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post 1455953493 08-03-2016, 02:59 PM
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Staring To Think Allianc3, Jeff Seid etc. Could Be Natty (Pics)

The variance between humans is pretty large.

Just look around your gym at all the guys who have been there 3 years plus count macros etc and still they don't look like they even lift.

Nobody would suspect the most dedicated guys in my gym who spill out advice regarding lifting, actually lift.

Then there are some guys who walk in day one at 16, 17, 21 or 25 with great muscle tone, 8-10% bodyfat from eating what they want. Look like they lift eat properly etc and more often than not, they don't.

Look at this miscer whose been lifting a year:






Now look at these random 16 year olds who probably lack structured training and diet:





I knew several of the latter growing up who just looked like that from playing rugby or did athletics in high school. They were naturally strong and had muscle tone from early childhood.

If they lifted had proper diets they would have a far higher natural limit than the miscer in the example (no hate).

You can't attach some arbitrary limit (Oh you can only gain X amount of muscle, ffmi, can't be this lean year round etc) on the guys who already start off way ahead of the pack.

Jeff Seid looked just like the kids I knew who dominated sports at early ages and he chose to lift and eat properly and he got a great result.

Not saying he is natty but I think he could have got to his physique when he was 190 ripped at 18-19 before he blew up natty.

To paraphrase Rich Piana:

"I see black guys in the ghetto digging in trash bins for food who look better that 90% of gym goers."
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I met some fuarking freaks in HS wrestling, srs

Guys that were like 17, shredded, and could bench over 300lbs at 160-170lbs

Dudes that didn't even take protein, much less anabolics lol

Some people are legit blessed with genetics of the gawds
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Originally Posted By ArmsOfHope⏩
"I see black guys in the ghetto digging in trash bins for food who look better that 90% of gym goers."
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post 1455953973 08-03-2016, 03:03 PM
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The difference is when around puberty age you have a lot more test running through your body than let's say early 20s which most miscers are
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because there's a massive difference between being 6ft 160lbs 8% shredded like some athletic teens and then 6ft 200lbs 8% BF shredded
I appreciate well thought out subtle trolling.
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yeah, but the thing is, they aren't
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genetics. I've seen guys in the gym in their prime (15-20 yrs old) never make a lick of progress, and other dudes blow the fuk up. All I know is that if I got to 5'11 240 and relatively lean for natty without that great of genetics, what kind of monsters are out there?
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I can smell a lot of bullchit in this phucking thread.

1stly I smell pussies making up excuses why they look chit.

Second I smell pussies that think you can be jacked shredded and vascular quicker than most dudes go inbetween haircuts.

If they look good and have decent size and are shredded and vaski in less than a year, there on gear.


Most guys will take at least 2 years to look good even with athletic backgrounds.
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You're just a phucking moron OP.
Hope you get red from this chit post.
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Originally Posted By jacobcmurphy⏩
I met some fuarking freaks in HS wrestling, srs

Guys that were like 17, shredded, and could bench over 300lbs at 160-170lbs

Dudes that didn't even take protein, much less anabolics lol

Some people are legit blessed with genetics of the gawds
people in high school can get access to roids just like they can get access to all the other drugs.
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Originally Posted By thejizzer⏩
people in high school can get access to roids just like they can get access to all the other drugs.
Trust me I know brah, but these were kids on my team that I was close with

I knew guys that were on dat dere also
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Originally Posted By jacobcmurphy⏩
Trust me I know brah, but these were kids on my team that I was close with

I knew guys that were on dat dere also
did you inspect their butt cheeks?
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Originally Posted By thejizzer⏩
did you inspect their butt cheeks?
Yes, but that didn't have anything to do with gear

Does someones word mean nothing these days? These weren't IG models with deals, these were some of my closest friends.

You don't have to believe me, but my good friend Brandon was a freak of nature. Had been playing sports since a very young age, had older brothers that pushed the chit out of him. Placed in state 3/4 years that he wrestled, etc.

Dude could still bench about 300lbs after cutting from 170 to 145 for wrestling season, was fuarking shredded, and whooped my ass on the mat daily.
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Originally Posted By thejizzer⏩
people in high school can get access to roids just like they can get access to all the other drugs.
best friend bench pressed 440 in high school natty. big dude but did it natty nonetheless with less than 3.5 years of lifting.

I squatted 525 atg my junior year of hs natty

that being said, our mike linebacker benched 370 @ 200, def wasn't natty
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post 1455956763 08-03-2016, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted By TheFuarkingBoss⏩
I can smell a lot of bullchit in this phucking thread.

1stly I smell pussies making up excuses why they look chit.

Second I smell pussies that think you can be jacked shredded and vascular quicker than most dudes go inbetween haircuts.

If they look good and have decent size and are shredded and vaski in less than a year, there on gear.


Most guys will take at least 2 years to look good even with athletic backgrounds.
Nobody is making excuses.

I agree if someone like the miscer in the example goes from where he is to size + vaski and shredded in a short term 5 years> I would say gear.

But one of my best friends is 5 7" 145lb and legit 8-9% bodyfat from playing soccer once a week and eating 2000 calories around 75g protein (ya he uses myfitnesspal but doesn't lift lol)

He has thick veins like ropes in his forearms and sometimes shoulders and chest when its hot. If he lifted 2 years and upped his calories I'm sure he could gain 30 lb in 2 years with very little fat.

175 at 8% at 5 7" is a pretty big guy.

He didn't chose his genetics nor does he choose to take advantage of them. He literally eats a box of pringles and a coke for lunch.
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Pretty good tier genetics checking in.

I'm no where near big though :'[
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Originally Posted By Carbon7197⏩
Pretty good tier genetics checking in.

I'm no where near big though :'[
Can confirm from GOAT insertions/bone structure in your pics
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Damn getting negged by no avi 2/10 genetic miscers
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Originally Posted By Carbon7197⏩
Pretty good tier genetics checking in.

I'm no where near big though :'[
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It being achievable naturally and actually being natural are two very different things.

Jeff Seid is an IFBB pro. That says everything.
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Originally Posted By TheFuarkingBoss⏩
I can smell a lot of bullchit in this phucking thread.

1stly I smell pussies making up excuses why they look chit.

Second I smell pussies that think you can be jacked shredded and vascular quicker than most dudes go inbetween haircuts.

If they look good and have decent size and are shredded and vaski in less than a year, there on gear.


Most guys will take at least 2 years to look good even with athletic backgrounds.
Wow your clueless and probably low-T.

When I was 19 weighed about 170-175.lbs, started lifting in my back yard doing Squats, OHP, deads and was playing basketball two/three times per week. Did this for roughly 6-months and gained a good 20-25.lbs of muscle and very little fat. I was jacked @200-205.lbs; 10-12%bf, at that age I was eating everything in sight, drinking a gallon of whole milk per day. I clearly remember having a raging metabolism at that age.

So yes, it's possible for some to gain ridiculous amounts of muscle in a short time, with the right circumstance and obviously without drugs.
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Originally Posted By ineedadrink⏩
It being achievable naturally and actually being natural are two very different things.

Jeff Seid is an IFBB pro. That says everything.
Jeff has been on dat dere since he was like 16, but he also has world class genetics

He really has done the most with his potential, now only if he was more likeable

Jeff probably woulda been in better shape than 9/10 natties if he had chosen to remain natty and would constantly of been called a fake
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Originally Posted By jacobcmurphy⏩
Does someones word mean nothing these days?
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no reason why you can't be 200 lean as natty if you're over 5'9
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Jeff has pretty much admitted to being on dat dere



If you can't detect the sarcasm from that post you might be socially retarded, srs

That being said, I agree with you OP that genetics play a big role, and I think sometimes those that are genetically gifted don't even realize it and think they must be successful solely due to outworking others. This goes for anything beyond lifting as well. One of the guys at my school gym (he's 20 as well) got into powerlifting about 18 months ago and recently put up a 1500 total, pretty sure he's natty but his strength before he even started working out was ridiculous. He was squatting three plates for reps within a few weeks at the gym.
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Originally Posted By Mulloway69⏩
Lol brah I have 0 incentive to lie, unless I'm just a chronic liar. I'm not even talking about myself.

I'm positive I would've gotten word if he was taking something. No bullchit, I don't have anything against those who use at all.
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Lol @ OP posting a known roid-user with ectomorph genes, more proof that all impressive physiques are on gear

before:



after:



If he quit the gear he'd be lanklet again within a few months.
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Originally Posted By Gewicht⏩
Jeff has pretty much admitted to being on dat dere



If you can't detect the sarcasm from that post you might be socially retarded, srs

That being said, I agree with you OP that genetics play a big role, and I think sometimes those are genetically gifted don't even realize it and think they must be successful solely due to outworking others. This goes for anything beyond lifting as well.
lmao goat troll
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Originally Posted By Gewicht⏩
Jeff has pretty much admitted to being on dat dere



If you can't detect the sarcasm from that post you might be socially retarded, srs

That being said, I agree with you OP that genetics play a big role, and I think sometimes those are genetically gifted don't even realize it and think they must be successful solely due to outworking others. This goes for anything beyond lifting as well.
Lmao, strong sarcasm. I actually like Seid a tad bit now.
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