Having a nice bod is a plus, but definitely not a deciding factor at all. It just makes things a little bit easier to fuk.

Depends, it was a deciding factor with the girl I dated off Tinder. Wasn't with my actual ex girlfriend - just a bonus like you said, she wasn't as obsessed with looks (good sign).

holy **** a physique mattering/not mattering to women thread gets made everyday wtf

The physique doesn't mean nothing it means something at least. I see a lot of skinny fat, dad bods, chubby fukers with probably the hottest girls in town. I come from a small town so these guys aren't rich. But a guy with a good body and a hot girl is not the norm here. Usually the girls are better looking and fitter than the guys. And the good looking guys have average to below average looking girls with average bods.

If you have a aesthetic body it can be sooooo intimidating to woman. They can't even look you in the eyes they look down. When they are with their non aesthetic boyfriends you can see them steal a stare or a glance. Some literally just stare at you in awe. Its quite funny and flattering.

But you don't need a aesthetic body to get girls it definitely is a bonus and it makes other guys jelly. I find girls are harder to get with a nicer body they either just play as not interested or insecure and that kinda messes with your head. The bigger girls won't give a shyt they will let you know right off the bat.

Think of it this way. Who would you approach? A hot girl with big tits and a fat ass smoking hot body or an decent face average to below average body? Most guys would go for the decent face because its less intimidating than going up to the PAWG (Phat ass white gurl) i think that holds true with aesthetic guys.

can confirm I'm a legit 10/10 yet I only approach average girls, because others intimidate me too much SEMI SRS

If your theory is true that means aesthetic men don't get hot and insecure girls, BUT hot and confident girls, which would be even better, right?

Unless there are no hot and confident girls...

I was with this chick once that would ask me every so often why i was with her if I could do so much better looks-wise. Mind you in my mind and even friends, she was a HBB. Very cringey though

The problem is that the hot and confident girls often times put their poosy on a pedestal. Hot, not so confident girls dont.

can confirm I'm a legit 10/10 yet I only approach average girls, because others intimidate me too much SEMI SRS

If your theory is true that means aesthetic men don't get hot and insecure girls, BUT hot and confident girls, which would be even better, right?

Unless there are no hot and confident girls...

I was with this chick once that would ask me every so often why i was with her if I could do so much better looks-wise. Mind you in my mind and even friends, she was a HBB. Very cringey though

The problem is that the hot and confident girls often times put their poosy on a pedestal. Hot, not so confident girls dont.

lmao when girls make me too many compliments I always get suspicious like "wait, could she be ugly and I just don't see it!? Has she never been with attractive guys before?? what's wrong with her"

I've never been with a girl I considered "really hot" before AND after sex. I slept with a lot of girls, but none that I thought "she's all around ****in hot", so I can't say anything about hot (non-)confident girls :P

I'm the same way! Been with a lot of average to below average girls. I will see a super hot chick at the bar and i don't give her any attention and i just pussie out and don't approach. but most hot girls have bitch faces too so that detours you a bit from approaching. but most hot girls are taken and usually 9/10 by someone with average facial looks.

So if you have the whole package good looks, hot bod. you are intimidating and detouring many girls from approaching you. If you aren't confident then you won't approach the hot girls thus never getting a hot girl... its a vicious circle...

Women do find muscles sexy! But primarily it's a mans natural body they find sexy when muscled. If a man has supreme genes and has muscle fullness, diced abs and good structure without even lifting then it sends a primal signal to women. These are the real world alpha males with the cheekbones, drawn out faces and wide round shoulders that get that way just from being born and they inspire men everywhere they go to get that look.

However, women don't like the pumped look. Years of doing unnecessary fake world work like benching and curling gives a man potentially a fake looking swollen look. To us men it looks awesome but to women it looks unnatural and ruins his natural flow.

An example of this unnatural look would be comparing Christian bale in American psycho to Christian bale in barman begins. In American psycho his body is tight, drawn out and naturalesque , meanwhile in batman begins he gained alot of muscle size, his pecs inflated , his alarms inflated and he generally loses that tight natural flow as the swelling effect of volume lifting distorts him.

Yes, if you do 70 sets a week for biceps you will eventually have that swollen look. It's an inflammation really. Weightlifting is really inflammation and if you don't have great genes then that inflammation quickly fades away a few months after you stop lifting. So, what I'm saying is don't think that spending years obsessively inflating your body is going to make you look better to women. You must respect your natural flow, your natural structure and keep it tight and animalistic looking if you want to be sexy to women. An example of a natural body that's tight and animalistic would be Tom Hanks in castaway where the body resembles looking fit due to environmental stress.

Basically, mastering the earths gravity turns women on. We are born crawling, it's our natural instinct to want to strive to master earths gravity. We grow up and our bone structure and muscle structure has mastered gravity. It's natural. We are sexy to women. Then we lift for a few years and gain 30 lbs of pure muscle and suddenly that mastery is gone. We are off trying to master the gyms gravity. We totally lost sight of earths gravitational pull. An example of mastering earths gravity would be being a great dancer. Do women like guys that can dance? You bet! If you want to physically express your sex appeal to women then think more in terms of mastering the natural gravitational pull of the planet. Why do you think the idea of Tarzan makes women wet their pants? Because he's feral and he the undisputed champion of gravity. Be the champion of gravity and women will wet themselves.

All the guys saying physiques don't matter are either overweight or skinny as a toothpick.

Your arguments are not even valid because you're taking two extremes, no women don't find steroid freaks attractive but they do find a natural looking athletic guy attractive like a physique model.

In all you "pro women prefer men that don't workout" you're comparing the two extremes below. Of course about 99% of men are going to choose the skinny girl over the bodybuilding girl.



But 99% of men will chose the below any day over both of them.

You should approach, you'll get a lot more numbers that way. Confidence is very important and that's why you see a lot of average guys with super attractive girlfriends/wives. They're the only ones to actually ask them out. What's the worse they could say, no?

Negged. Tired of you *******s making the same threads literally every day. I guarantee I've gotten laid more than 98% of you ITT (though that's not saying much since its the misc) and I attribute that to my physique more so than my face.

Stop sprouting BS if your physique is mediocre.

This is equivalent of me saying to girls; guys don't care what you look like, as long as you are clean and can socialize you're good.


Now does this sound true to you?



You should approach, you'll get a lot more numbers that way. Confidence is very important and that's why you see a lot of average guys with super attractive girlfriends/wives. They're the only ones to actually ask them out. What's the worse they could say, no?

This is equivalent of me saying to girls; guys don't care what you look like, as long as you are clean and can socialize you're good.

Confidence is very important and that's why you see a lot of average guys with super attractive girlfriends/wives.

Went to the club last night first time wearing a v-neck and holy fuacck bitches be mirin and touching me more than if i had wore a dress shirt. this feel.
try it out boyos.
brb will only wear v-necks/tees to clubs now.
most can confirm this.

dude has a great physique and then he does those awkward bodybuilding poses. wow lmao. ofc they mirin, he looks good face+body, but those poses look so autistic