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Thread: Uh... Why are people acting like Muhammad Ali was a saint?

post 1445813163 06-04-2016, 04:25 AM
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Anyways as people mentioned, Ali was a product of his environment. Some blacks were taught the Christian "turn the other cheek / forgiveness" route of the time. Others were staunch Muslims and felt that black nationalism was the way to fight oppression and inequality in America. He wasn't a perfect man. His ideas of separatism were mostly of what he saw growing up, being segregated, coming home winning Gold in the Junior Olympics and not being able to eat in a white restaurant. Also of course the influence of the NOI.

People talk down on the NOI but people like Ali, Malcolm X, Farrakhan have tried to inspire the black conscious in a time where blacks were treated as subhuman, second class citizens. They did not yearn for acceptance by whites because they felt that they had a right to exist and live their lives like anyone else.

At the time Ali draft dodging was unpopular, but when history looks back he absolutely did what he thought was right in his heart, stuck to his moral compass and fell on his sword, suffered the consequences for it. How many men can say they have done that in their lives?

He didn't hate whites, he hated white supremacy. Even in talk shows with whites hosting, the audience could see that he was quick witted and charismatic. He did not harbor any hatred for anyone. He was a humanist in his own right and fought on many fronts, fighting Parkinson's, philanthropy work in Africa, and also speaking up for Muslim Americans. He was a great man and a true American.
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
He didn't hate whites, he hated white supremacy.
He agreed with White supremacy ideals of not mixing race so he was just the other side of the coin from them but Black. NOI and White Supremacy groups have the same outlook they want their race to dominate and stay "pure".
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ffs..some of you *******s just find an excuse to whine about everything.
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Originally Posted By Jonjo8558⏩
He agreed with White supremacy ideals of not mixing race so he was just the other side of the coin from them but Black. NOI and White Supremacy groups have the same outlook they want their race to dominate and stay "pure".
That's separatism and I'm well aware of his views. Given the climate of the 60s and racial tensions it wouldn't have been uncommon for that. It's hard to always be on the right side of justice in volatile times. At the time he did think white men were the devil and that many people were not righteous. Again I never said he was perfect.

FWIW his radical views changed and in 1975 converted to Sunni Islam and these are some of his grandchildren

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repped, ali was an afrocentrist/elitist-racist and draft dodger.
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as a black brah he was my hero

but not a saint

RIP
post 1445813993 06-04-2016, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted By ChalkyWhiteX⏩
repped, ali was an afrocentrist/elitist-racist and draft dodger.
Do all you white brahs expect all blacks to be "YESS MASSA WE FORGIVE YOU" in the 60s when you could get curb stomped for being on the wrong side of town for being black?

Also I forgot the Aussies are on at this hour. That's all that's needed to be said.
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Originally Posted By heynah⏩
Lmao, miscers love their racist grandparents b/c "that's just the way they lived, it doesn't make them bad people", but act surprised that a black guy living in the Jim Crow south didn't like white people and suddenly he's an "un-american, draft dodging POS"

Ayyyy
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post 1445814253 06-04-2016, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
Do all you white brahs expect all blacks to be "YESS MASSA WE FORGIVE YOU" in the 60s when you could get curb stomped for being on the wrong side of town for being black?

Also I forgot the Aussies are on at this hour. That's all that's needed to be said.
Stereotyping a nationality because you can't disprove facts. lmao
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Originally Posted By chorus⏩
Stereotyping a nationality because you can't disprove facts. lmao
How are they not disproven? He was black nationalist but he wasn't racist.

I agree that some of the NOI beliefs are pretty twisted but really what drew Ali to Islam was brotherhood. He talked about meeting world leaders and having access to that brotherhood in that.

I also stated he became a Sunni Muslim after the 60s so clearly his views were in conflict with the NOI core beliefs.

As much as internet racists on the misc piss me off I could only imagine how I'd be if I lived in the 60s lmao.
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He was an inspirational character who overcame huge odds to become arguably the most charismatic and respected athlete in the history of sport.

Anyone who doesn't see that is either trolling or a *******.
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fkin lol. comparing ali to prince and swayze? just LOL at you ******* cucks

a true legend and an upstanding human being

bunch of *******s mad they wont be remembered when they die cuz they live sad piece of chit existence. sucks to suck u phuckin cucks
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A Legend dies who converted to Islam and pushed for cultural diversity on the eve of US election and EU decision....coincidence??....probably. RIP
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
How are they not disproven? He was black nationalist but he wasn't racist.

I agree that some of the NOI beliefs are pretty twisted but really what drew Ali to Islam was brotherhood. He talked about meeting world leaders and having access to that brotherhood in that.

I also stated he became a Sunni Muslim after the 60s so clearly his views were in conflict with the NOI core beliefs.

As much as internet racists on the misc piss me off I could only imagine how I'd be if I lived in the 60s lmao.
you're honestly telling me a white person could be a white nationalist but not seen as racist...?

you're honestly telling me a white person could be apart of the kkk and not be classed racist...?

for god sakes, the religion he followed and promoted said all whites are evil and that blacks are superior to all...

brb, i'll join the kkk and other racist organisations and then leave and claim i ain't racist. Even though i followed it for 20 years...
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Originally Posted By chorus⏩
you're honestly telling me a white person could be a white nationalist but not seen as racist...?

you're honestly telling me a white person could be apart of the kkk and not be classed racist...?

for god sakes, the religion he followed and promoted said all whites are evil and that blacks are superior to all...

brb, i'll join the kkk and other racist organisations and then leave and claim i ain't racist. Even though i followed it for 20 years...
Well...any semblance of white pride and white nationalism has been royally ****ed by white supremacy for the past 100 years lmao. Also KKK you're right was separatist but they were also a ****ing terrorist organization, anti-black, anti-Catholic, anti-Irish, anti-Italian, anti-Immigration group so comparing them to the NOI a religious organization isn't the same.

There are 'moderate' white separatists at the time just like any other group and Ali agreed with them.

But I know you're just arguing semantics and overall being a ******* and totally ignoring the fact that someone can change their views and beliefs 40+ years later.
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9 kids to 4 women. He's the same as every other typical black athlete(in 4 negs)
But did he take care of them?
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No, he wasn't a saint.

As for the draft dodging, it's always people who know the least about history who talk the most ****. But then again you think the world is flat, so yeah.

It was well known at the time that he was given a deal in which he would never have had to see a day of combat. It was the Joe Louis deal in which he would've gone around fighting exhibition matches for the entertainment of the troops. Instead of choosing this cushy job he decided to risk imprisonment and have his belt taken away. It's amazing that people forget about this "little" detail.
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Cus D'Amato and Ali. Two GOATs together



but I forgot Ali was a hardened unamerican racist LMAO
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
Well...any semblance of white pride and white nationalism has been royally ****ed by white supremacy for the past 100 years lmao. Also KKK you're right was separatist but they were also a ****ing terrorist organization, anti-black, anti-Catholic, anti-Irish, anti-Italian, anti-Immigration group so comparing them to the NOI a religious organization isn't the same.

There are 'moderate' white separatists at the time just like any other group and Ali agreed with them.

But I know you're just arguing semantics and overall being a ******* and totally ignoring the fact that someone can change their views and beliefs 40+ years later.
"The semblance of white pride and white nationalism has been royally fk****ed by white supremacy"
does That change what white nationalism/pride truely is? do people take that into account? ... no.
It doesn't change the fact that they will always be seen as racist.

kkk uses the bible to promote white supremacy
NOI uses the koran to promote black supremacy

Malcolm X was killed for leaving, but thats not terrorism right brah?
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Originally Posted By buildingbrah⏩
Let's nip that chit in the bud shall we? Trump dodged the draft, Ted Nuggent dodged the draft, Rush Libaugh dodged the draft; Ali went to jail not wanting to participate in it. He didn't fake no illness, he didn't go to Canada, he left a promising career and went to prison for his beliefs.
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lol, hypocrisy is real on the misc.

That's how it was back in the days. Anyway, I don't like Ali as much as I would like, either. I really didn't like how he treated Frazier.

That is all.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
He was heavily connected to the Nation if Islam, Malcolm X and violent radicals. Not to mention he dodged the military during a time of war.

Given, he seems like he treated fans well... But they are talking like George Washinton just died on every TV station.
Know your history before you spew garbage.... Why would any black man risk his life for America during that time? The same time where white people could rape, lynch, and kill black people. The same time when Jim Crow laws were active. And most importantly why would anybody risk their life for a pointless war?

So you dislike Ali for standing up for his rights but you praise George Washington that same guy who promoted slavery and wore high heels?
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Amazing boxer. Don't really care about his personal opinions

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ITT miscers prove just how limited their knowledge of American history is

lol at getting rustled because Ali spoke out against white America during a time of great hatred and oppression and refused to fight in an unjust war, which for the record our government has officially acknowledged as a mistake.
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astounds me how there are pockets of people completely outraged there are tributes all over the place for the GOAT heavyweight boxer who told white people to stuff it. he is literally one of the key reasons black people are actually allowed to act and live like normal human beings
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I hate it when people bring politics into sport. Muhammad Ali was not a politician nor was he interested in politics. There is a clear reason why he refused to go to a war back then. It's not like he refuse to go for being "lazy".
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Uhhh he didn't dodge the Vietnam War. Bush and Clinton dodged the war. Ali said "**** you I'm not going" and for perfectly good reasons.

And LOL at hating on a black man skipping the Vietnam War. Just lmao.
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You dont have to be a saint to be celebrated. Ali had his faults but he was a cultural icon who stood up for his beliefs.
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What he did to and said about Joe Frazier was horrible. Everyone seems to gloss over that OMG ALI HERO.
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