The context of the situation matters. If they both consented to sex and he ****ed her until she passed out, continued, and then ran off because he didn't want to be caught outside fuking, then the entire situation changes.

There's a difference between consent, fuking, pass out, continuing, and finding some passed out girl, pulling her knickers off, and fuking her. That was my point; I said he was guilty of something, but the context of that something can be from creepy fuk rapist mode to stupid drunk decision.When she passed out is relevant, and changes the context of the scene. That is the point I am making, not that he dindu nuffin.I hope you're not attributing the bolded to me, since I've never been of the opinion that she should be punished nor have I supported that notion. What I have said, though, is that >IF< they both consented to sex and he was midway done when she passed out, it absolutely does change the context of the situation. I am not saying that she wasn't sexually assaulted, but what I am saying is that he didn't prey on her at that point.

Finding her outside passed out and fuking her is a completely different story. I am however not claiming that my theory of what happened is truth, since I am not even presenting it as theory. I am merely stating that people ITT jumping to the conclusion that he preyed on her and not entertaining the possibility that they had 'drunk consensual' sex (both being drunk at that) with her passing out midway and him making a stupid decision to keep going are just as dumb as people ITT claiming she's responsible, too for him deciding to keep going. Agian, since people here can't seem to understand this, I'm not defending him and blaming her, merely attacking this ONE argument.

If they both consented, then they both fukking consented you frigging porcupine. That is not rape (imo even after the girl/guy passes out, I've had this happen to me) so no **** the context changes. The other situation is ACTUALLY RAPE. Are you phucken serious?

Is your IQ sub 100? You're saying the same thing I am.

whoa now...

never mind. I'm not getting involved in this chit.

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I've had girls continue **** me after I passed out on one or two occasions back when I drank and ****ed a lot. And almost every girlfriend I've had told me that if that ever happened to them, meaning they passed out, to go for it, they all seem turned on by it. Lol if you've never done this before, but clearly this is not rape. However when you find someone passed out behind a dumpster and penetrate them without prior consent, yes that is rape. blah blah blah blah blah

I'm glad some miscers possess the ability to think critically. Ill pray for the rest of you.

that idea that consent cant be given drunk is ****ing retarded but.... if the girl passes out and you continue pounding away on a limp body then yeah, thats rapey as ****. You do realize that just because a girl lets you in doesnt mean she cant change her mind mid stroke and call it off. If you choose to ignore her in this case then thats rape and if she is passed out and unable to know whats happening to her its the same thing.

holy fuk misc lmao, not sure if some of you are srs. If you are read american psycho you will enjoy it you sick fuks.

It's a dumb point to make, though. Especially when you're trying to use it to absolve the guy of wrong doing and shift part of the blame onto the girl. We're not talking about a willing girl who is withdrawing consent the morning after to screw the guy over. We're talking about a legit rape of a passed out girl by a dude who tried to flee the scene when confrontedAgain, all you're doing is trying to shift the blame away from the dude.

You're basically saying that instead of acknowledging the girl is a victim of a rape you'd rather make up a scenario where the girl isn'tas muchof a victim sincemaybeshe was clear minded and consenting prior to passing out.

Regardless of your speculation, she was passed out and non-responsive when the witnesses came by and didn't come to until a few hours later in the hospital. The chances that she was super enthusiastic and willing then suddenly passed out mid-fukk are so low it shouldn't even really be entertained. It's also fukkin weird as fukk to continue to bang a girl who passes out in the middle of sex - drunk or sober.

When did she consent to someone having sex with her unconscious body? Because if she did that changes everything.
For what it's worth, I'm not a feminist, I'd be saying the same thing if it was a guy in this position.

Also, of course I do think its completely fking stupid for someone to drink to the point of unconsciousness, but that doesn't mean you can rape someone because they're a dumbass.

Never partied much in college did you?

No... I'm not...


You're seriously too hell bent on pushing your opinion that you're not paying attention to what I'm saying. You WANT me to be trying to shift blame from the guy, when clearly I've stated that he's guilty of doing something bad. There's no point in arguing with you when you're sticking your fingers in your ears.

Different strokes for different folks. Don't be so close minded. Some people in long term committed relationships, believe it or not, actually don't give a phuck if their significant other whom they've ****ed a thousand times already has a go while they're passed out. It's really not that big of a deal.

And yeah, no **** if a girl tells you to stop midway and you don't or if you phuck her without prior consent while she's passed out that's rape. Not sure what your point is here, since I'm arguing the same thing you are.

This thread blows my mind

lmao is it bad if the first thing I thought when I saw the dude's pic is "Michael Cera" and wasn't even shocked he raped someone.

they should just light this dude on ****ing fire, kids need to learn some ****ing limits while drinking, people turn to savages too damn easily on that ****. Hell I was right there being crazy like them only a few years ago and it didn't take me long to figure out getting totally blacked wasn't the best idea.

I actually partied quite a bit through high school and college. Yet I managed to never get charged with rape because I wasn't having sex with passed out girls near dumpsters.

Weird, right?

this kind of stories give me the will to send this monster to fry on electric chair.

Sounds like you weren't partying hard enough

VocelLoser is rational.

You're demonstrating that rational can not be interpreted by the irrational.

Example of what you might be:

Ok the guy clearly raped her and she clearly is suffering, and he clearly deserves some serious jail time, but...that letter is so fukking over the top. I'm sorry, but talk about a fukking drama queen.

I know that sounds fukked up but come on!

Can someone post the facts of this case? Cause people in this thread are obviously just making chit up at this point.

The one thing that nobody seems to know for sure is was it consensual before she passed out or not. That seems to be what you guys are all arguing about.

I can't find an article that has the context of what happened before this incident. Did this girl pass out and the guy found her passed out and raped her? Or were they have consensual sex and she passed out during sex. I can't find anything saying one thing or the other. Theirs a big difference between the two events.

fuking thank you.

It's like analysing a domestic abuse case. Did he haul off and beat her, or did she provoke him? It's not to say that had she provoked him he'd be in the right for hitting her, and it's not to say that she should be blamed for her attack and he shouldn't be punished, but it's to get a better idea of the situation at hand so that people don't just fly off the handle saying that all domestic abuse is one sided and when statistics come out about domestic abuse, there isn't any fuk ups in the documentation of said domestic abuses and what causes them.

Finding out the cause of a situation is how you prevent it from happening again.

I swear to god if someone spins this around to make me sound like I'm victim blaming. Me saying that people should drink less =/= me blaming a bint for being raped, it's me suggesting a way that someone could be more aware of their situations to increase their chances of avoiding a risky situation.

inb4 liberals say that promoting self-awareness and non-combat self-defence = victim blaming.

The fact that raping an unconscious person behind a dumpster is considered acceptable shows how malignantly foreveralone some Miscers are.

No, you do not need to rape someone to get action. Wow.

'One person made that claim. Just one.

There is such a thing as a gray area when alcohol and college kids are involved, but Jesus Christ, how can you guys defend the kid in this case? Going off the reports it was a non-consensual rape of a passed out chick behind a dumpster. She also sustained physical injuries. There shouldn't be a gray area here *******s.

This covers his testimony pretty well. Have feeling some of you will change your mind


http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2...verbal-consent

So his defence is basically saying that she was concious during the whole thing and any witnesses who say she wasn't were lying?

You seem ignorant of the facts of the case.