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Thread: There aren't actually grown ass adult men who want to ban "assault" weapons right?

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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
he didnt mow people down in one place, he ran around campus shooting people who didn't know what was going on which is a bit different.
Right, and he killed 32, if I recall correctly. If he had a mass of people all in one place he would have been even more effective.
Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
If he tried to ambush a club or something people would have escaped unless the gun was firing quick as fuk.
Again, a Glock handgun fires at the same rate as an AR15 or any comparable weapon.

The Orlando shooter used a semiautomatic rifle... which doesn't fire any faster than any semiautomatic handgun.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
I have not once mentioned an AR-15, I dont know what that means. All I know is there are guns legally available that go beyond the basic function of self-defense

inb4 I cant shoot with a pistol so I need an automatic rifle
For the 100th time, the guns aren't automatic, you fukin tard


You do realize all the guns you're referring to are semi-automatic, along with all the "basic handguns", as you so eloquently phrased, right??
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
I'm not a liberal, I'm a common sense conservative.

aka not voting for trump
You're just as conservative as John McCain.
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
Not one modern mass shooting has been done with an automatic rifle, ie, a machine gun.
Doesn't change the fact that you don't need one for self-defense, which is what I said
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
Um... why?
In a practical scenario of course, AR platforms are easy to manipulate, but I find handguns much easier and I would fair better in a self-defense scenario

On top of that, much bigger exit wound and damage, whereas with enough adrenaline pumping .223 to non-critical areas isn't guaranteed to stop

Just me brah, home defense im grabbing the shotgun first, glock 21 second and AR 3rd
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post 1448270993 06-17-2016, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
Doesn't change the fact that you don't need one for self-defense, which is what I said
Don't need what, a semiautomatic rifle?

That's like saying you don't need a handgun because you could potentially defend yourself with a sharp stick.
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
Right, and he killed 32, if I recall correctly. If he had a mass of people all in one place he would have been even more effective.




Again, a Glock handgun fires at the same rate as an AR15 or any comparable weapon.

The Orlando shooter used a semiautomatic rifle... which doesn't fire any faster than any semiautomatic handgun.
all you're doing is proving that even lower level guns can cause mass destruction. It's worse than I thought before this thread.

I'm willing to say that everyone should be allowed a basic hand gun but if you're saying people can just as easily get slaughtered with that well fuk
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We should stop making this about self-defense.

The second amendment aint for hunting, it ain't for self defense, its our RIGHT. We don't need a phucking reason.
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
Don't need what, a semiautomatic rifle?

That's like saying you don't need a handgun because you could potentially defend yourself with a sharp stick.
You have to draw a line somewhere, basic handgun is enough. If you cant defend yourself with that, lay down and rot
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Originally Posted By Talason⏩
In a practical scenario of course, AR platforms are easy to manipulate, but I find handguns much easier and I would fair better in a self-defense scenario

On top of that, much bigger exit wound and damage, whereas with enough adrenaline pumping .223 to non-critical areas isn't guaranteed to stop
The only guaranteed stop is a CNS hit, doesn't matter the caliber. .223 terminal ballistics are far superior to .45 or any other service handgun caliber.

If you're more comfortable and famliar with a handgun, by all means use a handgun, but I think you need to do some research on wound ballistics.
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Originally Posted By Talason⏩
In a practical scenario of course, AR platforms are easy to manipulate, but I find handguns much easier and I would fair better in a self-defense scenario

On top of that, much bigger exit wound and damage, whereas with enough adrenaline pumping .223 to non-critical areas isn't guaranteed to stop

Just me brah, home defense im grabbing the shotgun first, glock 21 second and AR 3rd
This was what I was referencing when that tard said we shouldn't have anything "more powerful than a basic handgun"

Lmao what an insanely stupid statement
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post 1448271533 06-17-2016, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
You have to draw a line somewhere, basic handgun is enough. If you cant defend yourself with that, lay down and rot
Again, using a handgun actually puts others in danger in many instances.

Much harder to shoot accurately and more likely to exit your home and kill a neighbor, or someone else in your own house.
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Originally Posted By Peasantfighter⏩
shut the fuk up, the stats speak for themselves.

The graph shows exactly why people need guns to protect themselves in the US.

ever heard of gang crime?
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Originally Posted By Talason⏩
We should stop making this about self-defense.

The second amendment aint for hunting, it ain't for self defense, its our RIGHT. We don't need a phucking reason.
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Originally Posted By lramos7⏩
i'll drop my 2 cents;

Anecdotally, I interact with way too many idiots on a daily basis. I would say the majority of people alive (84%, andno this number is not arbitrary, its based off standard deviations in IQ breakdown) have average intellect or lower. That's a scary thought. Guns are very powerful and to give an idiot that much power is beyond me. I don't believe banning any type of firearm will solve the problem nor do I feel like its a political issue. When some young kid on the street can take away a life with the pull of a trigger based off of an emotion response, its scary. And yes, I'm aware 99% of rebuttals will be phrased as "If people want to kill, they don't need a gun" which is an accurate statement yet undermines the seriousness of the issue of gun violence. To be honest, I don't believe there is much we can do at this point without either infringing on others rights or creating a market scarcity among a multi-million dollar domestic industry.

tl,dr: idiots are the reason we cant have nice things
Originally Posted By lramos7⏩
I may very well be one of those 84% but you must be from the group below average intellect due to that very impressive reading comprehension. Read through my unedited post again and see if you can understand it on your second try tiger. You have proven my point for me; majority of miscers can't even read correctly without jumping to conclusions.
changed my mind, I do care enough to go back luls.

if you knew anything, you'd know your anecdotal evidence counts for jack. And if you knew how standard deviations work, you'd know that your "fact" is incorrect, and that you might have been right to say that 84% of people are belowmedianintellect, not average.

nice try tiger

EDIT: and then you negged me...lmao. after I repped you. oh well
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
The only guaranteed stop is a CNS hit, doesn't matter the caliber. .223 terminal ballistics are far superior to .45 or any other service handgun caliber.

If you're more comfortable and famliar with a handgun, by all means use a handgun, but I think you need to do some research on wound ballistics.
I intend to actually, thanks for the heads up.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
all you're doing is proving that even lower level guns can cause mass destruction. It's worse than I thought before this thread.

I'm willing to say that everyone should be allowed a basic hand gun but if you're saying people can just as easily get slaughtered with that well fuk
Define a "basic handgun". Most handguns are semi-automatic now, a semi-automatic firearm. Rate of fire is the same. They even make handgun magazines that can rival the capacity of semi-automatic rifles.

There are inherent advantages a rifle has over a pistol. Recoil and accuracy being the biggest. It's also easier to wield with a standard 30rd mag than a glock with a 33rd mag.

I mean, are you talking SA cowboy revolvers like in the civil war or wild west? We moved on from them. We in the 21 century now.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
I'm not a liberal, I'm a common sense conservative. you people call everyone that isn't an ultra conservative a liberal

aka not voting for trump
if youre not voting for trump thats like a vote for hillary. you dont care about our supreme court justices? do you even think, or do you just try to sound enlightened? cuz i bet you dont know dikk
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Originally Posted By amsgator⏩
If only the UK banned guns they'd have one extra MP right now.
France has a strict ban on almost all guns..... How did that work out for them during Charlie Hebdo attack? How did that work out for them November 2015 attack?
I have a little piece of news for all of you idiot cucks.... Terrorists and especially muslime terrorists aren't going to really care much about gun laws when they are planning an attack. It is actually so simple that you are full on retarded if you don't understand this.
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
Define a "basic handgun". Most handguns are semi-automatic now, a semi-automatic firearm. Rate of fire is the same. They even make handgun magazines that can rival the capacity of semi-automatic rifles.

There are inherent advantages a rifle has over a pistol. Recoil and accuracy being the biggest. It's also easier to wield with a standard 30rd mag than a glock with a 33rd mag.

I mean, are you talking SA cowboy revolvers like in the civil war or wild west? We moved on from them. We in the 21 century now.
This guy has never seen the holes some big-boy revolvers can put in people lmao

Jerry Miculek can put many AR shooters to shame with his phuckin revolvers
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Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
if youre not voting for trump thats like a vote for hillary. you dont care about our supreme court justices? do you even think, or do you just try to sound enlightened? cuz i bet you dont know dikk
Not voting for neither.

Like our votes actually matter at all brah.

The person that will win is the one the corporations/businesses/wealthy cronies are able to buy.
That one always wins.

The elections are a joke.

Every single voter that ever votes can wipe his behind with that voting slip, because its all that is worth.
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Originally Posted By Talason⏩
On top of that, much bigger exit wound and damage, whereas with enough adrenaline pumping .223 to non-critical areas isn't guaranteed to stop

Just me brah, home defense im grabbing the shotgun first, glock 21 second and AR 3rd
you have no clue what youre talking about. but here you are, and some people who dont know better probably believe you. shame.
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Originally Posted By NotBigEnough206⏩
Not voting for neither.

Like our votes actually matter at all brah.

The person that will win is the one the corporations/businesses/wealthy cronies are able to buy.
That one always wins.

The elections are a joke.

Every single voter that ever votes can wipe his behind with that voting slip, because its all that is worth.
read your comment above about gun rights, thought you might be smart. read this and i see youre part of the problem, sad.

and you maybe right. but i dont agree with how you go about it. if you dont vote youre a scumbag. srs. nothing personal, i mean seriously. its unamerican
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Originally Posted By fishnbrah⏩
read your comment above about gun rights, thought you might be smart. read this and i see youre part of the problem, sad.

and you maybe right. but i dont agree with how you go about it. if you dont vote youre a scumbag. srs. nothing personal, i mean seriously. its unamerican
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Originally Posted By Talason⏩
This guy has never seen the holes some big-boy revolvers can put in people lmao

Jerry Miculek can put many AR shooters to shame with his phuckin revolvers
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Originally Posted By NotBigEnough206⏩
Vote for who man? Hillary or Trump.

Are you serious?

Want to see this country ruined, vote for them. go ahead.

I wont.
At the end of the day, I'd rather have Trump than a career-politician, Washington insider for almost half a century and pathological liar.

Allowing her to win is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted By Talason⏩
At the end of the day, I'd rather have Trump than a career-politician, Washington insider for almost half a century and pathological liar.

Allowing her to win is ridiculous.
But then a total moron a complete embarrassment to any man that has ever picked up a book.
On top of that a Racist Bigot?
You think that will go better.
You see where I am coming from, cant vote for neither nor will I.
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
The population, since 2004, has increased (9%)... the number of guns has increased...and the number of AR15's has exploded because the "assault weapons ban" ended in 2004... BUT the number of firearm homicides continue to diminish.

2004 (Assault weapons ban lifted, making them [AR15s] legal)
Population: 292,800,000
Firearm Homicides: 9,326
Rifle Homicides: 393
So 1 firearm homicide for every 31,396 U.S. citizens, and only 1/24 (4%) of those committed with a rifle. That means ALL rifles, not just AR15... meaning something less than 4% of homicides involved an AR15.

2014 (10 years of "assault weapons" flooding the streets)
Population: 318,900,000
Firearm Homicides: 8,124
Rifle Homicides: 248
One firearm homicide for every 39,254 U.S citizens, and only 1/33 (3%) involved a rifle.

So in the 10 years since AR15's became widely available and prolifically owned, while the U.S. population increased by 9%:
- Total # of firearm homicides have decreased
- Total # of rifle homicides have decreased
- Firearm homicide rates have decreased
- Rifle homicide rates have decreased


So your strategy for risk mitigation is to go after the one weapon that is used in the least amount of firearm homicides, at the lowest rate, and at a rate that is continuing to drop?
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Originally Posted By NotBigEnough206⏩
But then a total moron a complete embarrassment to any man that has ever picked up a book.
On top of that a Racist Bigot?
You think that will go better.
You see where I am coming from, cant vote for neither nor will I.
I have a hard time calling anyone with a 9 billion dollar net worth a moron

It is a pretty chitty election tho
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
Not one modern mass shooting has been done with an automatic rifle, ie, a machine gun.
Not true in the least IMO. Most mass shootings are done with machine guns. Rich white people just like to pretend like the rest of the world doesn't exist.
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