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post 1444159151 05-25-2016, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
It's not perfect how our bodies co-exist perfectly with the sun and moon and with the way the earth rotates?

How we need about 8-10 hours of sleep, and the night is just around that long and how the day is just long enough for us to provide for ourselves. How perfectly the earth rotates and how perfectly far away it is from the sun to keep our temperature stable enough for our survival.
All of this is just logical since we evolved on the earth so of course everything about us is based around the earth's environment. We adapted to our environment, the environment wasn't adapted for us.

The universe carries on passed what we are capable of observing in all direction, infinitely for all we know. The fact that the earth is capable of supporting life could very well be coincidence. There are billions of galaxies and who knows how many trillions of solar systems. If the universe is infinite then the number of habitable planets is also infinite.

Its funny how religious people always blather on and on about the earth, when the earth is just a spec of dust. What about the other billion galaxies? What is his plan for those and why did he make them? Anything in the bible about that?
You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told you're a god or a total bastard. The iron always kicks you the real deal. It's the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. I have found it to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But 200 pounds is always 200 pounds.
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
....entity out there.

You really think this world just came to be so perfectly out of nothing?????
That's a more likely scenario than there being a creator that's supreme and almighty. You think a omnipotent creator just came to exist out of nothing?????
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Originally Posted By Briangumble⏩
That's a more likely scenario than there being a creator that's supreme and almighty. You think a omnipotent creator just came to exist out of nothing?????
Chicken or Egg?
You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told you're a god or a total bastard. The iron always kicks you the real deal. It's the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. I have found it to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But 200 pounds is always 200 pounds.
post 1444162181 05-25-2016, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
What you said makes no sense.
with Islam, it does line up with science... [Quran 51.47] And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.
Science shows that the universe is ever expanding.

Not to mention how science shows the earth will be destroyed when the sun finally explodes or whatever and becomes a white dwarf... The Quran says that plenty of times of how the universe has a set time and will end, and how the sun and earth will all combine and be destroyed. That is indeed true.

There is nothing in the Quran that is contradictory with science...http://www.islamreligion.com/categor...of-holy-quran/
The time frame for the earth is 4.5 billion years according to modern widely accepted scientific theory, the same theory you presumably reference.

The time frame for the earth in the Quran if extrapolated from the cryptographic time references relative to man and god, in separate contexts; is around 18 billion years.

That's a gigantic discrepancy. Sorry m8.
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Prove to me that there isn't invisible capybara performing hip hop dancing in my backyard.
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OP, you telling me that this world is perfect? lmao
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No, almighty Allah created it.

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I've subscribed, and have this thread up on every TV in the house, because I can really feel that the misc is going to come up the answer this time.

This is it boys!
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
It's just ridiculius to think we are here with no purpose and just happened to pop up with our minds and everything....

We had a creator, you don't have to say God, just say the creator of the universe, and he delivered his message through the roots of religion.... which began with prophets without scriptures and led to Judaism, which was corrupted, then Christianity, which was corrupted, then Islam, which has been the same book for 1400 years unchanged and has a perfect message and way of life if followed right
I'd say that it is ridiculous to have such hubris as to believe that we are here with some unknown divine purpose. There are mountains of evidence to explain the methods in which life evolve and change, due to environment over time. Desirable traits for a specific environment are passed on by survivors and over many generations life diverges.

It's pretty basic stuff and well founded, examples can be seen even in modern bacteria who cycle through generations at such a rapid rate that they develop resistances to modern medicines in months or years. Take that principle, scale it back around 525 thousand times from a 20 minute generation span to say, 20 years and bam! All of a sudden with some really basic estimation you're looking at evolutionary time frames for any number of human ancestor species and many others besides. With no effort.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I've subscribed, and have this thread up on every TV in the house, because I can really feel that the misc is going to come up the answer this time.

This is it boys!
The only group to claim it has the answer is religion.

Non-believers are more willing to accept the likelihood that they'll never know the answer to some of the universe's most coveted secrets.
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Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you.
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Originally Posted By MISCDASIT⏩
I'd say that it is ridiculous to have such hubris as to believe that we are here with some unknown divine purpose. There are mountains of evidence to explain the methods in which life evolve and change, due to environment over time. Desirable traits for a specific environment are passed on by survivors and over many generations life diverges.

It's pretty basic stuff and well founded, examples can be seen even in modern bacteria who cycle through generations at such a rapid rate that they develop resistances to modern medicines in months or years. Take that principle, scale it back around 525 thousand times from a 20 minute generation span to say, 20 years and bam! All of a sudden with some really basic estimation you're looking at evolutionary time frames for any number of human ancestor species and many others besides. With no effort.
Yea the same people who say we come from monkeys LOL LET US REMEMBER WHY EVERYTHING IN SCIENCE IS CALLED ATHEORYnot FACT

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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post 1444164861 05-25-2016, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
Yea the same people who say we come from monkeys LOL LET US REMEMBER WHY EVERYTHING IN SCIENCE IS CALLED ATHEORYnot FACT

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
And you still haven't answered why "the creator" made a billion other galaxies. What does the bible say his plans were for those?
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
Yea the same people who say we come from monkeys LOL LET US REMEMBER WHY EVERYTHING IN SCIENCE IS CALLED ATHEORYnot FACT

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Speaking of hubris.....

I'm uncertain why the idea that we evolved up from older and more primitive ape species (not monkeys) is so laughable. Chimpanzees and gorillas have been taught sign language and proven capable of holding conversations at a level similar to our young children, and expressing mourning and emotions related to loss. There are still more mountains of evidence showing a gradual progression in brain size and use of tools which correlate.

Even chimpanzees utilize basic tools at times. If you're looking to spread Islam you've failed. You're just gonna have to kill all of us filthy kafir who don't convert now as the proper supercedunt sections of the Quran instruct.
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
....entity out there.

You really think this world just came to be so perfectly out of nothing?????
I believe but I'm sure as shiet not gonna waste my time trying to prove it
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Originally Posted By stfudonny⏩
prove there is.
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
Yea the same people who say we come from monkeys LOL LET US REMEMBER WHY EVERYTHING IN SCIENCE IS CALLED ATHEORYnot FACT

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Oh look, another person who doesn't understand what a scientific theory is.

You haven't come up with the evidence to disprove my capybaras yet?
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
Yea the same people who say we come from monkeys LOL LET US REMEMBER WHY EVERYTHING IN SCIENCE IS CALLED ATHEORYnot FACT

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Everything in sciencemaybe called a theory because science is not so arrogant as to make any claims of absolute truth or dogma - rather, it makes the claim of having the most compelling explanation at any given time, subject to change without notice.

But of course, you already use this principle as you go about your life everyday, making evidence-based judgements as to the most probable outcomes whether it be assumptions that the sun will rise tomorrow or that oncoming cars won't cross the yellow painted line.
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Lol at thinking that the creator of something as vast and complex as the universe even gives a flying **** about us or even knows that we are here.
You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told you're a god or a total bastard. The iron always kicks you the real deal. It's the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. I have found it to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But 200 pounds is always 200 pounds.
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Originally Posted By WhAtNoWbChSs⏩
And you still haven't answered why "the creator" made a billion other galaxies. What does the bible say his plans were for those?
I ain't Christian, Muslim but I don't know that answer.

Perhaps it's because if God told us about those we would waste our time thinking so much about what's out there when we really need to worry about ourselves and our problems. Humans love to fantasize and that would promote it.
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Originally Posted By WhAtNoWbChSs⏩
Lol at thinking that the creator of something as vast and complex as the universe even gives a flying **** about us or even knows that we are here.
That's the reason why he created us with a purpose. To be grateful and enjoy what you have, and have patience during calamities and simply worship God and prepare for the afterlife for indeed this life is short
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Originally Posted By WhAtNoWbChSs⏩
Anything in the bible about that?
No, and the usual response is if it's not answered in the bible then it's not important.

And to be honest, it really isn't.

Every observation we have of space beyond our moon is molded to fit theories. Pictures of planets are colorized to how we think they should look because lack of atmosphere means diffusion of light acts different. Big unknown objects that block light of other objects we call black holes. If 2 of these things collide and make waves it holds no bearing on the span of my 80+ years on this rock. If Mars isn't actually red and Venus isn't actually yellow it holds no bearing on my life either.

We don't even have a written history for most of our own existance and keep digging up artifacts either predating known settling (bones found under a bar in Ireland that predate the Celts) or push our advanced civilization timeline back further (Sumerian is like 10k years back I think?)

Basically, the way I see it if we can't keep a written record of ourselves for more than a couple of hundred years, who's to say 2000 years ago we weren't just as civilized, or even further back. All things LDAR eventually and get lost to time.

I'm not a literalist Christian (Earth created in 7 days, Earth is only 4k years old), but do have faith.
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
EVERYTHING IN SCIENCE IS CALLED ATHEORYnot FACT

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Fixed with correct image.
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
That's the reason why he created us with a purpose. To be grateful and enjoy what you have, and have patience during calamities and simply worship God and prepare for the afterlife for indeed this life is short
Reference science when it suits your purposes, dismiss it when it doesn't. Noted.

Also noted you completely ignoring the fact that the only calculation possible from the Quran puts the earth at over 18 billion years of age, which doesn't line up with science as you attempted to point out earlier.

So you disregard that too? You just shove it from your mind and move along, not even responding to it.


I kind of pity people like you, really.
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Originally Posted By MISCDASIT⏩
Reference science when it suits your purposes, dismiss it when it doesn't. Noted.

Also noted you completely ignoring the fact that the only calculation possible from the Quran puts the earth at over 18 billion years of age, which doesn't line up with science as you attempted to point out earlier.

So you disregard that too? You just shove it from your mind and move along, not even responding to it.


I kind of pity people like you, really.
I'm sorry I didn't see your comment on the Quran being 18 billion years old.

But you're assuming science is right and we know everything about the universe when we say the universe is about 14 billion years old. How do you know that is indeed true???? Science is always changing, and perhaps in 10 years science will say it is 15 billion, 20 years later it will say something else....?????

But nonetheless, the Quran's statements/Sciences estimates are not toooo far apart. Which don't you think is pretty amazing for the Quran to be that close when the book was revealed 1400 years ago when there was no technology and such a lack of knowledge of astronomy.
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Originally Posted By cmc0108⏩
it's impossible to disprove something like that. that's the reason burden of proof is on you.

Also, just because I cannot disprove that there is a god, does not prove that there is one.
This is very true. But, by the same token, a burden of proof also lies with Big Bang believers.

Both the Big Bang and God require faith. To try and "prove" either one is ludicrous, has never been done, and cannot be done.
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Originally Posted By iRelentless⏩
I ain't Christian, Muslim but I don't know that answer.

Perhaps it's because if God told us about those we would waste our time thinking so much about what's out there when we really need to worry about ourselves and our problems. Humans love to fantasize and that would promote it.
Humans also love to lie. And we get all our information about god and religion from other humans. All the major religions all contradict each other and go to war with each other, how are we suppose to know what's true or which religion is correct? If god was real, then why doesn't he send another prophet in modern times to set the record straight?
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1. God is omniscient and omnipotent.
2. God is good.
3. Bad things happen.


At least one of these things must be false.
I say good day to you, sir.
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