Srs

Yeah

Yes.

The question is so boring.


How far separate from God do your perceive yourself to be? Is a more interesting question to me.


Can you sense God, here and now?

Can you communicate with him directly, or do you need some third party mediator?


Let’s define God.


I’m all about this conversation but simply asking for a belief in god is so fucking boring.

Go back to reddit you fucking clown

Please explain why/why not.

not really, but I'd like god to be real

Never been there but it seems you have?

Based on this conversation and the context you used it seems I should check it out.

I understand you mean that as an insult but it seems there may be better conversation potential there.

not in descriptions of any earth religions but i think theres aliens that visit in the past and create humans from genetic engineer. this encounters is what most of religions av interprets as gods

but u can expand it far past that like in who create those aliens and who create universe when it comes to those we never know

check pucks anunnaki thread for some of explaining this, i need add more from some vids i watch this week

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=1000012336

theres not mate, reddit is bad for conversation and most miscer wuld get banned for normal misc threads and comments

i av account there for porn and its gud place for find info for fix stuff or how figuring out computer or phone problems so it has purpose but is not for conversation

This is described in an Earth religion Pucks.

The book of Enoch from the Dead Sea scrolls was decidedly left out of the modern Christian Bible. A decision made by the controlling institution at the council of Naicia around 350-400 AD

The Ethiopian Bible, the oldest of all Christian sects, contains the book of Enoch.

The Anunnaki are a Christian explanation for the existence of human life on Earth.

Christians don’t know this though.

I also subscribe to this idea. Not that my personal beliefs matter

wo didnt know any of them accept enoch, thought they all just call it non canon

i did that in thread about god tho, elohim is 'el' = god + 'lohim' = plural basically equals adding 's' in english so those old text actual do talk about this but they religious establishment hide and change it

am interest to know there how they talk about jesus and how that fits in

Was kinda indifferent for years...but these days with the amount of fucking evil shit going on it actually makes me think there has to be e devil and in turn a god.

I mean I hope there is god so that he will smite these fuckers from existance....god really needs a chance to make up for the Blacks

IIRC their bible contains like a few, to tens more “books” than the NKJ version for example.

It does contain the standard stuff if I recall correctly, like the gospels.

I forget if it contains texts that were found at Nag Hamati.

Like the gospels of Phillip and Mary.

Are you familiar with those?

They align more with gnostic christianity and mystical Judaism, which I also subscribe to.

Gnostic Christianity makes the most sense to me out of all of it, and was pretty prevalent in the advent of the movement, before everything became centrally controlled. Mainly the apocalyptic gospel of John.


The idea of archons is extremely compelling, because everything in this existence is a mechanism to generate fear. The cycle of news and the capitalist economic system are absolutely diabolical.


The canonical gospels are riddled with too many errors that kill my belief in them.

There has to be a reason Gnosticism was suppressed when it gives the most accurate reflection of reality being a hell realm created by an evil god.


As for my belief in god. I more lean to yes these days, because humans are plain evil, and can't be trusted. Then my thought is what would a Creator's intention be to create something so nasty? That is where Gnosticism makes sense of it all.


Most of the world is straight evil, and needs to be wiped out. I have no idea in what sense there was in bothering with any of this. But I didn't create it, and only can speculate. The ugliness of the world is really good evidence to be an atheist.


I guess somedays I need to delude myself to keep my sanity and some hope intact to get through the remainder of my life.

If there is a Christian god he's nothing more than a sadistic arsehole

Consider this:
I'm raising law-abiding children
I'm law abiding
I help those less fortunate than myself
I contribute to charities
I'm active in community events as an organizer or as a volunteer

But, according to some so-called Christians, because I don't worship god nor accept JC as my savior, I'm going to burn in hell.

If this is true, god and JC can be considered no more than a self-serving sadistic narcissistic pricks

There is so much speculation around Jesus, and so scarce recordings of his life. It's hard to say what his thoughts were.


What we know is he thought gods kingdom was coming during his generation, which was common for Jews in anitquity, and that is about it.

no philip but did see some of mary. also know about the thomas infant gospel of jesus

As an expression of divine consciousness, connected to divine consciousness, having consumed the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, recognizing an acceptance of similar understanding in you, it is my great honor and duty to claim to you directly THINE IS THE KINGDOM, THE POWER, AND THE GLORY, FOREVER AND EVER. AMEN.


One thing I appreciate about gnostic Christianity is that it incorporates concepts from other ancient “religions” like Hinduism (reference Bhagavad Gita) and, I guess Gnosticism would be considered part of the occult, but the same idea are reflected in the Kybalion, which combines Ancient Greek and Egyptian mythology.

It is an understanding that humanity has come to again and again, civilization separate by thousands of years and thousands of miles with no probability of any interaction between them.

Thine is the kingdom.

Yes, I believe in a Messiah, an Orange One.

What if I told you the universe isnt expanding, instead, its just making more space for his greatness.(PBUH)

In any other age, poets would have written epics about him and his likeness would have been carved in marble through the lands and in every Holy place that men come to pray...and believe that a better tomorrow is possible.

Nope.

I believe in a creator, intelligent design etc, there's no way all this happened by accident. I subscribe to the religion of don't be an asshole.

No. I'm of the reddit Atheist variety

Impressive. Very nice.

Yes but you'd have to do some digging in order to get to actual truth as both Judaism and the Catholic Church have rejected texts for various reasons over the years. I saw the Book of Enoch mentioned by a couple people in this thread. If you look at the actual texts, as well as the original meanings of the words, most modern people's idea of Satan and Hell is completely counter to the original texts.

"Ha-satan" in ancient Hebrew (which is actually just Canaanite Phoenician) literal translates to "the adversary" or "the accuser" and in the book of Job this is a title not an individual entity. He is not rebellious here and he appears to have a function within God's framework, similar to a prosecutor. He doesn't hate Job or have malice against him, he merely is asking reasonable questions for God to perform due diligence to ensure that Job's faith and worship is not superficial.

"Elohim" was indeed originally grammatically plural, but could mean gods, divine beings, heavenly beings, or spiritual beings. For example in Psalm 82 which states "God presides in the great assembly; / he renders judgment among the gods." This seems a lot like some sort of heavenly council and would fit with the interpretation I discussed above that God presided over a heavenly court. "Bene elohim" also appears in Genesis 6 and translates "sons of gods/divine beings". Far later interpretations changed this to angels, righteous humans, or descendants of Seth. This was likely because strict monotheists were uncomfortable with the idea of multiple divine beings in heaven even if God was recognized as the overall Most High.

In Enoch, the Watchers descend to earth and make a pact together to all take human wives and all assume this sin. Semyaza is the one who led the charge here but they all agreed to be complicit. Beyond that Azazel gave human men knowledge of warfare, weaponry, and technology, and gave human women knowledge of cosmetics. These were two different sins, and they manifested evil in two different ways. Lying with human women produced the Nephilim who were abominations who abused humans, the earth, and even each other. Semyaza's sin created something that was never intended to be (the Nephilim) and all that knowledge that Azazel provided made humanity into something it wasn't intended to be.

Translations subtly changed the meaning that we arrived at today. "Ha-satan" in ancient Hebrew became "ho diabolos" in the Greek Septuagint. The two are functional equivalents with the same meaning, but the Greek handles articles differently than the Hebrew. In Greek, "ho diabolos" can also mean an entity of that same name. This is how satan stopped being a role and became a named entity.

The modern Christian interpretation of the fallen angels led by "Lucifer" is most likely a complete fabrication. The source of this is Isaiah 14 which most historical scholars believe to be poetic imagery describing the king of Babylon and his pride.

"How you have fallen from heaven, / morning star, son of the dawn! / You have been cast down to the earth, / you who once laid low the nations! / You said in your heart, / “I will ascend to the heavens; / I will raise my throne/ above the stars of God"

This is one of the modern translations that we have. The original Hebrew "Helel ben Shachar" ("shining one, son of dawn" or "morning star, son of the dawn") became in Greek "heosphoros" ("dawn-bringer" or "morning star") which is still not a name. This became "Lucifer" ("light-bringer" or "morning star" or Venus at dawn) in Jerome's Latin Vulgate. At the time this was not a term synonymous with the devil, and Romans even used the word lucifer in positive context sometimes.

This was amalgamated with Ezekiel 28's Eden/cherub/proud king imagery in order to reinterpret the text to create the narrative of Lucifer/Satan/the Devil as one entity who committed the sin of pride and was kicked out from Heaven. These two texts never use any formation of the words satan or devil.

The timeline for the journey to the modern narrative starts with Second Temple Judaism which expanded on the Book of Enoch with lots of apocalyptic writings regarding cosmic war, fallen angels/demons, princes of darkness, imprisoned/sealed angels, and the like. Even at this point, none of these beings are yet named as "Satan." The Apocalypse of St. John provides the next step. There is a war between a dragon vs Michael and the other angels, the dragon is cast out of heaven, and this dragon is identified with Satan/devil/serpent.

St. John's Apocalypse still does not explain why Satan rebelled, when this happened, or that pride was the cause. Later Christians amalgamated this with shades of Isaiah, Ezekial, and Enoch. The narrative became what you know it as = Satan becomes prideful > he rebels against God > he influences other angels to join him > they all lose the cosmic war > they are all expelled from heaven.

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The biggest Christian influence that led to this narrative was St. Augustine. He was trying to grapple with the theological debate of why evil even exists. The challenge posed is that if God is all powerful and all good, then there should be no evil; therefore since evil exists, then God is either not all good or not all powerful. Augustine developed the idea that Satan was created good yet God gives everyone free will because freedom is good. Satan however freely chose elevating himself over God, which led to pride being the first sin. Evil became a corruption of free will which was originally a gift from God. To Augustine, this solved the debate.

It was also Augustine, as well as the Apostle Paul, who wove the Eden story of Genesis into this. The original word is "nachash" which is simply serpent with no connotations of Satan or devil or Lucifer or fallen angel. The serpent is deceptive and certainly the antagonist of the account, but he is never explicitly named as a cosmic rebel. The Eden account was originally the story of humanity and the human condition, not meant to be the origin of the devil.

Most of what we think of Satan today comes from Milton's Paradise Lost. John Milton sought to write an epic poem akin to the classics and he greatly dramatized Satan's rebellion, the heavenly war, and the angels' expulsion from heaven.

Also consider how much the Book of Enoch has been cast aside over the years. Enoch is directly referenced in the Epistle of Jude, which is considered canon by the Catholic Church. The Second Epistle of Peter and the Apocalypse of St. John both contain material with heavy influence from Enoch. Genesis mentions the Watchers and the Nephilim. When the Book of Enoch was found with the Dead Sea Scrolls it was found alongside numerous other canonical books, including the Book of Isaiah which was in the very same scroll. That Book of Isaiah was almost 1000 years that what was previously thought to be the oldest known text, and it was virtually verbatim.

So if canonical books reference the Book of Enoch as truth, and if the Book of Enoch was included in ancient collections alongside other canonical texts, it would lend legitimacy to the argument that it should be canon. Yet a group of rabbis, and later a group of cardinals, decided that it shouldn't be taught, or worse that it should be considered heresy.

It's easy to see why rabbis might do this. The parables of Enoch describe a highly exalted Messiah type figure that uses language that is very close to that of New Testament theology. The "Son of Man" description in particular along with judging kings and the wicked as well as being chosen and existing before creation itself. They likely did not like the idea that this passage lent legitimacy to Christ, and as time passed they also rejected the more complex cosmology of the Watchers as too challenging to a monotheistic viewpoint.

Early Catholics liked how Christ was perhaps foretold in Enoch, however as time went on Church powers likely also felt that it was too big a challenge to monotheism, despite already accepting the doctrine of the Trinity, and despite the Watchers being thoroughly punished by God's will.

The purpose of this diatribe is to show that even things you think you know and have been taught from birth are likely not exactly 100% correct. Do I believe in God? Yes. At the bare minimum I think that the idea that the universe came from nothing is nonsense, as is the idea that consciousness came from nothing. We could speculate the possible causes of these things all day. There's simulation theory. There's alien theory (although if aliens evolved humans then who created the aliens?). There are religions and all the theories they put forth. I think many of earth's religions are describing some form of the same events. Most major religions have a flood narrative. Many also have stories of some higher being giving forbidden knowledge to humanity.

As we all know though the winners write history books and determine what is taught as historical fact. Some of these things could have been distorted intentionally or unintentionally through the millenia. Hell civilization may have survived multiple cataclysms and rebuilt from just a few surviving human remnants. We keep finding archaeological sites that are older than what was assumed to be the first organized civilization, and some of them disprove what mainstream archaeology teaches. We are unlikely to ever find perfect truth unless enlightenment awaits us in death.

tl;dr - Yes I believe in God but scripture and history has been redacted and destroyed so much we'll probably never know perfect truth.

I'm not that schizophrenic. No

Expand on what you want to talk about then mayne. Im agnostic and have been my entire life. Ive tried to become a Christian and just simply can't in the traditional sense. I believe a higher power obviously exist and has to exist, and time and life perception as we know it aren't "real" in the sense we think they are.


i used to lucid dream nightly and astral projected many times as well. Do you speak to god directly? What does he sound like and say to you?

Hell yeah...

The lucid dreaming and astral projection..... you already got it man.

On the fundamental level, this conversation involves answering one question. I understand it is a question not many people actually sit down and think about, although I find it to be extremely significant and relevant to the whole experience. People literally get choked up when I ask them this in person.

"Who are you?"

Usually the immediate response is to say your name. Of course, we are not our name. That is some designation someone else gave us in order to bring our conscious awareness to something just by making a sound. We are not that. Many people identify with it. They have strong physiological connection to it. It is not us. People will describe their relationships. "I am my mother's daughter". Nope, not you. Sorry not sorry, dig deeper. Of course there is a close association with the physical body. Having projected astrally, you understand you are not the body. Possessing that understanding with significant conviction is the first and most important step in astral projection. Consciously or subconsciously. The ship of Theseus is a great thought experiment to illustrate the idea the body is not us. All matter is energy. Solid matter does not exist. We perceive it in this frame of reference, but that is not what it is. Our brains make up the physical aspects of surrounding environment just like they make up most of the "information" we perceive. This extends to our bodies. Our physical bodies are energy.

I will gladly go into detail about the concepts analyzed in the fields of quantum mechanics, psychology, neurology, biology, physics, philosophy, etc, that have led me to the conclusion I am about to express. I don't want to take two hours to type up some stuff if there isn't a desire to explore it lol. I love this shit and will yap about it forever lol.

We do not exist. Also, we are everything.

Consciousness is not generated in the brain. Consciousness is, and then it is projected into the brain. The brain significantly restricts consciousness. Consciousness is a relentless mother fucker that does exist, and it is impossible for it to not exist. It exists prior to and outside of the human body. When you astral project, you are not going somewhere else, you are simply shifting your perspective. The consciousness possessing "my" avatar, is the same exact consciousness possessing "your" avatar. It is the same consciousness in our pets, in trees.....It is the same exact consciousness that possessed the mind/body mechanism referred to as Jesus of Nazareth. It is the Sun and the Moon. It is super massive black holes and the emptiness of space between them. It does not stop. It exists in a time and place where time and places do not exist. We exist in this same nowhere and never. We exist in every dimension.

I. AM.

It is complete statement that is grammatically and contextually accurate.

Communicating with God:

Human language is disgusting and terrible at conveying information. We are not operating on language anymore. We are going to zoom out a little bit and watch our brains do the language thing while we focus on what is watching the language thing happen. This is not a conversation. Just like we need to transcend the limitations of the physical human body in order to explore our true nature, we need to transcend the limitations of human language.

I would start with some type of grounding mechanism. Chakra/Light Body Activation, retreat to the fortress where all work should be done from, not the body. Take a minute to place fears, doubts and insecurities in a place where they will not get in our way, as wei will not need them. Do some body scans, do some deep diaphragmatic breathing and hum on the exhale. This will stimulate the vagus nerve activating the parasympathetic functions of the central nervous system and it also has other amazing impact on the body like vibrating the brain at a certain frequency which is really good for us. Once you have reached a sustained state of mediation, (gamma and delta brainwaves), then we can communicate with God. We can explore God from the inside out. This is where we create and destroy. In this state, our brains our using all three of our "networks" to process information. The central executive network, salience network, and the default mode network. We are generating new neural pathways, our cognitive and emotional abilities increase exponentially.

When you are there, just watch your thoughts. You will forget to watch the thoughts and get caught up in the thoughts quite a bit at the beginning but that shit absolutely goes away with more and more practice. After a while, the meaningless words can come and go and they simply just don't register. Meaningless concepts that we worship here on Earth are just a fleeting observation and you don't feel the need to focus on them at all. The content continually changes. Sometimes in very extreme manners. The observer does not. When you can get in this mind space, take one more step back, and observe that observer. Look around at it while it watches your thoughts. See how vast and infinite it is. See how there are no limitations to what it can do. It will not stop. It is always there supporting you and guiding you. It is you. It is all you.