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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Why does that matter? Whether this is a true reality or a simulated reality doesn't matter since this is the only reality we will ever knowwe'll put you in front of a starving tiger and see if you reverberate this theory
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Originally Posted By Highwind7⏩
Lmao this, she must suck the most amazing dick of all timenot listening to anything a man who married and divorced the same person said.
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
bank account > aestheticsIf I looked like him I would also wanted to believe in simulation theory
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it's all an amalgamation of stagnation.Why does that matter? Whether this is a true reality or a simulated reality doesn't matter since this is the only reality we will ever know
the ONLY reason you think about this is because you're not preoccupied with other things.
again, i would bet my LIFE that you would not say this isn't "reality" if you were worried about a tiger in front of you eating you up
you would have to be absolutely brain dead for that not to register as the #1 human instinct is self-preservation
also, these theories have been around for thousands of years..they're the same chit..
let me show you. democritus came up with the idea of determinism somewhere between 460-370 b.c. :
Determinism is a modern name (coined in the nineteenth-century) for Democritus' ancient idea that causal deterministic laws control the motion of atoms, and that everything - including human minds - consists merely of atoms in a void.
As Democritus' mentor and fellow materialist Leucippus put it, an absolute necessity leaves no room in the cosmos for chance.
"Nothing occurs at random, but everything for a reason and by necessity."
it goes much deeper than this. "Every action we make can be connected through a causal chain that always comes from the external. In other words, when you act, that act is not caused by you but by everything external. When you "decide" to do something, you only do so because the state of the world is such that it led to that happening, without your control. You may believe you have control, but what you think is also caused by everything that has happened before and has led to that moment. From the moment you are born, your life is laid out in a set path and will follow that path without you being able to control it. Free will is an illusion. And this being such, there can be no morality (Unless you take a Strawsonian route), because actions do not stem from individuals themselves, but from the world itself. "
so, now we have computers.. this COMPLETELY vague concept compared to the universe..
and we want to call it a "simulation" because we have computers. it's not; it's one of the only things familiar to us
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Originally Posted By KingKringe⏩
Even if he isn't true. The laws of physics control everything, you could find an equation that shows exactly who will rot and be a cuckold in the future of humanity.this changes everything, means rotters were meant to rot
If some species created a simulation to observe humans, then why are humans so set upon leaving this reality. We do drugs, read books, watch movies; 99% of people don't give a fuk about this simulation. This experiment seems like a failure unless humans are just a random byproduct.
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Only 3 possibilities:
1. We never reach a post human age
2. We reach a post human age where technology is integrated into human biology and we start running simulations, and those simulations are running simulations of themselves
3. We reached a post human age and got bored of running the simulations and have stopped
Therefore mathematically speaking, the greatest chance is number 2 and that we are currently in a simulation.
1. We never reach a post human age
2. We reach a post human age where technology is integrated into human biology and we start running simulations, and those simulations are running simulations of themselves
3. We reached a post human age and got bored of running the simulations and have stopped
Therefore mathematically speaking, the greatest chance is number 2 and that we are currently in a simulation.
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This one comes up a lot in my circle of friends and as much as I wish it didn't make sense, it really does.
I also believe that the speed of light (the speed of causality in reality) is a limit installed in the simulation to prevent distant cultures from interacting.
Interactions between all of the civilizations in the universe would be exponentially more difficult to simulate so to prevent that the speed of light is set very low.
In effect we are all in our own little petri dish sitting in the same galactic incubator.
None of this matters though. Whether we are a real species that will eventually create the first cosmic simulation or we are in one of those simulations we wont ever know the difference.
I also believe that the speed of light (the speed of causality in reality) is a limit installed in the simulation to prevent distant cultures from interacting.
Interactions between all of the civilizations in the universe would be exponentially more difficult to simulate so to prevent that the speed of light is set very low.
In effect we are all in our own little petri dish sitting in the same galactic incubator.
None of this matters though. Whether we are a real species that will eventually create the first cosmic simulation or we are in one of those simulations we wont ever know the difference.
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Originally Posted By Getter_done⏩
but then where would I be living? ha checkmateI claim we all live in proudmanlets penor.
actually I'm mad at u right now
cuz u used the exclamation point thingy on ur thread about satan so mine doesn't stand out anymore, too many ppl using that today
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
It's simple deductive reasoning. Your argument makes no sense. This isn't a simulated reality because I don't want to get eaten by a tiger? I'm not saying that my "real" body is sitting inside a "real" reality somewhere like in the matrix and that my mind is in a simulated reality. I'm saying that we only exist in this reality and that this reality is in all likelihood simulated. The fact that I want to preserve my existence has no relation to whether this reality is real or simulatedit's all an amalgamation of stagnation.
the ONLY reason you think about this is because you're not preoccupied with other things.
again, i would bet my LIFE that you would not say this isn't "reality" if you were worried about a tiger in front of you eating you up
you would have to be absolutely brain dead for that not to register as the #1 human instinct is self-preservation
also, these theories have been around for thousands of years..they're the same chit..
let me show you. democritus came up with the idea of determinism somewhere between 460-370 b.c. :
Determinism is a modern name (coined in the nineteenth-century) for Democritus' ancient idea that causal deterministic laws control the motion of atoms, and that everything - including human minds - consists merely of atoms in a void.
As Democritus' mentor and fellow materialist Leucippus put it, an absolute necessity leaves no room in the cosmos for chance.
"Nothing occurs at random, but everything for a reason and by necessity."
it goes much deeper than this. "Every action we make can be connected through a causal chain that always comes from the external. In other words, when you act, that act is not caused by you but by everything external. When you "decide" to do something, you only do so because the state of the world is such that it led to that happening, without your control. You may believe you have control, but what you think is also caused by everything that has happened before and has led to that moment. From the moment you are born, your life is laid out in a set path and will follow that path without you being able to control it. Free will is an illusion. And this being such, there can be no morality (Unless you take a Strawsonian route), because actions do not stem from individuals themselves, but from the world itself. "
so, now we have computers.. this COMPLETELY vague concept compared to the universe..
and we want to call it a "simulation" because we have computers. it's not; it's one of the only things familiar to us
the ONLY reason you think about this is because you're not preoccupied with other things.
again, i would bet my LIFE that you would not say this isn't "reality" if you were worried about a tiger in front of you eating you up
you would have to be absolutely brain dead for that not to register as the #1 human instinct is self-preservation
also, these theories have been around for thousands of years..they're the same chit..
let me show you. democritus came up with the idea of determinism somewhere between 460-370 b.c. :
Determinism is a modern name (coined in the nineteenth-century) for Democritus' ancient idea that causal deterministic laws control the motion of atoms, and that everything - including human minds - consists merely of atoms in a void.
As Democritus' mentor and fellow materialist Leucippus put it, an absolute necessity leaves no room in the cosmos for chance.
"Nothing occurs at random, but everything for a reason and by necessity."
it goes much deeper than this. "Every action we make can be connected through a causal chain that always comes from the external. In other words, when you act, that act is not caused by you but by everything external. When you "decide" to do something, you only do so because the state of the world is such that it led to that happening, without your control. You may believe you have control, but what you think is also caused by everything that has happened before and has led to that moment. From the moment you are born, your life is laid out in a set path and will follow that path without you being able to control it. Free will is an illusion. And this being such, there can be no morality (Unless you take a Strawsonian route), because actions do not stem from individuals themselves, but from the world itself. "
so, now we have computers.. this COMPLETELY vague concept compared to the universe..
and we want to call it a "simulation" because we have computers. it's not; it's one of the only things familiar to us
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The only real argument that anyone could make against us living in a simulation is that it is impossible to create a simulation indistinguishable from reality no matter how much progress we make in computer processing power.
But..........there is a serious flaw with that as well.
How can you tell what technology exists outside of the simulation if you are within the simulation?
But..........there is a serious flaw with that as well.
How can you tell what technology exists outside of the simulation if you are within the simulation?
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If we live in a simulation that's pretty mind blowing.
1. How have we become aware that we could be in a simulation?
2. How can Jeopardy-genius robot Watson become smarter than humans (Al****o as well)?
3. In the past, humans had no suspicion of being in a simulation. Say 100 years ago. But now we do. Does this mean we can change our own code? Or is our code constantly evolving? Can we change our own code purposely instead of living out a pre-determined simulation? Will we ever exceed the intelligence of the ones who created us?
1. How have we become aware that we could be in a simulation?
2. How can Jeopardy-genius robot Watson become smarter than humans (Al****o as well)?
3. In the past, humans had no suspicion of being in a simulation. Say 100 years ago. But now we do. Does this mean we can change our own code? Or is our code constantly evolving? Can we change our own code purposely instead of living out a pre-determined simulation? Will we ever exceed the intelligence of the ones who created us?
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This is very plausible. But what if we're infact a computer simulation inside a computer simulation, in side a computer simulation, could go on forever
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Originally Posted By niktak11⏩
it "simply deductive reasoning" because it fits into the narrow prerogative of your psyche. THATS ITIt's simple deductive reasoning. Your argument makes no sense. This isn't a simulated reality because I don't want to get eaten by a tiger? I'm not saying that my "real" body is sitting inside a "real" reality somewhere like in the matrix and that my mind is in a simulated reality. I'm saying that we only exist in this reality and that this reality is in all likelihood simulated. The fact that I want to preserve my existence has no relation to whether this reality is real or simulated
it has no forbearance on "reality"
there are way too many random variables thrown at you throughout your life and to simply assimilate it as "detmined" is sheer laziness. the only possible explanation you could have to that would have to go down to the genetic level. in which epigenetic research has shown that genetics react differently according to the environment. that's FAR from determined and being the only choice that you have.
#1. free will hasn't been proven or disproven
#2. nobody has a 100% grasp on quantum mechanics
being a "simulated reality" has foreshadowing of this not being "real". in which case im telling you that if you were in front of a tiger worrying about your life, you wouldn't think this is not "real".
another question to you too.. to people that have never read this.. does this stuff register on their mind at all?
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Originally Posted By jakeeck⏩
1. observation of simulation progress (due to the exponential growth of parallel processing power) and the inevitable conclusion that we will some day create the very simulation we may very well be in ourselvesIf we live in a simulation that's pretty mind blowing.
1. How have we become aware that we could be in a simulation?
2. How can Jeopardy-genius robot Watson become smarter than humans (Al****o as well)?
3. In the past, humans had no suspicion of being in a simulation. Say 100 years ago. But now we do. Does this mean we can change our own code? Or is our code constantly evolving? Can we change our own code purposely instead of living out a pre-determined simulation? Will we ever exceed the intelligence of the ones who created us?
1. How have we become aware that we could be in a simulation?
2. How can Jeopardy-genius robot Watson become smarter than humans (Al****o as well)?
3. In the past, humans had no suspicion of being in a simulation. Say 100 years ago. But now we do. Does this mean we can change our own code? Or is our code constantly evolving? Can we change our own code purposely instead of living out a pre-determined simulation? Will we ever exceed the intelligence of the ones who created us?
2. it is inevitable that computer technology will far surpass us, evolution never required us to be that smart, there are no limits on evolution within artificial intelligence
3. we are not changing our code, we are evolving within the simulation and the inevitable conclusions that we must make as we develop technology
Keep in mind that all of our science is predetermined. The science outside of the simulation may very well be vastly more complicated. We have only our own frame of reference to work with, and that could be complete fiction.
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
1. It will be possible for at least one civilization to have the power to run "universal" simulations. They don't necessarily need to simulate every particle in the entire simulated universe, just enough of the universe with enough resolution to appear to be a true universe to a simulated society.it "simply deductive reasoning" because it fits into the narrow prerogative of your psyche. THATS IT
it has no forebearance on "reality"
there are way too many random variables thrown at you throughout your life and to simply assimilate it as "detmined" is sheer laziness. the only possible explanation you could have to that would have to go down to the genetic level. in which epigenetic research has shown that genetics react differently according to the environment. that's FAR from determined and being the only choice that you have.
#1. free will hasn't been proven or disproven
#2. nobody has a 100% grasp on quantum mechanics
being a "simulated reality" has foreshadowing of this not being "real". in which case im telling you that if you were in front of a tiger worrying about your life, you wouldn't think this is not "real".
another question to you too.. to people that have never read this.. does this stuff register on their mind at all?
it has no forebearance on "reality"
there are way too many random variables thrown at you throughout your life and to simply assimilate it as "detmined" is sheer laziness. the only possible explanation you could have to that would have to go down to the genetic level. in which epigenetic research has shown that genetics react differently according to the environment. that's FAR from determined and being the only choice that you have.
#1. free will hasn't been proven or disproven
#2. nobody has a 100% grasp on quantum mechanics
being a "simulated reality" has foreshadowing of this not being "real". in which case im telling you that if you were in front of a tiger worrying about your life, you wouldn't think this is not "real".
another question to you too.. to people that have never read this.. does this stuff register on their mind at all?
2. At least one civilization that has the power to run these simulations will have the motivation to do so and will run many many of these simulations. Could be for entertainment or for increasing their knowledge about their own universe.
Which of these assumptions do you disagree with? If they both hold true then the number of simulated realities will be far greater than the number of true realities so the chances that this one is simulated are (# of simulated realities)/((# of simulated realities) + (# of true realities))
You seem to be arguing from a strange philosophical perspective. I'm just using deductive reasoning and math. My point is that it doesn't really matter to us that whether our reality is true or simulated. No reason to be butthurt that our reality is likely simulated because it doesn't have any impact on us
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Originally Posted By sknot1454⏩
There is indeed the theory that at the moment of origin everything that will ever happen was predetermined and that if you could somehow rewind time everything would happen again without any differences.Isn't life one big simulation regardless?
Not really a simulation but an absolute absence of real choice or control.
Simulation, actors playing out a script.....it simply does not matter. We wont ever know and to us this life feels real and we feel like we are making choices so screw it.
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Originally Posted By niktak11⏩
ok i had a different reply but i re-read it..1. It will be possible for at least one civilization to have the power to run "universal" simulations. They don't necessarily need to simulate every particle in the entire simulated universe, just enough of the universe with enough resolution to appear to be a true universe to a simulated society.
2. At least one civilization that has the power to run these simulations will have the motivation to do so and will run many many of these simulations. Could be for entertainment or for increasing their knowledge about their own universe.
Which of these assumptions do you disagree with? If they both hold true then the number of simulated realities will be far greater than the number of true realities so the chances that this one is simulated are (# of simulated realities)/((# of simulated realities) + (# of true realities))
You seem to be arguing from a strange philosophical perspective. I'm just using deductive reasoning and math. My point is that it doesn't really matter to us that whether our reality is true or simulated. No reason to be butthurt that our reality is likely simulated because it doesn't have any impact on us
2. At least one civilization that has the power to run these simulations will have the motivation to do so and will run many many of these simulations. Could be for entertainment or for increasing their knowledge about their own universe.
Which of these assumptions do you disagree with? If they both hold true then the number of simulated realities will be far greater than the number of true realities so the chances that this one is simulated are (# of simulated realities)/((# of simulated realities) + (# of true realities))
You seem to be arguing from a strange philosophical perspective. I'm just using deductive reasoning and math. My point is that it doesn't really matter to us that whether our reality is true or simulated. No reason to be butthurt that our reality is likely simulated because it doesn't have any impact on us
there are so many things to discuss it could be endless.
upon what basis are you presenting that this is a "simulation"? a "simulation" to me is founded upon some sort of determinism
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
u dont have to simulate everything to perfection thoThe only real argument that anyone could make against us living in a simulation is that it is impossible to create a simulation indistinguishable from reality no matter how much progress we make in computer processing power.
But..........there is a serious flaw with that as well.
How can you tell what technology exists outside of the simulation if you are within the simulation?
But..........there is a serious flaw with that as well.
How can you tell what technology exists outside of the simulation if you are within the simulation?
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
The simulated realities don't necessarily need to be deterministic. A simulated reality just needs to be created by another reality (which itself could be a simulation). This is starting to remind me of Rick and Mortyok i had a different reply but i re-read it..
there are so many things to discuss it could be endless.
upon what basis are you presenting that this is a "simulation"? a "simulation" to me is founded upon some sort of determinism
there are so many things to discuss it could be endless.
upon what basis are you presenting that this is a "simulation"? a "simulation" to me is founded upon some sort of determinism
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Originally Posted By gpg_prodigy⏩
This is true and is essentially the NPC argument. Does it matter if every single "person" has the same level of simulation? The argument is no in that if you are "real" the only other "real" people need to be the ones you will eventually interact with.u dont have to simulate everything to perfection tho
"real" here meaning the maximum level of simulation.
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lold please.. youre opening up the argument you had. you realize what you said is a pretty good indication of religion right?The simulated realities don't necessarily need to be deterministic. A simulated reality just needs to be created by another reality (which itself could be a simulation). This is starting to remind me of Rick and Morty
all of these arguments about the universe being a simulation stem from determinism
where photons represent #'s and a photon (our reality) is dictated by a "potentially solvable" fixed, determined ratio - where we can accurately predict the photons next movement
that's where all the simulation arguments stem from and why the arguments FOR it are so wide. thats about the extent that we know of it; so it's easy to ponder as i suggested with the religion aspect
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What's the unlimited money cheat?
You really expecting me to believe so many people are playing this game fairly? f*** off
What's the unlimited money cheat?
You really expecting me to believe so many people are playing this game fairly? f*** off
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
I'm arguing from a purely mathematical perspective. If there are many many simulated realities for every true reality, then chances are that we are in a simulated reality. If the assumptions I posted in a previous post hold, then this is true.lold please.. youre opening up the argument you had. you realize what you said is a pretty good indication of religion right?
all of these arguments about the universe being a simulation stem from determinism
where photons represent #'s and a photon (our reality) is dictated by a "potentially solvable" fixed, determined ratio - where we can accurately predict the photons next movement
that's where all the simulation arguments stem from and why the arguments FOR it are so wide. thats about the extent that we know of it; so it's easy to ponder as i suggested with the religion aspect
all of these arguments about the universe being a simulation stem from determinism
where photons represent #'s and a photon (our reality) is dictated by a "potentially solvable" fixed, determined ratio - where we can accurately predict the photons next movement
that's where all the simulation arguments stem from and why the arguments FOR it are so wide. thats about the extent that we know of it; so it's easy to ponder as i suggested with the religion aspect
From Bockstrom:
1. "The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage (that is, one capable of running high-fidelity ancestor simulations) is very close to zero", or
2. "The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero", or
3. "The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one"
which of those do you believe is true?
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