And teach your sons not to rape. I always laugh at the comments about "teach your daughters not to be sluts/drink too much/wear this/go to frat parties/flirt/date/sext." How about we start teaching men not to have sex with women who don't consent? (I'm not getting onto you, just funny how common it is to see this advice but not "Hey son, if she can't talk, don't do the grown up.")

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I'll try my best

Why is asking about a case 'woman hating'? Why is asking about details of said night grounds for being labelled a rape apologist? The OP and that person are not exonerating that guy from doing what he did, but they are asking 'did he find her passed out, or did it build up to it'. That's not even an "AHH! Gotcha!" point, it's just a question about the case.

This case has got me ruffled like crazy, bunch of braindead sycophants jumping to conclusions about the context of people's questions as if they're a defense lawyer looking for loopholes instead of people just asking about the lead up to the attack.When people say this, generally they're saying "Don't do this so you can be better aware of your situation and hopefully be able to prevent an occurrence from happening" vs "it's her fault". It's like telling me that it's best not to walk around a bad area at night or to walk with a weapon because I could get attacked, not that the attack would be my fault but that it's better for me to protect myself as best as I can.

Saying to a person 'don't get blackout drunk' is solid advice for any occasion. It isn't victim blaming, and isn't close to being on par with 'teach men don't rape'.

This thread makes me wonder whether it's true or not that rape occurred regularly in pre-historic times and was the primary means by which humans procreated. Is this true?

Teach your sons not to as well, horrible idea for anyone

Not aimed at OP, aimed at Miscers. I don't have to look around to predict many of their opinions on this case

teach people not to murder / steal / do anything wrong for that matter. there are always going to be bad people in the world looking for an opportunity to take advantage of someone. the best thing you can do is protect yourself.

Why are you angry? I clearly am disgusted by the dude, hence the Brock comment. There is a father-daughter bond that is strong which is why I said that. If you're disagreeing with my comment because I didn't say to tell his sons not to rape (which is highly implied vs. alcohol use) then please stop while you're ahead. I have a niece and I look out for her like she's mine.. I'm more worried about her getting too drunk and something harmful happening. Any advice to protect her is good advice.. but apparently that's not good enough for you.

Maybe there's a reason it's common advice - and it's not all ignoring rape like you're implying.Thank you... getting bashed for what I said is fuking ridiculous.

All right; My mistake. I'm heated from the last thread, so it seemed like you were coming at everyone ITT who's asking questions.

timeline of the night. this is from a collection of testimonies from the girl, witnesses, and other people involved

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Yeah. Letter from the father was super cringe.

Got caught fingering a unconscious girl behind a dumpsters? That's just creepy and sad. Guy is sick no matter how you want to spin it lol.

Yes! I agree! Protect yourself, and teach your kids not to be crappy people.M8 I'm not angry at all. I commented that it's weird to me how we constantly hear advice about women protecting themselves (which is important) but rarely about men being taught not to sexually assault people. And for that matter we need to teach women not to assault people. I didn't disagree with your commentat alland my apologies if it came out that way.

don't think anyone isnotteaching their sons not to rape. normal people don't rape

this man is a sicko and should not be a representation of normal men.

the same way the psycho columbia mattress girl is not a representation of normal women

You don't hear it because men don't whine that they're told 'don't rape'. My father always told me not to mess around with drunk chicks because it's not worth it, and so did all of my friends, and my friends' friends, and my friends' friends' friends. I know more people that would have fuked that kid up for messing with a blackout drunk chick, more stories of people talking about how scumbaggy it is to fool around with a drunk chick, than not. We are told these things, and we tell women to protect themselves by not getting blackout drunk, but the context always gets turned into 'fuking men trying to control a woman's life'.

Case in point: I reject drunk girls at parties when I'm sober because it's fuked up, despite being horny as a mfer. That Brock ******* is a scumbag, it isn't debatable, and people telling her not to get blackout drunk around people isn't the same thing as telling her 'don't get raped'. Those same people telling her 'don't get sloshed' are also condemning the ******* for taking advantage of a destroyed chick.

i think girls are more vulnerable and its amplified with alcohol

Idk, I was never told by my dad not to rape, something that was understood, like not robbing a bank(yes rape is worse, just trying to put some context around it)

Scum bags are gonna scum...

You have to teach the victim to protect themselves.

^, people need to stop acting like their aggressor is responsible for their safety, and that they can rely on shady fuking people to protect them.

Exactly! So many idiots repeating that line. You dont need to be taught to not rape, normal people already know not too rape. Anyone that needs to be taught not too rape is likely past the point of helping.

Aside from the general injustice of the case and the light punishment for Brock, I want to say this:

-This girl took NO GENUINE RESPONSIBILITY for her actions that night. She is an IDIOT, just like Brock. Her 20 page letter of being a "victim" makes me want to throw up. If she was a poor immigrant and the drug she had used that night was heroin instead of alcohol, her story would sound RIDICULOUS. But guess what, because she's white and affluent, just like Brock, and the drug was socially acceptable, she can play the victim card. I'm shocked at Brock's punishment based on these facts. If she showed one ounce of remorse I'd be just as up in arms as everyone else. No man should rape a vulnerable woman under any circumstance, but drinking to the point of unconsciousness isn't going to help you. I personally know stories 100x worse than this one and the people just got on with their lives. But everyone involved in this case, including the judge and family members of the people involved, their life is ruined... why? Because of heavy alcohol consumption. Just like the 88,000 people who die of alcohol related deaths each year.

She's truly fortunate nothing worse happened to her, like getting behind the wheel of a car and killing other people. She could really help change peoples minds about drinking if she focused on that instead of focusing on being the victim of being fingered behind a dumpster by a drunk dude while she was blacked out.

In each day of our lives, men and women, we owe it to our self to be fully aware of ourselves and our actions. It's not just rape that can hurt you, it's a dangerous world out there.And being blacked out drunk is a sure-fire way to have sh*tty things happen to you.

Also, Brock's dad and everyone who chimes in on this publicly (including myself) is a complete and utter idiot. We weren't there, we weren't in the court room, we have no training in these matters, and we are all just stupid dumb fuks.

/rant

If you have ever been drunk, you are just as guilty as her.

I think it's fair enough to debate the harshness of the sentence (rehabilitation etc.), but to blame the girl is just retarded.

I'm not blaming the girl, she did not sexually assault herself. What I'm saying is if you get blacked out drunk, horrible things are MUCH MORE likely to happen to you.

She is a victim.
That being said I agree she shouldn't have drank herself to the point of unconsciousness and that she's lucky nothing worse happened (though not sure how she could've drove unconscious so maybe that was a bad example). Hopefully she has learned from this.

The only fact is that we will never know what truly happened.

A) The kid was raping an unconscious woman.

or

B) In order to avoid being seen as the drunk girl that let a guy **** her behind a dumpster, she cried rape.

We should teach both things. Both of these kids made huge mistakes that night. Being blacked out drunk is a bad idea. She could have tried to drive home, she could have walked into traffic, she could have done a dangerous drug and died... literally 1000 things she could have done because she was unable to be aware of her own actions. This part angers me as much as Brock taking advantage of her. This case is so publicly one sided, and yet there are two sides to this story. How can we ignore both parts?

[QUOTE=II Cybershot II post_id=1446455003]Aside from the general injustice of the case and the light punishment for Brock, I want to say this:

-This girl took NO GENUINE RESPONSIBILITY for her actions that night. She is an IDIOT, just like Brock. Her 20 page letter of being a "victim" makes me want to throw up. If she was a poor immigrant and the drug she had used that night was heroin instead of alcohol, her story would sound RIDICULOUS. But guess what, because she's white and affluent, just like Brock, and the drug was socially acceptable, she can play the victim card. I'm shocked at Brock's punishment based on these facts. If she showed one ounce of remorse I'd be just as up in arms as everyone else. No man should rape a vulnerable woman under any circumstance, but drinking to the point of unconsciousness isn't going to help you. I personally know stories 100x worse than this one and the people just got on with their lives. But everyone involved in this case, including the judge and family members of the people involved, their life is ruined... why? Because of heavy alcohol consumption. Just like the 88,000 people who die of alcohol related deaths each year.

She's truly fortunate nothing worse happened to her, like getting behind the wheel of a car and killing other people. She could really help change peoples minds about drinking if she focused on that instead of focusing on being the victim of being fingered behind a dumpster by a drunk dude while she was blacked out.

In each day of our lives, men and women, we owe it to our self to be fully aware of ourselves and our actions. It's not just rape that can hurt you, it's a dangerous world out there. [B[u]And being blacked out drunk is a sure-fire way to have sh*tty things happen to you.[/u][/]

Also, Brock's dad and everyone who chimes in on this publicly (including myself) is a complete and utter idiot.[b] We weren't there, we weren't in the court room, we have no training in these matters, and we are all just stupid dumb fuks.[/b]

/rant[/QUOTE]Exactly what I thought when I saw like 30 people posting about it on FB yesterday... Fukin social media and the issue of the day that everyone forgets about a week later is annoying as hell

Glad I'm not a girl I would have been raped countless number of times. I got blackout drunk like every weekend in college.

You are right, she is.

Just like if you were completely blacked out drunk passed out on the ground and someone stole your wallet. You're the victim.

But do you have no responsibility in that situation? I'd say you certainly do.Haha, so true. I probably shouldn't have even posted.

Responsibility as in she shares the blame for a chitty thing someone else chose to do? No. But yeah, like I said she shouldn't be putting herself in that position. As I said in one of the other threads, even in a perfect world where you don't have to worry about what other people might do, you still have to worry about alcohol poisoning and choking in your own vomit, so drinking till the point of unconsciousness is dumb whatever way you look at it.

I don't know all of the details, but having experienced going for a walk and coming to on a couch in another apartment while drunk with no memory of it, it's possible she was talking to him. The fact that he ran away says he was doing something he shouldn't have been doing.

What's the other part? He was seen by two witnesses who arrested him at the scene and found the unconcious woman. Is there another side to the story? Can an unconcious woman have an agenda in being assaulted? Maybe we can start asking what the other side of the story is for murders. Maybe the dead body planned the whole thing.