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post 1450670263 07-01-2016, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted By blumpkin415⏩
It confuses me when I hear people in the media, politicians, or other people ignorant of guns say "no one needs an AR-15 because they are not useful for home defense". Um, actually the AR platform is the PERFECT home defense firearm.
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
Here in CA they are a poor choice imo - good luck fumbling with a bullet button (Not any more! thanks Jerry Brown!) on your 10 round mag at 2am if you didn't manage to disable all the fine young men who decided to come spread the Word of Jesus Christ
I still don't understand how California can have all these gun restrictions and have them not be deemed unconstitutional. And why is Jerry Brown still in office? He should have been recalled by now.
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Originally Posted By Briangumble⏩
I still don't understand how California can have all these gun restrictions and have them not be deemed unconstitutional. And why is Jerry Brown still in office? He should have been recalled by now.
Let me tell you something about our state bro, we don't actually like the Constitution because it's old and racist and chit.


The bills that passed all came from SF reps, the absolute leftist of the left.
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Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
Both have their place, and both would serve well as HD weapons, but you'd be better equipped with a rifle. Much better range, much easier to hit what you're aiming at, typically higher magazine capacity and much more powerful rounds.

Plus rifles are more intimidating, so it's more likely a home invader would run away, which is much more preferable to shooting them.
Yeah I think the intimidation factor would be good. I'd rather knock someone out cold rather than have bloodshed, but if it's between myself and family / loved ones, tour is over for my enemy.

Funny a few years ago I used to be against owning a gun. Frankly guns to a degree intimidate me, but I have shot some a few times and am working on being comfortable with them.
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Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
Have you tried shooting these different types of firearms?




Both have their place, and both would serve well as HD weapons, but you'd be better equipped with a rifle. Much better range, much easier to hit what you're aiming at, typically higher magazine capacity and much more powerful rounds.

Plus rifles are more intimidating, so it's more likely a home invader would run away, which is much more preferable to shooting them.
I'm not saying the AR-15 is useless but in my opinion I would feel safer in a close quarters life or death situation with a handgun or shotgun. If i'm waiting on the intruder or are from a distance then I would take the AR-15.
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
Yeah I think the intimidation factor would be good.I'd rather knock someone out cold rather than have bloodshed, but if it's between myself and family / loved ones, tour is over for my enemy.

Funny a few years ago I used to be against owning a gun. Frankly guns to a degree intimidate me, but I have shot some a few times and am working on being comfortable with them.
I agree. I have no sympathy for some scumbag who breaks into homes with the intent of harming the occupants, but shooting someone in that situation should always be the absolute last resort.

Glad to hear you've come around to 2A rights too man. Gun rights are civil rights, and we need as many people supporting it as possible.
Originally Posted By BryantVII⏩
I'm not saying the AR-15 is useless but in my opinion I would feel safer in a close quarters life or death situation with a handgun or shotgun. If i'm waiting on the intruder or are from a distance then I would take the AR-15.
Trust me man, you are much more capable of protecting yourself with a rifle than a pistol, even at close range.
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Originally Posted By jackNcokebrah⏩
brb 5.56 going to prenetrate through every wall in your house
wut dat mean "high velocity fragmentation?"
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
Yeah I think the intimidation factor would be good. I'd rather knock someone out cold rather than have bloodshed, but if it's between myself and family / loved ones, tour is over for my enemy.

Funny a few years ago I used to be against owning a gun. Frankly guns to a degree intimidate me, but I have shot some a few times and am working on being comfortable with them.
Your skillset allows you to knock someone out like that though... to most people learning to shoot a firearm is much easier and more practical than learning to fight.

As far as intimidation goes, I always get my slides racked back on my guns around the house, normally without a magazine in them as well. Only one that stays loaded is the one by my bed. The rest need about 2 seconds of prep to be operable. And hearing the slide rack forward on a pistol is similar to a rifle, you know what that sound means. Intimidation factor is still there, not to mention having a firearm pointed at you. Doesn't matter what it is, being on the other end of something that can end you that quickly should intimidate you regardless.
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Originally Posted By YIAMSOMEBODY⏩
Fukcing lulzed so hard!

Wowzers. You make this?
Real talk dude, you have a fuked up sense of humor
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You guys really do seem to relish in the prospect of someone breaking into your house.
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Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
Both have their place, and both would serve well as HD weapons, but you'd be better equipped with a rifle. Much better range, much easier to hit what you're aiming at, typically higher magazine capacity and much more powerful rounds.

Plus rifles are more intimidating, so it's more likely a home invader would run away, which is much more preferable to shooting them.
Unless you have lots of land or a big house, AR-15 is not advantageous at all.

I would honestly rather have a glock for the mobility, or a Saiga-12 with a drum mag.

Pump-action shotguns are always a good option, simply because you can keep them loaded indefinitely without bullet deformation.
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Originally Posted By 420Layers⏩
Pump-action shotguns are always a good option, simply because you can keep them loaded indefinitely without bullet deformation.
lol wut

Oh, you mean as compared to a mag fed shotgun.

Sure... just like any rifle or pistol.

Pump shotguns have to be the most overrated and misunderstood HD weapon of all time.
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Originally Posted By 420Layers⏩
Unless you have lots of land or a big house, AR-15 is not advantageous at all.
I'd take an AR over a pump shotgun anyday.

Way less recoil, way more ammo, way easier to manipulate... and still extremely effective ballistics.
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
lol wut

Oh, you mean as compared to a mag fed shotgun.

Sure... just like any rifle or pistol.

Pump shotguns have to be the most overrated and misunderstood HD weapon of all time.
Well, I meant internal tube-mag weapons. If you leave bullets in stacked mags for too long they can deform.
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Originally Posted By Millington⏩
You guys really do seem to relish in the prospect of someone breaking into your house.
No we dont, that's the last thing I want. Depending in state laws there are legal consequences for shooting a home invader. I'd prefer to just chase them off. But then you've got some criminal knowing you own guns.

Maybe you have castle doctrine and the legal right to open fire... but what if this individual has gang ties?

It's an all around bad situation nobody wants.
Originally Posted By 420Layers⏩
Unless you have lots of land or a big house, AR-15 is not advantageous at all.

I would honestly rather have a glock for the mobility, or a Saiga-12 with a drum mag.

Pump-action shotguns are always a good option, simply because you can keep them loaded indefinitely without bullet deformation.
Don't know that I agree about keeping a pump shotgun loaded indefintely, but honestly it all comes down to whatever you're comfortable with.
Originally Posted By 420Layers⏩
Well, I meant internal tube-mag weapons. If you leave bullets in stacked mags for too long they can deform.
I have a saiga 12, and the mag seems to stack the ammo in such a way that the contact stress is more on the metal base of the shells than on the plastic.

Keeping a loaded mag in the gun can deform the front of the shell, but due to the AK action you can simply force the bolt shut.
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Originally Posted By Millington⏩
You guys really do seem to relish in the prospect of someone breaking into your house.
I live by myself it's a fear of mine dead srs.
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Originally Posted By jackNcokebrah⏩
brb 30 inch long with suppressor
brb trying to maneuver a 2 ft long weapon through doors
brb trying to be james bond instead of practical
brb worried about "hearing safety" during a home invasion, just lol
brb 5.56 going to prenetrate through every wall in your house

dumbasses gonna dumbass
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
I live by myself it's a fear of mine dead srs.
If I was black, under 200lbs and living in Texas, it'd be a fear of mine too mayne.

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Originally Posted By BlueSasquatch⏩
If I was black, under 200lbs and living in Texas, it'd be a fear of mine too mayne.

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but I can fight at least ha.

My buddy was at my house last night with his 9mm. He is trying to get me to buy a gun. I probably will just because. I got friends here but my family is in Georgia. I'm a pretty vigilant person and a night owl and lay low but yea...**** that can't take chances.
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Originally Posted By sword_⏩
I live by myself it's a fear of mine dead srs.
I know this feel. Its not that we want a home invasion to happen, but it's comforting have an AK with a 40 round mag and a bayonet.
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Only downside I see is you'll be deaf after, good weapon otherwise. Surprised you didn't go the AR pistol route blump
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
I'd take an AR over a pump shotgun anyday.

Way less recoil, way more ammo, way easier to manipulate... and still extremely effective ballistics.
There's a reason the BTDT types don't choose a shot gun for HD any more. Handguns or AR, shot gun are old news and sub par choice the bubba's think have dat der "knock down power" and such. There's a legit argument for the pistol vs AR and pros and cons to either. There's no legit debate of a shot gun over the AR at this point for reasons you touch on. What ever one has the most training with and comfortable with is probably the best choice of the three, but all things being equal, shotguns are not even in the running these days.
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What about when a bullet goes through your wall and hits the neighbors daughter suzzy


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Originally Posted By BlueSasquatch⏩
I restore axes as a hobby, have around 300 of them, maybe 50 currently restored and sharpened, literally every room of the house has about a dozen.



If you think a home invader won't 360 his ass outta there upon entry, you got another thing coming boyo.




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Add a laser blumpkins. Indoors especially at night that'll be very helpful to put shots on target. Put the on sensor at the grip so when you pick the weapon up and grab the grip, it turns the laser on.
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Originally Posted By Workout4ever⏩
What about when a bullet goes through your wall and hits the neighbors daughter suzzy
You know typical handgun rnds will pass through walls easier than 5.56 right? That's another myth of handgun vs AR in 5.56/.223

For some, counter intuitive, until you understand the mechanics behind it. It's amazing what 9mm will go through.
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*edit: Will the Wizard. Here's more info

Just for the sake of contributing to the discussion, because I think it is very important to hit the "bad guy" and not your family, here is some good info. This is not for the sake of argument but just general learning, with the hopes of making people SAFER.

#1) Nothing will take the place of TRAINING with your firearm. A bullet that hits your target after positive identification is better than a miss due to inexperience.

#2) Knowledge of ballistics, especially "yaw" and "fragmentation". NOTE: I AM NOT A BALLISTICS EXPERT. This is just information
http://www.mlefiaa.org/files/ERPR/Te...erformance.pdf





I don't think the discussion will ever be over because there are far too many confounding factors involved.

Ending thought: train, train, train...drill in the dark after being awoken suddenly, with snap caps, get used to the maneuverability in your home, trigger/aim discipline, clearing jams etc. I don't think any pro 2A'er would disagree that a firearm in the hands of an untrained individual is extremely dangerous.
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