Oh damn looks like I hit a bullseye in the other thread:
http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showth...post1453574013

You guys need to stop arguing with JDMS13, he is an illegal trying to get more of his family across the border, hence why he supports Johnson and hence why he supported Kasich.

youre a fukking commie bro. youre happy beinga broke dikk and hold a grudge against successful people. i feel sorry for you, its really not your fault though. thats what 8 years of obama has done to this world. srs.

She's not the reason I'm not voting. It's all the things that I posted in this thread and the other numerous times that he has been caught lying or just changing his mind about something aka flip flopping.

Well you're wrong again just like you always are hence why you never actually been able to prove me wrong. Also it was pretty hillarious seeing you guys try to make Kasich look bad when he was the best candidate for the GOP and the country.

Of all the garbage you've spouted - this statement concerns me particularly.

Can you imagine what happens when you mix the completely impoverished and destitute citizens in the US in with you in your middle class community? Let's do some critical thinking here for the long run - what exactly is it that you think would happen? These people just keep to themselves while you go about your life? Come on son...

You think there's absolutely no consequence of there being slums throughout the country while you're set on going to your daily 8-5 job? What happens to crime? What happens with disease? Where in the world is the humanity?

If you'd like an example - please consider Brazil. This is exactly the situation there.Do you know the definition of communism? Can you make the distinction between communism and socilaism? Can you even distinguish liberalism? Or does your intelligence not carry you that far?
I mean really, can you not even make the distinction that in order for a society to advance - it needs to do so as a whole? There can't be any pathetic bickering between population groups. I mean really - it's this essential fact that distinguishes the academic intellectuals as liberals.

I mean really, how far do you think being ignorant, ego-centric and selfish will carry you in the grand scheme of things?

And really, you just calling me a 'broke dikk'? Lol dude. Is that the best you can do? I mean yea, if you really can't even make a sound argument I guess all there's left to resort to is name calling like we did at 5 years old playing in the sandbox.

And hey, I am by far about to be successful. Please see my sig if you would like. And a little inside tip - I got this far by working well with others and being considerate to them.You seem to fancy ad hominem attacks eh? I'm not surprised. Such fallacious logic seems to be all anyone's got in terms of justification in situations like these. Fallacious logic is simply like 'noise' that's made while the intelligent ones do the talking.

It's useless, aggravating and completely unnecessary.1. So he's going to lower taxes? Have you heard his pathetic business plan? I haven't. No one has. That's because it sounds so good that it doesn't exist
2. Fearlessly address immigration issues? Really? And building a wall will do what, aside from waste your money? 50% of illegals came in illegally and thinking a wall is going to change anything - the rest of the world is laughing at you.Fallacious logic by appealing to emotion and argument from ignorance.
3. SJW? Social justice warrior? I've absolutely no idea what you've got with this. A president should do what a president should? This is a pathetic statement.
4.Fallacious logic via false dilemma.
5. I really don't even know what you've got with this. Tells it like it is? I guess it might be an issue here with PC culture becoming rampant - but in other countries, it isn't.

You continuously address Hilary and Bernie like it's even worth the effort. You repeatedly commit fallacies including false dilemmas. The US has two utterly terrible leading presidential candidates because of the ignorance of people like you.


But hey, go right ahead and choose him. Let's see if he's actually capable of achieving anything once y'all have devoted your eggs to his basket. The rest of the world can think logically - which his arguments do not consist of. It will be a rather comical situation to say the least.

I live 20 minutes away from the bad part of town and people are still getting robbed at gunpoint over here. What's the solution to poor people?

No you're wrong as I've proven every time.

Sorry, people aren't interested in flooding the country with third world democratic voters, I'm sure your cousins can make it over the border in the next few months though.

i support trump and im not even american.

i know who you are as a person just by your posts if the shoe fits wear it, you mad? socialism is communism.

Amigo, a vote for Hillary is a vote against Trump, and vice versa. Surely you can choose the one you prefer.

Do tell where I've said I wanted an open border. Also just because I point out all the lies trump says doesn't mean I'm an illegal I know you're not very bright but I would like to imagine that even a retard could understand that. So you're just a paranoid kid that uses lame comments rather than facts.

If Trump wins, maybe some of America's new found pride will spill over to Canada and help undo some of Trudeau's cucking. #MCGA

communism is just socialism with an authoritarian government. iirc.

either way, neither have a place in America or anywhere for that matter. they are fairy tale horse**** theorized to work in a society that doesnt exist.

and i dont think you understand much about macro econ if youre comparing america to brazil...

1. Sounds like you're hating the player for simply playing the game and taking advantage of the rules, instead of hating the game which is rigged. Now that one of the players is trying to bring up the fact that it's rigged it's silly to point out that he was playing the game. Of course he was. So do you. So do I. We all play the game of life and try to do our best. We all try to have things as best for our personal goals.

2. Trump is an ass. and yes he lies and makes mistakes same as we all do. I actually WANT an ass to represent my interests when sitting across the table from KGB agents and hereditary dictators. I would want THE most arseholest quick thinking sharp sneaky conniving snake shark businessman to do it. Not some cuckold like say Sanders or piece of trash fake like Clinton.

3. You accused ME of being racist. You also accuse Misc of racism. This is silly. I experienced racism and I can tell you 100% Misc doesn't even know what racism is. These are totally harmless dudes on internet who lift weights and talk sheit sometimes online. In fact, even if someone wanted say no jews or no blacks or no Asians in one's neighborhood that is STILL not racist. Racist is if one thinks and most importantly SAYS OUT LOUD REPEATEDLY that one race is BETTER than the other. You see? Important difference. Wanting to live next to people of your specific background is not racist. Not to mention that nobody here even says that. Trump and his voters are NOT against immigrants. They are against ILLEGAL immigrants.

1. Would you like there to be more 'bad part[s] of town'? Because that's exactly what you would get.
2. Solution? Such would take me collaborating with other problem solvers (not such as yourself or others who can't even adhere to logic) and much effort to come up with. Let's be honest, Trump doesn't possess this intellectual capacity. He can hardly even collaborate with others. I mean jee, he fired his senior political adviser who was with him since day 1.
What prevents extreme right wing conservatism being harnessed by the 'power of the people' and to prevent it from toppling over into the area of authoritarianism? And what establishes complete authority over the president/government so as much to keep him from removing this harness? Srs

Do you think authoritarian societies always existed as such? Absolutely not. Trump is a loose cannon - end of story. He can't even maintain a stance on important issues for any long period of time.

I bring up Brazil at it exemplifies the divide between upper and lower class. I do know macro econ, no worries about that. Such does not apply in this situation unless someone holds Trump to adhering to the policies he spouts without refrain. Such would never happen. Such is deceit. And such happens very frequently in American politics - with some individuals much more than others.

If you don't like Brazil, please consider any country with slums. Attempting to minimize - or even eliminate - welfare will result in this. I really don't see any other option - do you?

1. If I'm going to use your "logic" then why are you hating all those people you think are bad ? why not hate the game ? and if you give trump a pass why not give them a pass ? see you're just contradicting yourself.

2. I don't care if he's an ass and he's terrible at making decisions. Theres lots of times that he has fuced up or burned bridges with people. He also has a very sensitive ego.

3. The misc is pretty racist and anyone who thinks that it's not has not been here for a long time. I've experienced racism both in real and in here heck just take a look at some of the comments here. Also you're not exactly saying anything you're just going on a rant. So once again, trump does attract racists not sure why you're having a difficult time accepting that.

I'm done. If this country goes straight down the hole, I'll just move north and revoke my US passport.

I'll get in my chair, turn on CBC and grab the popcorn.

By supporting Johnson and Kasich.

Yes I know, it's very upsetting that some of your kin may be physically removed, c'est la vie for those here illegally.

Once again, can you prove that I support an open border ? I still remember how a lot of you were spreading lies that Soros was funding Kasich and all the other lies you kids spread. It goes to show that you guys don't know jack sht and just assume things.

I'm still waiting to get a serious response.

THAT is your take on what he said? Jesus christ, I have absolutely no idea how concluded with this.

C'est la vie, tu es tres stupide.

1) you are confusing SJW with gay acceptance. I accept Gays, not SJW. SJW are professional victims and factually wrong in all of their claims. They are for protecting criminals, against free speech, anti-male, welfare state, big government, actions based on feelings, etc etc. get your $hit straight bra. trump is literally the least SJW of all time. thats why all libs are rustled by his "racist" comments
2)deficit aint going away until the fed goes away. in the meantime shrinking government = win. low taxes = win
3) again, gay acceptance =/= SJW.
4) oh no he has jewish friends??? lol strong.
5) too many sources linked.
6) then why isnt their a conviction smart guy?
7) one convinced against their will is of the same opinion still.

what prevents it? from what i know about the US government is that its designed to prevent exactly that.

as for the slums and welfare. you dont get the poor out of poverty by killing their incentive. i agree with you that poverty and crime appear to be a major porblem in america but doubling the min wage and handing out free degrees isnt going to fix that, i assure you my bro.

Gets asked question, doesn't answer it and adheres to insults

Hey, they're not going to give any serious responses. If things go to sh!t - we'll be the ones who tried to keep it from happening.
Seriously, their brains are completely incapable of critically thinking and adhering to logic - it's even been proven. The best they can do is completely futile - committing illogical fallacies one after another, built on ignorance as they continue to completely misconstrue logical statements made by their opponents.



If these 'cucks' really want to pursue their lord and savior in his commitment for a wall, they'll understand the shortcoming soon enough. The border is not the problem - we already know this, yet they'll choose to deny it.



These types of arguments show the limitations of their thinking. Non-Americans recognize this (and many Americans do), yet it falls on deaf ears. They care none about the US, only for showmanship. They're willing to take blind chances of ultimate value based on no demonstration of capability. True American patriots are a dying breed.


I mean, take this guy for example.
1. His best argument is simply to point out how I haven't given a solution to poverty. Such would require tremendous effort and collaboration to devise. And ultimately, the logic of the solution - he wouldn't be able to comprehend.
2. I'm being labelled as using insults. How many times have I used works like 'cuck' and such? Very few. Insults is the absolute last resort in a debate when one has completely run out of logical reasoning. I have never come close to such.

The reasoning is limited. Their thinking capacity is constrained. Providing logical answers - isn't even worth the effort: someone will proceed to go off on some irrelevant tangent, completely ignore what you say, or even become as comical as saying 'didn't read lol'.

Such is the support America has backing her. I fail to see potential progression of society in the future if these are the loudest voices to be heard.


And then there's this guy:
He seems to think that despite the such rapidly changing political climate in America - in terms of acceptance and in-acceptance of immigrants, that the 40 years time span is even worth looking at. Such is absolutely completely worthless. And he ends that it will 'shift again'. Well jee, if it does - I think it would be due to causes of ignorance more than anything else. Because as is, it's on a decline and doesn't even need changing.

Then again, he cites a number of factoids with absolutely no support. My favorite one is 'increased unemployment' which has time and time again been proven wrong.He's completely wrong in every statement he's made - I know such, as I have data to support such. Will I provide them? Psh, absolutely not. He completely disregarded the effort to say such garbage to me that I won't even bother.He's been completely brainwashed by biased media.It's almost like we're supposed to accept what he says at face value, without a single shred of skepticism.

1) slow down their captain liberal pro government canadian. since when does lowering taxes lead to chaos and poverty? Last I checked Trump was lowering taxes across the bored. Lower taxes = smaller government = more freedom = more liberties = more capabilities of citizens = economic growth rather than governmental growth. This is what originally brought America to superpower. Also, many of the slums of America are coming from our immigration policy that basically imports poverty, doubles our population, and grows the welfare state.

2) immigration is a problem. Trump addresses it. No one else does. Whats the problem? hurting peoples feelings who dont lnow any better?

3) the rest of your rebuttal is by definition this:

1. The word SJW means Social Justice Warrior and the gay community is a part of that.
2. No this has nothing to do with the fed this has to do with how the government spends money. His plan is going to fail. They already added his numbers up. Even if he were to bring back those jobs from mexico, china etc and he cut all the wasteful spending the deficit would be 544 billion dollars.
3.Again, it's a part of the SJW movement.
4. Well you're complaining about the establishment, media and alot them are jews. Nothing wrong with that.
5. Not that you care about actually reading but here's him flip flopping on H1B visas.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...on-h-1b-visas/

Here's the video and straight from his mouth.


Here's him flip flopping on Lybia
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watc...i-689983555536

Him flip flopping on abortion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...uld-handle-it/

Here's another list of all the things he has flip flopped on
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/31/politi...ns-flip-flops/

6. The lawsuit is still in play smart one. Also you have yet to prove to me why it wasn't a scam. He has also already paid like 800k to one plaintiff.

7. Let me guess you're going to ignore all the evidence I posted with some stupid lame argument.

so both of those papers are drawing conclusions based on 4-10 year time spans of policy that has been around for 40+ years. Completely ignoring the 40+ years that immigration has doubled our population, increased the welfare state, and increased unemployment. So when America once again starts to turn a profit years after the recession and the equilibrium we are at with mexico shifts again, then what?

Agreed. It's rare to come across Republicans that are not brainwashed and have critical thinking skills.

2) hahaha not even a basic understanding. The fed IS how the government spends money.
6) exactly my point....... innocent until proven guilty

those flip flopping points couldnt be less important. And you know damn well you wouldnt be holding any other candidate to such scrutiny; expecting them to never change their stance on anything. I would say thats even more dangerous than someone who "flip flops".

its still very obvious. you just attack him because you dont like him. and you dont like him cause you are ghetto and from santa maria. You and Lompoc are the bungholes of the 805