lmao wtf are you even talking about. In almost all middle eastern countries they pray and **** before killing the animal in the most humane way possible. I'm not even a practicing Muslim but stop talking out of your ass. Never in my life have I heard or seen any middle eastern country treat animals poorly

So these evil procedures should be stopped. I love meat but I also hate seeing animals being tortured. Surely they can use humane methods to kill them.

*******s of peace

Seconded.

Has anyone seen cowspiracy? It brings up the enviromental effects of meat and dairy production.

I was sold when I saw it however some people question it's credibilty.

Cot damn that knife is sharp as ****.

BTW there Vegans, science has already proved that plants also feel pain. So have fun with that moral quandary while you're at it.

Since plant's don't have a central nervous system I highly doubt that claim. And even if itweretrue that plants could feel pain in the same way that animals do, then meat-eaters should still stop eating meat because far,farmore plants are slaughtered in the production of meat than what vegans consume.

Not gunna go full vegan or veggie; but I've completely removed beef and pork from my diet, get my dairy from a farm where I know they treat their animals well, have my own chickens for eggs, and only eat free range chicken.

I think I'm doing alright, but vegans still hate on me cuz.

Plants do not have a nervous system. How should they feel pain?

Lol @ you blubbering vaginas crying over an animal getting killed by a superior species.

Brb, tens of thousands of innocent civilians killed in indiscriminate bombings in the middle east by the US, France, Russia and the UK. They deserve it because they happen to share the same ethnicity as those we are at war with now.

Brb, several shooting deaths in the US and crazy amount of gun crime. I'll continue to buy guns and support gun ownership.

Brb, people dying on a daily basis from lack of food and clean water. I'll continue to waste food and water and eat excessively so I can bulk and look jacked.

What a bunch of hypocritical *******s.

Not pain as we know it, but I guess you could call it stimuli. Plants know to grow and turn toward the sun, predatory plants know when to close the trap when an insect lands on them, etc. Some botanist say that plants can feel themselves being eaten alive.

In reality all things will suffer with the strong benefiting from the demise of the weak. We already poison the air they breathe and take over their habitats because humanity is the apex predator. We are genetically equipped and inclined to eat animals and plants.

Now I am not saying the way these animals are being killed is right, especially in foreign countries where they have no regulations for humane process. Luckily, most of us don't eat from these places because the USDA bars their meat from entering the states.

The only issue is that the cow has to be pregnant to produce milk and the baby cow is generally taken away moments after birth to be tied down for around 4 months to keep it tender for veal.




Free range is a technicality the industry works around so instead of each hen being crammed into a shoebox, you've got 1,000 hens piled into a small room sh*tting all over each other. Their beaks are sheared off using hot snipping machines to stop them pecking each other to death, and the male babies are usually gassed or ground alive.

caged:




"Free range":





But I personally don't see anything wrong with eating eggs from your own hens if they're treated well. The problem isn't as much what people eat, its the cruelty involved. Not hating on you btw, just explaining why they might have a problem with the dairy/chicken bit. good on you for being mindful and trying to avoid contributing to cruelty srs. I did similar before I became fully vegan tbh

"I didn't mean it as an absolute statement, did I? I didn't anticipate my comment would be so thoroughly scrutinized by the misc police."

He can say whatever he needs to, and you can too, but you know you had a whiny tone to your response.

Might be coincidence, but did you just listen to a Joe Rogan podcast? Very same thing was talked about and I found it pretty damn interesting.

Yes I'm sure having your throat slit and bleeding out is a great way to die

You seem upset.
It's not a 'call out'. i'm simply contradicting your post. You say it happen more often in foreign countries, i'm saying it happens in everywhere to a high degree. Why split hairs? It's all the same chit. For the record, don;t make stupid comments if you don't want to get called out for them.Where did i assert that you meant it as an absolute statement? And nope, you stand by an opinion. You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. Please don't assert them as such. 'More often than not' based on what? Where are the studies? And these foreign employees you speak of, in American slaughter houses for example, are expected to abide by American guidelines, such as the Humane Slaughter Act in the U.S in particular, which incidentally only applies to cattle, pigs, and sheep, but exclude poultry, fish, rabbits or other animals slaughtered for food. Why not all? If you want higher standards for employees, companies should set their own higher standards. Which of course they couldn't care less about. Companies which continuously disregard the safety of the animals and employees, despite having supposedly higher standards in place btw.Then you get defensive for no reason lmao. The fact that 'chicken and fish are not as sentient an animal as cows, sheep, goats and pigs' is not a valid justification for the disproportionate treatment they receive in factory farming. I know you'd like to believe it is, but it's not. Again, keep coping.

Also, what Aggressive posted ^^

Get off your 'free range' high horse bull chit.

Yeh brah this sucks I guess, but even the cows are treated nicely from the farm I buy from.
A lot of the fukers live in the fields by my house for most of the year (those that are not for dairy). Only thing I don't really know about is how they die.. but at least their standard of living is good.

But you're right, maybe I should look into soy or someother alternative. Only thing is it tastes CHAT.
Nah brah, I also know the farmer again. Their conditions are pretty good, srs. A real benefit of living in the country means you can get chit direct from farmer who you know treats the animals well.Cheers breh, will still try to improve where I can.

I only Eat Chicken

We've talked about this before, Cap. It's time for you to live by your belief system and give up supporting these medieval, disgusting gulags, brah. Most humans deep down don't want to harm animals. We're an entirely non-obligate omnivorous being, meaning we can live on either meat, plants or both. We have the evolved ability to eat meat in cases of lack of plant food. We do not have the obligate carnivorousism in us, like a lion does, which absolutely MUST eat meat or it dies.

Your reaction is that of the sane, rational, non-brainwashed human. Veganism is healthier, can reverse the majority of devastation we've wrought on the planet, and is obviously more compassionate to our animal cousins.I commend you on seeing the light, brah. But chickens and fish are still sentient. A fish pulled from water has one of the worst deaths of all, because it's like you being dragged into water along with other humans, in a net, and just being held there until you're either crushed by other humans or suffocate to death.

Chickens... they also have a chitty life, whether for eggs or slaughter:




You're from the UK too, brah. Let me tell you, the Asians get a lot of flack for their animal abuse, but right now 100,000 Chinese people are protesting the impending Yulin. All nations have the most disgusting of animal abuse, and our "more civilised" country is no better:




And those Liveleak videos you refuse to watch are just the illegal torture practices the sick pieces of chit who work inside do for kicks. Even the standard textbook legal practices are fukken repugnant and if you look into them, you will be sickened, brah.Lab meat is coming, brah. But in the mean time, you can be better and give up the chicken and fish! Plenty of protein in plants!You're not weird, brah.

You're actually just a fukkin piece of chit, so please, get terminal cancer and die in agony and terror. Thanks.This. Animal agrilculture is absolutely ravaging our climate and ecology the world over:

www.cowspiracy.com/facts

The western diet, which contains far, far too many animal products, are causing the obesity, cancers and diabetes epidemics, and is utterly bankrupting western healthcare systems:

www.nutritionfacts.org

And it is the most repugnant, unnaturally barbaric infliction of inimaginable suffering and terror and barbarism onto our sentient, intelligent animal evolutionary cousins:

http://www.nationearth.com/earthlings-1/Nature isn't nice. But what we are doing to animals now is not even natural. So far from natural... it is a synthetic torture and death machine with the most seemingly fictional hell-like scenarios for aniamls.

The difference is a cat has to eat meat or die. It's an obligate carnivore (fuk vegans who try to veganise their cats), and that mouse, even if eaten alive for 15 minutes before it dies, is still the life the animals in factory farms would beg for compared to what they actually go through, breh.This statement always makes me laugh.

There is nothing less manly than one paying people to enslave, torture and kill defenceless, innocent, terrified animals, because like a baby crying for his bottle, one can't live without their bacon or steak, because they're weak-willed as fuk.You're already half-way there, brah. But remember, be weary of justifying anything that has a victim with "I like..." This comparison might shock you, seem sensationalist and seem incompatible, but imagine a rapist in court telling the jury "But I enjoy sex" as his justification for rape. It wouldn't hold up very well would it? Now, again, before anyone is shocked, let me break down this comparison. In western nations we live with an abundance of alternatives for our nutrition. Bountiful plantfood that contains absolutely everything we need. The only reason we have left to consume animals is because we like the taste pleasure. Ergo, we support and fund these horrific torture chambers and inflict such cruelty and barbarism onto animals... for no other reason than pleasure. It is no different to dog fighting or zoos.Dairy is the absolute worst industry of all when you pay attention to the process, my friend. Female cows go through the same stresses as raped women, because, well, they are raped... and again, before you think that's sensationalist, they are actually put into a device that the industry itself refers to as "a rape rack".

Then they have their offspring snatched away from them where it will lie locked in a wooden box in darkness for veal. Imagine the grief and heartbreak a mother goes through losing a child... well, that's cows in the dairy industry. Yet instead of time to grieve, they're stood on concrete for 14-18 hours a day, with a metal apparatus constantly sucking at their udders until their udders turn blackened and swollen, and so the milk has to have hormones pumped into it to clear infections that might pass onto humans. She'll be in this machine for 2 years until her body finally collapses from exhaustion... and then she's sent to slaughter anyway:





Oh and about eggs:

Wow... a fellow Welsh vegan! You're making me proud, brah!
Absolutely not a solution. These solutions have to be applied to the entire human race, especially now animal agriculture is utterly ravaging our climate and ecology the world over. So all the wild fish and animals in the world just simply aren't in abundance enough for all 7.5 billion people to hunt and kill.

But what we do have is the apparatus and technology to sustain the entire globe on plant food, and its environmental impact would be a fraction of what animal agriculture's impact right now.Oh this stupid response again.

There is no moral quandary, you fat fukkin moron.

Plants have no central nervous system. They react entirely autonomously to stimuli on a chemical level. They're not aware of any pain, emotion or their existence on a conscious level.

What's more, let's just play into your childish fantasy that plants feel pain, it would still make sense to have a vegan world, considering far more plants die as a result of animal agriculture, considering we need to feed 50+ billion a year, than would under an entirely vegan 7.5 billion population.

So yeah, vegan world = fewer plant deaths and of course far, far fewer animal deaths.


IN CLOSING: Watch a world class, Harvard PhD psychologist explain how we've developed along this path of madness and ridiculous consumption of meat and addiction to it






AndEVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST Richard GOAT Dawkinsexplain the absurdity of treating other animals as LESSER than us, when they are, in fact, our evolutionary cousins, and only have such distinction between us now because the intermediary species went extinct!

^Yeah man, it's sad. An ongoing animal holocaust that many people don't give a fuk about. I've been on and off a vegan diet, can cut out meat easy but eliminating dairy completely is quite tough

Goddam

I am sure third world s*bhumans will stop treating animals badly when yet another bored, overfed westerner turns Vegan. Good move bro.

Thanks, breh. I did reply to you as well, but fukk'd up the formatting, but now it's fixed!

This.

Best post I've ever seen on misc.

400mil less animals killed in a year in the US alone because of the reduction in meat consumption:http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/an...mals-30062015/

Think more. c'mon..
man I thought that would be one of the hardest things to cut out too, but almond milk on my cereal is hnnnnnngggggg, and alpro original soy milk for my tea / coffee tastes better than milk ever did imo

Yeah, I need to try harder. I don't really drink milk or anything, it just seems that dairy is in a lot of products.

I should Google but what are your favorite vegan protein sources?

absolutely halal

yeah, thats the most annoying thing. They put it in everything, it's done me a lot of good though because I used to eat ready-meals all the dam time. Now I've finally learned to cook my food properly lol. Just the standard beans, lentils, nuts, etc. I'm still learning myself though tbh. Also use myprotein vegan blend protein shakes right now. Chocolate flavour tastes great. Its on offer at the moment 12 per bag

Hey dumb fuk,WATCH THESE.











Lmao @ praying before torturing, dragging, abusing, kicking and chopping an animal in a frenzy. As if praying ever did anything for anyone, or any animal. Idiot.

Get your mouth off Abdullah's cawk for a moment, and see things for how they really are.

Negged.

how convenient that all these 'intermediaries' went extinct without any traces left behind! so amazing and makes you wonder

anyways on topic why do zoos, seaworlds, aquariams exist my holier than thou misc friends? why is it ok to force whales to learn weird tricks all for the amusement of humans when it's been documented to cause them severe stress which they must endure for their entire EXISTENCE whereas these cows feel abit of pain then die

bunch sjw ghey ****s gon ghey **** sitting atop that pretty little high horse, how about staying in your lane and stop dictating to others what is 'ethical', what is 'humane'