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post 1459338773 08-25-2016, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted By WillBrink
Nothing you "reviewed" alters anything I have said. The polls, etc are very clear, and the approval ratings of both candidates within theirownparty the lowest ever found since they started polling it. If given a viable choice, both GOP, independents, high % of undecided, and enough Dems would vote for that candidate. POTUS was handed to the GOP here and screwed it up yet again. Obama was re elected with some of the lowest approval ratings ever and yet, they gave us Romney. Last time and this time, it's the GOPs to lose, but they are incapable of putting forth a candidate that does not suck out loud. The only positive to Trump is this may be the final change the GOP needs and clearing of the small group of right wing religious neocon types who have had a death grip on it since Reagan.

People will not like to hear it, but Trump can't beat HC. If Trump dropped out (never gonna happen I know), GJ would win by landslide.
Unless you go by the erratic polling done by phone, Johnson has waxed and waned between 8.3-8.9%. It's almost September, voters had enough time to review the candidates and Johnson's support has held steady since June, he has no prayer. It's the Democrats election to lose they are offering the historic candidate. Did you forget the context of the review or are you trying to avoid it? Besides Hillary has been leading Trump for most of the race even when polled during the primary. Let's use a track analogy. If a runner is leading a race then by your logic, it's the second place runner's race to lose and that doesn't make sense. Maybe you're foretelling Trump with a strong finish.
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http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showth...hp?t=172272303

A little thread about if Gary Johnson should debate...=)
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
I don't know why you would be more afraid of Hillary than Obama. As a politician, she's basically just an extension of Obama's governance. On a personal level, she's much more corrupt and less honest, so therefore less deserving of the office, but unless you've had some kind of direct contact with her that she needs to make go away, I don't think you need to fear her.
Obama ran a much more moderate campaign as an inexperienced community organizer. I know, hope and change, but there were fewer standout horror show policies.

Hillary is running on a platform of gun control and free **** for everyone (with extra free **** thanks to the Bernouts), while demonizing men, triggering SJW's, and propping up the mothers of deceased criminals as heroes. Not to mention, I'm pretty confident that she's actually had people killed for political gain. Shes far and away the most openly distrustworthy and corrupt politician I've ever seen. She's the devil.
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Originally Posted By Mckay23
Unless you go by the erratic polling done by phone,Johnson has waxed and waned between 8.3-8.9%. It's almost September, voters had enough time to review the candidates and Johnson's support has held steady since June, he has no prayer.It's the Democrats election to lose they are offering the historic candidate. Did you forget the context of the review or are you trying to avoid it? Besides Hillary has been leading Trump for most of the race even when polled during the primary. Let's use a track analogy. If a runner is leading a race then by your logic, it's the second place runner's race to lose and that doesn't make sense. Maybe you're foretelling Trump with a strong finish.
If he does not get into the debates, it's game over. If he can get into the debates, and appears the only adult in the room and a viable candidate to voters, than it's a new game. It's as simple as that.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink
If he does not get into the debates, it's game over. If he can get into the debates, and appears the only adult in the room and a viable candidate to voters, than it's a new game. It's as simple as that.
Pretty much this.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink
If he can get into the debates, and appears the only adult in the room and a viable candidate to voters, than it's a new game. It's as simple as that.
That's your opinion. Yet based on on the failed logic that you're avoiding, I wouldn't bet on it.
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Originally Posted By Mckay23
That's your opinion. Yet based on on the failed logic that you're avoiding, I wouldn't bet on it.
My failed logic...Ok sport, what ever you say.
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wouldnt vote for him but i agree that he and stein should be allowed to participate in the televised debates. This way, the general populace can make a more informed selection come november
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
I don't know why you would be more afraid of Hillary than Obama. As a politician, she's basically just an extension of Obama's governance. On a personal level, she's much more corrupt and less honest, so therefore less deserving of the office, but unless you've had some kind of direct contact with her that she needs to make go away, I don't think you need to fear her.
She will actively attempt to get us into more wars. Obama did everything he could to avoid using troops. Although he did things like the surge in Afghanistan which sucks, I don't see how you can look at Hillary and not say she will lead the US into more foreign affairs with troops on the grounds. People are fooling themselves if they think she isn't itching to deploy troops.
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Originally Posted By kenonator
She will actively attempt to get us into more wars. Obama did everything he could to avoid using troops. Although he did things like the surge in Afghanistan which sucks, I don't see how you can look at Hillary and not say she will lead the US into more foreign affairs with troops on the grounds. People are fooling themselves if they think she isn't itching to deploy troops.
I'm not sure how Trump would be any different or an improvement in that respect and has made various threats about who he'd "bomb the sh^%" out of. Only one who is truly non interventionist about getting us into foreign entanglement is GJ/Libertarian party. Obviously, some don't like that approach and feel we need to remain the world police. We can't go pre WWII isolationists either obviously.
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Think I'm gonna for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. My thing is, miscers have been calling Gary a fake Libertarian + he's for open borders. What does that mean?

What do I register as to vote for either?

I don't know sht about politics, so all im gonna do is read up their policies and speeches, making my best decision from their.
Originally Posted By Chelbull
wouldnt vote for him but i agree that he and stein should be allowed to participate in the televised debates. This way, the general populace can make a more informed selection come november
Trump is a joke. He's a decoy to get Hillary and easy win. Won't say I told you so
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Fuk that cuck Gary Johnson and his retarded VP

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Originally Posted By AndYUKnowThis
Think I'm gonna for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. My thing is, miscers have been calling Gary a fake Libertarian + he's for open borders. What does that mean?
It means they don't really understand GJ policies and are repeating what others have said without real research. But, compared to say building giant walls and such, GJ is about borders that allow people to go back and forth for work and such while focusing on keeping criminals out. Some think of that as "open borders" but it's not as simple as that. Forget Stein. She's a waste of air. See OP on GJ being a "real" Libertarian. He's not. I don't give a chit personally.
Originally Posted By AndYUKnowThis
What do I register as to vote for either?

I don't know sht about politics, so all im gonna do is read up their policies and speeches, making my best decision from their.

Trump is a joke. He's a decoy to get Hillary and easy win. Won't say I told you so
Google fu up how to register to vote in your state.
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Originally Posted By RThoe
Fuk that cuck Gary Johnson and his retarded VP
Weld is a classic FUDD. He was Gov of my state and did a good job and was popular, but in some respects, goofy to be sure. But, GJ is a very pro 2A and stated he has no plans to add any new restrictions, etc. I'd rather have a FUDD VP than a POTUS who was for the AWB, waiting periods, etc who is now a born again pro 2A guy (among his many 180 flip flops) to grab votes any day. Your mileage may differ.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink
It means they don't really understand GJ policies and are repeating what others have said without real research. But, compared to say building giant walls and such, GJ is about borders that allow people to go back and forth for work and such while focusing on keeping criminals out. Some think of that as "open borders" but it's not as simple as that. Forget Stein. She's a waste of air. See OP on GJ being a "real" Libertarian. He's not. I don't give a chit personally.



Google fu up how to register to vote in your state.
Are there really that many people looking to commute to Mexico for their daily job??
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Originally Posted By F1exAppeal
Are there really that many people looking to commute to Mexico for their daily job??
More than you may think, but the issue is about people going the other direction who will come one way or another. As GJ says "build a 10ft wall and they will use an 11ft latter."

Our border policies are crap, and in serious need to revamp to be sure, but being ignored by Trumpers who are so easily manipulated that illegal immigration has been declining:

http://time.com/4167626/donald-trump...s-immigration/

Don't forget, GJ was a popular two time GOP of aborder stateand has more actual experience with that issue than Trump and Hillthing combined.
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Economists think GJ would be superior to Trump on who would do a better job of managing the American economy but I have to wonder what they are smoking to consider HC superior at anything:

In shock poll, Libertarian Johnson beats Trump among economists

First, the numbers. In a new poll from the National Association of Business Economics (NABE), asking which presidential candidate would do the best job managing the American economy, 55 percent choose Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, 15 percent chose Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and 14 percent chose Republican nominee Donald Trump.

The results are interesting for several reasons. The National Association of Business Economics has a strongly pro-business viewpoint. It is not a bastion of liberal or populist economists. It is a mild surprise that Clinton would be so comparatively popular with this group, but it is a shocker that libertarian Gary Johnson would be seen by more of these economists as a better manager of the national economy than Trump.

Why does Johnson outperform Trump among these economists?

Cont:

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...ts-trump-among
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So Johnson keeps Hillary from getting 270. Vote goes to the House and Trump is POTUS. Sweet!
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Originally Posted By Streetbull
So Johnson keeps Hillary from getting 270. Vote goes to the House and Trump is POTUS. Sweet!
If you think the House will vote for Trump over a two time GOP governor with a two time GOP VP, you're smokin' crack, but if that's what happens, so be it. I would consider that a legit win for Trump if that was the result. Polls are clear GJ is negative for HC, and helps Trump. In your scenario, he's the ace in the whole for Trump.
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As long as one state GJ gets nowhere near the Whitehouse. This is like GOpers who thought Kaisich should be the nominee after winning only his home state or Cruzbots thinking he's the best choice because, well just because
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Originally Posted By scheal
As long as one state GJ gets nowhere near the Whitehouse. This is like GOpers who thought Kaisich should be the nominee after winning only his home state or Cruzbots thinking he's the best choice because, well just because
That would be just because he's not Trump which is also why HC will likely win. Couldn't have been an easier Dem candidate to beat and the GOP, yet again, found a way to fu%$ it up.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink
My failed logic...Ok sport, what ever you say.
Yes, your failed logic: believing that if any other repub candidate beyond Trump faced Hillary, she would be the 'easiest Dem candidate to beat in decades' despite the fact that she's a historic candidate and you insist whoever is trailing the leader, decides the race. Silly. You clearly avoided giving further explanation and deflected with your standby--if Johnson gets into the debate.......
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Originally Posted By WillBrink
That would be just because he's not Trump which is also why HC will likely win. Couldn't have been an easier Dem candidate to beat and the GOP, yet again, found a way to fu%$ it up.
Trump had more votes in the primary than any other candidate in history.
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Originally Posted By Chelbull
wouldnt vote for him but i agree that he and stein should be allowed to participate in the televised debates. This way, the general populace can make a more informed selection come november
I wouldn't mind seeing both Stein and Johnson in the debate but not just Johnson. If they were to get into the the debate, they should get a limited amount of time based on where they are polling. The focus needs to be on Donald vs Hillary unless Johnson or Stein gets a large bump in the polls.
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Originally Posted By Mckay23
I wouldn't mind seeing both Stein and Johnson in the debate but not just Johnson. If they were to get into the the debate, they should get a limited amount of time based on where they are polling. The focus needs to be on Donald vs Hillary unless Johnson or Stein gets a large bump in the polls.
This is fcuking retarded.

The debate should be equal time. That way the people can hear an equal amount of information to make an informed decision at the poll.
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johnson is an open borders hillary shill transexual and anyone that supports him is a fkin retard (srs) and un-American

fk that guy

trump is going to beat the shyt out of him
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Originally Posted By clutchinspector
johnson is an open borders hillary shill transexual and anyone that supports him is a fkin retard (srs) and un-American

fk that guy

trump is going to beat the shyt out of him
In a fight, GJ would crush DT.

Remember, Donald Trump has bad health, which disqualified him from war.

LOL!
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Originally Posted By JimFromRaleigh1
In a fight, GJ would crush DT.

Remember, Donald Trump has bad health, which disqualified him from war.

LOL!
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Originally Posted By JimFromRaleigh1
This is fcuking retarded.

The debate should be equal time. That way the people can hear an equal amount of information to make an informed decision at the poll.
Why should statistically irrelevant candidates get equal time as relevant candidates (specifically one that has received more primary votes than any candidate in history)?

I'm not a fan of the two party system, but I'm also not gonna support cuck Johnson getting equal time when he doesn't even have a fraction of the support as Hillary or Trump. If Johnson and Stein want to debate each other, fine. Let them. But they don't deserve to be on the same stage, in my opinion.
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