the better she will get at handling the recoil.

Also the catch 22 in this case is that heavier/larger pistols almost always have less felt recoil than smaller guns of the same caliber.

So let's say a G43X will probably fit her hands very well but has noticeably more snap than a G17 full size pistol, which may be too big for her grip.
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02-15-2023, 08:56 AM
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Posted in an old thread like a jackass. Hey brahs, I’m new to this thread. I’m looking for a good self defense handgun for my wife to be able to use at home. Something with little recoil but good stopping power. Would hollow points do the trick? Are any of these good options?

Beretta 92
Sig Sauer P365
Glock G19

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I've read in the past that the most important thing when selecting a first time handgun is choosing one you're comfortable holding and handling during operation. If she'll be new to training and you want something on the lower recoil side, I highly suggest something in 9mm. Ammo will be relatively inexpensive compared to others to get training done, yet offer less recoil than other popular calibers.

Glock or Springfield armory would be my humble suggestions for brands. Being able to rent something at a range would also be a great idea, and training for whatever firearm she chooses would be the most important part imo. Good luck.
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02-15-2023, 09:12 AM
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A full sized 1911 in 45acp will have a much much better stock trigger than any plastic garbage. The wood and steel add a bit of heft that makes it easier to shoot as well. Along with a 100+ year proven track record of reliability you can’t go wrong with one for home defense.

If you want stopping power this will be your #1 choice without question
I mostly agree with this. Although the market has gone primarily to polymer striker fired. For someone who's a beginner who just wants a firearm for protection and not going to actively train with the weapon, the last thing I would recommend is a Glock. What I would recommend is a revolver in .357 or a SA/DA semi auto with a safety and/or decocker.
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02-15-2023, 09:21 AM
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I mostly agree with this. Although the market has gone primarily to polymer striker fired. For someone who's a beginner who just wants a firearm for protection and not going to actively train with the weapon, the last thing I would recommend is a Glock. What I would recommend is a revolver in .357 or a SA/DA semi auto with a safety and/or decocker.
I could not see a female working a revolver for a first gun…..just my .02
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02-15-2023, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Posted in an old thread like a jackass. Hey brahs, I’m new to this thread. I’m looking for a good self defense handgun for my wife to be able to use at home. Something with little recoil but good stopping power. Would hollow points do the trick? Are any of these good options?

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Glock G19

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You’re gunna want a full sized 45.acp

Cuz they don’t make a .46 partner
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02-15-2023, 09:51 AM
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Same. If you care at all about how your gun looks, Get the No Quarter sling silencer. The Slingster's metal adjustment thingy scratches the absolute hell out of your gun.
You must not know me. Idgaf about that stuff lol

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I recently bought a Blue Force Gear Vickers sling with metal QD’s. Maybe I haven’t used it enough yet but I don’t find it loud and it isn’t scratching anything yet.
They're not talking about the QDs, they're talking about the Slingster's retention adjustment hardware (not sure if it has an actual name). Here's a pic of mine below. It can cause minor scratches but I don't care about that. I was hoping to rattle can this rifle before it got too cold in like September but we have had an early and really good winter so I likely won't be able to paint it for a few more months.

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02-15-2023, 10:07 AM
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I could not see a female working a revolver for a first gun…..just my .02
A revolver is one of the simplest and most reliable firearms to operate.
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02-15-2023, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Posted in an old thread like a jackass. Hey brahs, I’m new to this thread. I’m looking for a good self defense handgun for my wife to be able to use at home. Something with little recoil but good stopping power. Would hollow points do the trick? Are any of these good options?

Beretta 92
Sig Sauer P365
Glock G19

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She needs to pick it out

If you are asking for her, IMO that rules out anything with a manual safety, more than one trigger pull, decocker, etc.

Double Action Only with no manual safety, or striker with no manual safety

Something in a compact to full size 9mm. Glock 17, Glock 19, S&W M&P 2.0 full size or compact in 9mm, etc. Also look at Smith and Wesson EZ
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02-15-2023, 10:24 AM
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I mostly agree with this. Although the market has gone primarily to polymer striker fired. For someone who's a beginner who just wants a firearm for protection and not going to actively train with the weapon, the last thing I would recommend is a Glock. What I would recommend is a revolver in .357 or a SA/DA semi auto with a safety and/or decocker.
He's trolling with intentionally bad advice.

It's one of the problems MFC has, people pushing away newcomers to firearms intentionally just to start internal arguments

Ignore him/put him on ignore.
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02-15-2023, 10:26 AM
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A revolver is one of the simplest and most reliable firearms to operate.
Once loaded, and provided no reload is needed, this is true.

But a double action revolver is also one of the most difficult firearms to get hits with, and has the lowest capacity. It's also the least 'shootable' of these options for actually practice and training at the range because of ammo costs, long heavy tiring trigger, and more felt recoil as there is no reciprocating action
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02-15-2023, 10:48 AM
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He's trolling with intentionally bad advice.

It's one of the problems MFC has, people pushing away newcomers to firearms intentionally just to start internal arguments

Ignore him/put him on ignore.
I'm not trolling anyone. We're talking about a female that isn't going to constantly train with the firearm. That's not Glock territory sir.


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Once loaded, and provided no reload is needed, this is true.
That's exactly what we're talking about here. A firearm that you can leave loaded and ready to go. A firearm that is going to be reliable with no extra steps involved in case something goes wrong on the the initial round.

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But a double action revolver is also one of the most difficult firearms to get hits with, and has the lowest capacity. It's also the least 'shootable' of these options for actually practice and training at the range because of ammo costs, long heavy tiring trigger, and more felt recoil as there is no reciprocating action
It is harder to get hits with in double action. But I'm sure you are aware that you can also operate the firearm in single action mode. And I'm also sure you're aware that most people don't get into "Miami Vice" style shootouts where they have to reload. Hell, the odds of actually having to use your firearm are astronomical. The odds are even higher that you'll have to reload. The main concern here statistically is NDs by casual firearm owners that don't train with their weapons on a constant ongoing basis.
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02-15-2023, 11:02 AM
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A revolver is one of the simplest and most reliable firearms to operate.
I'm not questioning the reliability….I know they are pretty much GOAT for that. I just mean her grasping the operation of it (as a first gun) from nose to tail.
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02-15-2023, 11:12 AM
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alright so I'm focusing my energy on finishing AR build. If the question was asked of what are your must have add-ons (include brand/model) what is your answer? (items that can be excluded that are already sorted: scope/optic, mags, sling, can)

Im thinking:

1) torch - I'm looking at atleast 1k lume here
2) laser? IR combo etc?
3) illuminator (obv will need nods and dont currently have)
4) ?
5) ?

what say you?
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02-15-2023, 11:16 AM
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Recommending a 1911 is trolling now ?! Thought this was America
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02-15-2023, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Posted in an old thread like a jackass. Hey brahs, I’m new to this thread. I’m looking for a good self defense handgun for my wife to be able to use at home. Something with little recoil but good stopping power. Would hollow points do the trick? Are any of these good options?

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Recommending a 1911 is trolling now ?! Thought this was America
I mean, just the sheer sight of something like this is enough to make bad guys flee in terror.

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yeah 1911 is good rec srs
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Recommending a 1911 is trolling now ?! Thought this was America
I thought he was calling me the troller. I guess if you ain't on the Glock hype train you're considered a troll LMFAO. To be honest, I wouldn't trust the average sloot to handle a Glock correctly
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S&W 500 snub nose

Fireball alone would repel an intruder

And the man did ask for stopping power
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I mean, just the sheer sight of something like this is enough to make bad guys flee in terror.

It's dual use. Once the 8 rounds are exhausted, you can always use it as a hammer/bludgeon. Try that with a plastic space gun!
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alright so I'm focusing my energy on finishing AR build. If the question was asked of what are your must have add-ons (include brand/model) what is your answer? (items that can be excluded that are already sorted: scope/optic, mags, sling, can)

Im thinking:

1) torch - I'm looking at atleast 1k lume here
2) laser? IR combo etc?
3) illuminator (obv will need nods and dont currently have)
4) ?
5) ?

what say you?
NODs/IR should be one of the absolute last things you get for your AR. You should sink thousands into legit training courses before buying that ****. Even after getting NODs/IR, expect to sink a lot more money into NODs based courses.

I'm a Surefire fanboi, but I've been digging my Cloud Rein 2.0s a lot so far. If I was going to get a new light I'd try the brand new Rein 3.0 they just dropped.

If you don't already have this, then after the light I'd get a chest rig or plate carrier set up. After that you could look at a battle belt. Most people seem to get the belts first but for a rifle based kit belts are not at all necessary.

Most important here is to get proper training.
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NODs/IR should be one of the absolute last things you get for your AR. You should sink thousands into legit training courses before buying that ****. Even after getting NODs/IR, expect to sink a lot more money into NODs based courses.

I'm a Surefire fanboi, but I've been digging my Cloud Rein 2.0s a lot so far. If I was going to get a new light I'd try the brand new Rein 3.0 they just dropped.

If you don't already have this, then after the light I'd get a chest rig or plate carrier set up. After that you could look at a battle belt. Most people seem to get the belts first but for a rifle based kit belts are not at all necessary.


Most important here is to get proper training.
oh absolutely…..nods enters a whole new realm of training. They aren't anywhere close to my list yet.

As for the light I'll take a look at those. I do like Surefire. I have a streamlight laser combo on my g19 and love it. I'll check out the Rein

Funny you said chest plates….I had a company (i forget the name right now but I book marked it) pop up my feed last night and I was looking at their setups and battle belts. Any quality brand you recommend? Also I saw the different tiers of ballistic proof and would pay the extra for lighter weight/higher tier…but some of them only had like 1 year shelf life?? Only one with a decent shelf life was steel at 5 yr.

for now I can hold off on the plate insert and just outfit the rig to store my essentials.
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02-15-2023, 12:21 PM
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Would you trust your life with a 2011 in a SHTF/WROL situation?

Let's say it's a Gucci Staccato.
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It's dual use. Once the 8 rounds are exhausted, you can always use it as a hammer/bludgeon. Try that with a plastic space gun!
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You’ve never really experienced CQB until you’ve smashed a skull with 43 oz of pure American steel.
how hard is it to smash a skull? I imagine its much harder than conveyed on tv.
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02-15-2023, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Bo_Flecks⏩
You’ve never really experienced CQB until you’ve smashed a skull with 43 oz of pure American steel.
Closest I can come is a SP01….pretty close, but Czech steel, so former Com-Bloc factor.
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