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Originally Posted By DizzySmalls⏩
Because I am too lazy to typeWhat is Gary Johnson's position on the drug war outside of cannabis in particular?
Has he expressed any opinions about the scope of freedom of speech? Internet regulation?
Where is he on citizenship/voting rights to currently "undocumented" members of the US population?
Has he expressed any opinions about the scope of freedom of speech? Internet regulation?
Where is he on citizenship/voting rights to currently "undocumented" members of the US population?
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So sick of hearing about cannabis. That's barely even a drug, and is obviously ready to have any federal prohibition uplifted.
I want to hear about these treasonous scumbag ****ers at the DEA pretending to be fighting the opiate crisis while making the entire environment worse/more dangerous. I'm not wasting a vote for a third party unless somebody admits the truth about drugs in this country that everybody knows... that the government is profiting far too much off of prohibition and street drugs.
As it is now, DEA agents can have cartel funded sex and drug parties and get paid suspension for a few weeks after getting caught, and get no media attention. I hope they all get painful, terminal cancer.
I want to hear about these treasonous scumbag ****ers at the DEA pretending to be fighting the opiate crisis while making the entire environment worse/more dangerous. I'm not wasting a vote for a third party unless somebody admits the truth about drugs in this country that everybody knows... that the government is profiting far too much off of prohibition and street drugs.
As it is now, DEA agents can have cartel funded sex and drug parties and get paid suspension for a few weeks after getting caught, and get no media attention. I hope they all get painful, terminal cancer.
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Originally Posted By DizzySmalls⏩
Elephant in the room.So sick of hearing about cannabis. That's barely even a drug, and is obviously ready to have any federal prohibition uplifted.
I want to hear about these treasonous scumbag ****ers at the DEA pretending to be fighting the opiate crisis while making the entire environment worse/more dangerous. I'm not wasting a vote for a third party unless somebody admits the truth about drugs in this country that everybody knows... that the government is profiting far too much off of prohibition and street drugs.
As it is now, DEA agents can have cartel funded sex and drug parties and get paid suspension for a few weeks after getting caught, and get no media attention. I hope they all get painful, terminal cancer.
I want to hear about these treasonous scumbag ****ers at the DEA pretending to be fighting the opiate crisis while making the entire environment worse/more dangerous. I'm not wasting a vote for a third party unless somebody admits the truth about drugs in this country that everybody knows... that the government is profiting far too much off of prohibition and street drugs.
As it is now, DEA agents can have cartel funded sex and drug parties and get paid suspension for a few weeks after getting caught, and get no media attention. I hope they all get painful, terminal cancer.
No candidate is going to bring up any hardcore drugs because the general population is not intelligent and would rather hear that the "good guys" are fighting this war on drugs.
In actuality, if we legalized all drugs, crime would go down, cartel profits would go down severely, and violence would be down. People do not want to here this though.
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Originally Posted By DizzySmalls⏩
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htmWhat is Gary Johnson's position on the drug war outside of cannabis in particular?
Has he expressed any opinions about the scope of freedom of speech? Internet regulation?
Where is he on citizenship/voting rights to currently "undocumented" members of the US population?
Has he expressed any opinions about the scope of freedom of speech? Internet regulation?
Where is he on citizenship/voting rights to currently "undocumented" members of the US population?
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Originally Posted By JimFromRaleigh1⏩
Yep, legalize it, tax it, and divert the DEA budget to education and treatment of addiction. The biggest problem with drug addiction right now are pill junkies who started with legal prescriptions to opiates or ritalin and moved on to heroin or meth when the prescriptions run out. How can we win the "war on drugs" when the biggest "enemy" is legal?Elephant in the room.
No candidate is going to bring up any hardcore drugs because the general population is not intelligent and would rather here that the "good guys" are fighting this war on drugs.
In actuality, if we legalized all drugs, crime would go down, cartel profits would go down severely, and violence would be down. People do not want to here this though.
No candidate is going to bring up any hardcore drugs because the general population is not intelligent and would rather here that the "good guys" are fighting this war on drugs.
In actuality, if we legalized all drugs, crime would go down, cartel profits would go down severely, and violence would be down. People do not want to here this though.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie⏩
The war on drugs keeps a lot of people in biz and justifying budgets for Fed agencies that don't need to exist, so there's no political will at all for truly ending it. They have fought all the way the legalization of pot which has truly been a "grass" roots fight to do it.Yep, legalize it, tax it, and divert the DEA budget to education and treatment of addiction. The biggest problem with drug addiction right now are pill junkies who started with legal prescriptions to opiates or ritalin and moved on to heroin or meth when the prescriptions run out. How can we win the "war on drugs" when the biggest "enemy" is legal?
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Johnson voter here.
I disagree with him about two major things:
-TPP
-Border control
That being said, I'm sick of people saying they're automatically not voting for him because of things like borders when there's about 90 things I disagree with Trump and Clinton about. Well, Clinton will tell you whatever you want to hear and Trump will backpedal like a motherfcker who knows what they actually stand for.
Also, Johnson debated on stage with the republicans in 2008 I believe. He did not do very well, think he gets nervous on stage and he has sort of a quiver to his voice when speaking so people might not like that. Maybe he should take an anti-anxiety pill before debating.
I disagree with him about two major things:
-TPP
-Border control
That being said, I'm sick of people saying they're automatically not voting for him because of things like borders when there's about 90 things I disagree with Trump and Clinton about. Well, Clinton will tell you whatever you want to hear and Trump will backpedal like a motherfcker who knows what they actually stand for.
Also, Johnson debated on stage with the republicans in 2008 I believe. He did not do very well, think he gets nervous on stage and he has sort of a quiver to his voice when speaking so people might not like that. Maybe he should take an anti-anxiety pill before debating.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
Good point. I disagree with GJ on borders and his support of BLM, although he is not a blatant BLM supporter, he is more of a sympathizer.Johnson voter here.
I disagree with him about two major things:
-TPP
-Border control
That being said, I'm sick of people saying they're automatically not voting for him because of things like borders when there's about 90 things I disagree with Trump and Clinton about. Well, Clinton will tell you whatever you want to hear and Trump will backpedal like a motherfcker who knows what they actually stand for.
Also, Johnson debated on stage with the republicans in 2008 I believe. He did not do very well, think he gets nervous on stage and he has sort of a quiver to his voice when speaking so people might not like that. Maybe he should take an anti-anxiety pill before debating.
I disagree with him about two major things:
-TPP
-Border control
That being said, I'm sick of people saying they're automatically not voting for him because of things like borders when there's about 90 things I disagree with Trump and Clinton about. Well, Clinton will tell you whatever you want to hear and Trump will backpedal like a motherfcker who knows what they actually stand for.
Also, Johnson debated on stage with the republicans in 2008 I believe. He did not do very well, think he gets nervous on stage and he has sort of a quiver to his voice when speaking so people might not like that. Maybe he should take an anti-anxiety pill before debating.
He is not a great public speaker which will turn people off. He does have substance, but his form sucks.
That being said, all he has to do this election is let Trump/Hillary shoot themselves in the foot.
This is the realistic goal: Get into the debates, and then get 5+% in the general. If he can do those two, it will be a successful campaign.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
I really don't know enough about the TPP to have a strong opinion about and his border policies are far more nuanced than most realize. He was a popular gov of a border state and obviously has real experience with the border vs sound byte BS Trump and HC give us, so I'm willing to give his border approaches the benefit of the doubt. He's not a good public debater and that will not help if he makes the debates against a shark and a snake. Should probably do a bong hit before he goes on, but he's promised to not smoke at all during the campaign or as POTUS. What he should do is let those two fight it out and look like the maniacs they are, look poised, and add in well thought out key points/comments, and that's it. Look like the only adult in the room and don't let the idiots drag him into their sound bite BS tactics.Johnson voter here.
I disagree with him about two major things:
-TPP
-Border control
That being said, I'm sick of people saying they're automatically not voting for him because of things like borders when there's about 90 things I disagree with Trump and Clinton about. Well, Clinton will tell you whatever you want to hear and Trump will backpedal like a motherfcker who knows what they actually stand for.
Also, Johnson debated on stage with the republicans in 2008 I believe. He did not do very well, think he gets nervous on stage and he has sort of a quiver to his voice when speaking so people might not like that. Maybe he should take an anti-anxiety pill before debating.
I disagree with him about two major things:
-TPP
-Border control
That being said, I'm sick of people saying they're automatically not voting for him because of things like borders when there's about 90 things I disagree with Trump and Clinton about. Well, Clinton will tell you whatever you want to hear and Trump will backpedal like a motherfcker who knows what they actually stand for.
Also, Johnson debated on stage with the republicans in 2008 I believe. He did not do very well, think he gets nervous on stage and he has sort of a quiver to his voice when speaking so people might not like that. Maybe he should take an anti-anxiety pill before debating.
Originally Posted By JimFromRaleigh1⏩
It's very important to note no place has he supported BLM. That again was BS pulled from his interview in CNN and he was obviously pandering to the BLM voters and did a good job of deflecting from the topic. Claiming he's a BLM supporter (not that you did) is like claiming Trump supports violence against HC from his comments on "Second Amendment people"Good point. I disagree with GJ on borders and his support of BLM,although he is not a blatant BLM supporter, he is more of a sympathizer.
He is not a great public speaker which will turn people off. He does have substance, but his form sucks.
That being said, all he has to do this election is let Trump/Hillary shoot themselves in the foot.
This is the realistic goal: Get into the debates, and then get 5+% in the general. If he can do those two, it will be a successful campaign.
He is not a great public speaker which will turn people off. He does have substance, but his form sucks.
That being said, all he has to do this election is let Trump/Hillary shoot themselves in the foot.
This is the realistic goal: Get into the debates, and then get 5+% in the general. If he can do those two, it will be a successful campaign.
Trump said no such thing, and GJ is not a BLM supporter.
Two, if all he gets is 5% of the general after being in the debates, I'd consider that a flat out fail. Perot got far more in the general and zero electoral and it was a fail. GJ must get enough electoral votes for it to be any sort of win for his campaign, even if it sets up third party for next cycle. If he can't do far better than 5% against those two horrible candidates after being in the big show debates, he has no biz being there.
In terms of making third party being truly viable for the next election cycle, he needs to at least win the electoral votes of his own state, and pull 10% + of the general is my guess.
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Originally Posted By JimFromRaleigh1⏩
Saved.Good point. I disagree with GJ on borders and his support of BLM, although he is not a blatant BLM supporter, he is more of a sympathizer.
He is not a great public speaker which will turn people off. He does have substance, but his form sucks.
That being said, all he has to do this election is let Trump/Hillary shoot themselves in the foot.
This is the realistic goal: Get into the debates, and then get 5+% in the general. If he can do those two, it will be a successful campaign.
He is not a great public speaker which will turn people off. He does have substance, but his form sucks.
That being said, all he has to do this election is let Trump/Hillary shoot themselves in the foot.
This is the realistic goal: Get into the debates, and then get 5+% in the general. If he can do those two, it will be a successful campaign.
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Gary Johnson does not own firearms and threw away a gun gifted to him, is a staunch supporter of Black Lives Matter and probably the Black Panthers and La Raza also, and is an open borders 'open the doors and let em all in' Globalist cuck.
Gary Johnson endorses #BlackLivesMatter
http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/08/...cklivesmatter/
Gary Johnson And William Weld Are Fake Libertarians Miseducating The Public
http://www.redstate.com/diary/southe...ng-the-public/
Libertarian Candidate Gary Johnson Throws Gift Gun in Garbage
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/06/libe...un-in-garbage/
Bad News for Gun Owning Libertarians: Johnson’s VP Choice is Pro-Gun Control
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...o-gun-control/
Gary Johnson on Immigration
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary...mmigration.htm
Open the border; flood of Mexicans would become taxpayers
Q: What is your view of the immigration issue?
A: Hispanics who immigrate care about their families like other Americans care about their families. They're living in poverty in Mexico and can come to the US and do a lot better.
Q: By--according to some--taking away jobs.
A: They work the lowest-paying jobs. And they are taking jobs that other Americans don't necessarily want. They're hardworking people who are taking jobs that others don't want. That's the reality.
Q: Would you open the borders and make it easier to immigrate legally?
A: My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour.[color=red] Yes, we should have open borders.[color]
Q: Many Americans fear the flood of immigrants that would follow.
A: They would become taxpayers. They're just pursuing dreams---the same dreams we all have. They work hard. What's wrong with that?
Stop wasting time on that sorry Globalist POS trash of a candidate, OP.
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
So after i showed how full of chit you are in the other thread and corrected you, now you post it in my thread? I'll just cut and paste from other thread so people can see how intellectually dishonest you are:Gary Johnson does not own firearms and threw away a gun gifted to him, is a staunch supporter of Black Lives Matter and probably the Black Panthers and La Raza also, and is an open borders 'open the doors and let em all in' Globalist cuck.
Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
Pulled that from your butt did you? Source? How about:Gary Johnson refuses to own any firearms
"in the last six years I now own a couple of guns and it's for personal protection, the notion that, holy cow, what if there's a situation at my rural home in New Mexico and there is not a way to protect" himself, his property, or his loved ones.
http://reason.com/blog/2016/06/14/th...atsoever-to-su
Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
A dumb idea on his end, but he did it because he felt the guy who gave it to him was being an idiot not because he's anti gun. Derp.and had very limited to say on the 2nd amendment until the past few months. When presented with a pro-2A gift recently, he threw it in the trash and later apologized when caught.
Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
You mean the Trump who supported the AWB, extended waiting times etc before doing a 180 on that issue as well as every other issue and changed his political affiliation 5 times? ? OK, I'll trust that guy with my 2A Rights over GJ...Trump on the other hand not only owns them and has for decades, he also carries a concealed handgun everywhere he goes.
BTW, if you're against worthless "gun free zones" as GJ has always been, best not go to a Trump owned property...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donal...ry?id=39266544
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Lol at vets being for this cuck. Vast majority of vets (especially combat vets) are for Trump, myself included.
I think Johnson is anti-gun. We can't really say for certain one way or another, though him picking an extremely anti-gun (not to mention absolutely fukin retarded) VP would certainly tip the scale towards him being anti-gun.
Everything else is secondary to that for me as a voter. I admire the fact that he climbed the Seven Summits as that's a life time goal of mine, but his actions against the Second Amendment are enough to ensure I (and many gun owners) never vote for him.
(yes, Trump has a history of being anti-gun but 20 years is a long time, I still prefer someone that persistently supports the Second today than a cuck that subtly opposes it)
I think Johnson is anti-gun. We can't really say for certain one way or another, though him picking an extremely anti-gun (not to mention absolutely fukin retarded) VP would certainly tip the scale towards him being anti-gun.
Everything else is secondary to that for me as a voter. I admire the fact that he climbed the Seven Summits as that's a life time goal of mine, but his actions against the Second Amendment are enough to ensure I (and many gun owners) never vote for him.
(yes, Trump has a history of being anti-gun but 20 years is a long time, I still prefer someone that persistently supports the Second today than a cuck that subtly opposes it)
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I appreciate Gary's stances being anti-gun and open border. His free trade policy positions are good too.
I would vote for the guy if Hillary wasnt running. Really good talent this election cycle except for the elephant in the room.
I would vote for the guy if Hillary wasnt running. Really good talent this election cycle except for the elephant in the room.
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Originally Posted By RThoe⏩
Ye most active mil support him:Lol at vets being for this cuck. Vast majority of vets (especially combat vets) are for Trump, myself included.
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/28...ve-duty-troops
What do you know as retired mil they don't?
Originally Posted By RThoe⏩
So, he has decades of being pro 2A and had never done a flip flop on that issue, but you think he's anti gun? Yet, "yes, Trump has a history of being anti-gun but 20 years is a long time, I still prefer someone that persistently supports the Second today"I think Johnson is anti-gun.
So consistently pro 2A two time GOP governor vs a guy who supported AWB, extended waiting times, etc is the better choice. Um k...Maybe try an CCW on one of his properties? They are "gun free zones" per article above. If that does not bother you, then you're at cognitive dissonance level 11. On 2A issue, Trump will be 1000X better than HC even with his flip flops, but you really have to be delusional at this point to see him as superior to GJ on 2A/Gun Rights issues.
Originally Posted By RThoe⏩
One more time, VP is a classic FUDD. He and GJ are clear they don't agree on that issue. A pro 2A potus who has NEVER flip flopped on that issue with a FUDD VP is a better choice than POTUS who was for the AWB etc and now born again 2A guy any day all day. Trump has his changed his political affliation 5 times, so if that's the guy you wanna trust that's up to you, but you're smoking crack if you think at his core he's a bigger supporter of 2A/Gun Rights than GJ.We can't really say for certain one way or another, though him picking an extremely anti-gun (not to mention absolutely fukin retarded) VP would certainly tip the scale towards him being anti-gun.
Originally Posted By RThoe⏩
You have plenty of evidence Trump was anti 2A, and zero that GJ is, yet you say such a thing. You're smarter then that in my experience. See also post above about guns he owns for personal protection and various gun views.Everything else is secondary to that for me as a voter. I admire the fact that he climbed the Seven Summits as that's a life time goal of mine, but his actions against the Second Amendment are enough to ensure I (and many gun owners) never vote for him.
Originally Posted By RThoe⏩
Wow...(yes, Trump has a history of being anti-gun but 20 years is a long time, I still prefer someone that persistently supports the Second today than a cuck that subtly opposes it)
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Originally Posted By RougeProdigy⏩
He's not anti gun you idiot. Red gonna red.I appreciate Gary's stances being anti-gun and open border. His free trade policy positions are good too.
I would vote for the guy if Hillary wasnt running. Really good talent this election cycle except for the elephant in the room.
I would vote for the guy if Hillary wasnt running. Really good talent this election cycle except for the elephant in the room.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
He supports common sense gun regulations. But you're right Hillary has a more developed stance on the issue.He's not anti gun you idiot. Red gonna red.
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Wait a minute OP.... Although he said just a few years ago that he didn't own any guns .... he now owns them????
That makes him a criminal.
You cannot own firearms while be a user of marijuana, of which Gary Johnson has admitted frequent and recent use.
owning guns + smoking marijuana is illegal:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...%20firearms%3F
Can an openly proud marijuana addict win a Presidential election the US?
No, he cannot.
Can an openly proud marijuana addict who is breaking federal law by illegally owning firearms win a Presidential election the US?
No, he cannot.
That makes him a criminal.
You cannot own firearms while be a user of marijuana, of which Gary Johnson has admitted frequent and recent use.
owning guns + smoking marijuana is illegal:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...%20firearms%3F
Can an openly proud marijuana addict win a Presidential election the US?
No, he cannot.
Can an openly proud marijuana addict who is breaking federal law by illegally owning firearms win a Presidential election the US?
No, he cannot.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
Well for starters, I said vets, not active duty. I checked that poll and apparently it's run by some dude on ********, just lmaoYes most active mil support him:
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/28...ve-duty-troops
What do you know as retired mil they don't?
So, he has decades of being pro 2A and had never done a flip flop on that issue, but you think he's anti gun? Yet, "yes, Trump has a history of being anti-gun but 20 years is a long time, I still prefer someone that persistently supports the Second today"
So consistently pro 2A two time GOP governor vs a guy who supported AWB, extended waiting times, etc is the better choice. Um k...Maybe try an CCW on one of his properties? They are "gun free zones" per article above. If that does not bother you, then you're at cognitive dissonance level 11. On 2A issue, Trump will be 1000X better than HC even with his flip flops, but you really have to be delusional at this point to see him as superior to GJ on 2A/Gun Rights issues.
One more time, VP is a classic FUDD. He and GJ are clear they don't agree on that issue. A pro 2A potus who has NEVER flip flopped on that issue with a FUDD VP is a better choice than POTUS who was for the AWB etc and now born again 2A guy any day all day. Trump has his changed his political affliation 5 times, so if that's the guy you wanna trust that's up to you, but you're smoking crack if you think at his core he's a bigger supporter of 2A/Gun Rights than GJ.
You have plenty of evidence Trump was anti 2A, and zero that GJ is, yet you say such a thing. You're smarter then that in my experience. See also post above about guns he owns for personal protection and various gun views.
Wow...
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/28...ve-duty-troops
What do you know as retired mil they don't?
So, he has decades of being pro 2A and had never done a flip flop on that issue, but you think he's anti gun? Yet, "yes, Trump has a history of being anti-gun but 20 years is a long time, I still prefer someone that persistently supports the Second today"
So consistently pro 2A two time GOP governor vs a guy who supported AWB, extended waiting times, etc is the better choice. Um k...Maybe try an CCW on one of his properties? They are "gun free zones" per article above. If that does not bother you, then you're at cognitive dissonance level 11. On 2A issue, Trump will be 1000X better than HC even with his flip flops, but you really have to be delusional at this point to see him as superior to GJ on 2A/Gun Rights issues.
One more time, VP is a classic FUDD. He and GJ are clear they don't agree on that issue. A pro 2A potus who has NEVER flip flopped on that issue with a FUDD VP is a better choice than POTUS who was for the AWB etc and now born again 2A guy any day all day. Trump has his changed his political affliation 5 times, so if that's the guy you wanna trust that's up to you, but you're smoking crack if you think at his core he's a bigger supporter of 2A/Gun Rights than GJ.
You have plenty of evidence Trump was anti 2A, and zero that GJ is, yet you say such a thing. You're smarter then that in my experience. See also post above about guns he owns for personal protection and various gun views.
Wow...
Choosing a VP that is as anti-gun as Hillary (and even more ignorant on guns, at least she knows what a rifle is) is definitely not "consistently pro-2A"
Throughout this race, no candidate has been more supportive of the Second than Trump, and he wasn't my first choice. Trump talks about the Second far more than Johnson.
Lol at dismissing the fact that he chose a retard as anti-gun as Hillary. He is far more than a fudd, he is anti-gun in every sense of the word and having him that close to the presidency is a danger to the Second. Idk what Trump or any politician is at their core. What I do know is which politician has been the most vocal about defending and expanding the Second and that is undeniably Trump.
If the Second was that important to him, he would not pick a VP as anti-gun as Hillary.
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Originally Posted By RThoe⏩
And you're still wrong. He's not as anti gun as HC, and GJ does not need to be " Throughout this race, no candidate has been more supportive " than Trump, becausehe's always been supportive from day one.. Your dismissal of all these realities is shear denial now. You obviously know what a FUDD is, and Weld the classic FUDD. Hillary is just anti gun POS period. GJ has been clear where he stands all along.Well for starters, I said vets, not active duty. I checked that poll and apparently it's run by some dude on ********, just lmao
Choosing a VP that is as anti-gun as Hillary (and even more ignorant on guns, at least she knows what a rifle is) is definitely not "consistently pro-2A"
Throughout this race, no candidate has been more supportive of the Second than Trump, and he wasn't my first choice. Trump talks about the Second far more than Johnson.
Lol at dismissing the fact that he chose a retard as anti-gun as Hillary. He is far more than a fudd, he is anti-gun in every sense of the word and having him that close to the presidency is a danger to the Second. Idk what Trump or any politician is at their core. What I do know is which politician has been the most vocal about defending and expanding the Second and that is undeniably Trump.
If the Second was that important to him, he would not pick a VP as anti-gun as Hillary.
Choosing a VP that is as anti-gun as Hillary (and even more ignorant on guns, at least she knows what a rifle is) is definitely not "consistently pro-2A"
Throughout this race, no candidate has been more supportive of the Second than Trump, and he wasn't my first choice. Trump talks about the Second far more than Johnson.
Lol at dismissing the fact that he chose a retard as anti-gun as Hillary. He is far more than a fudd, he is anti-gun in every sense of the word and having him that close to the presidency is a danger to the Second. Idk what Trump or any politician is at their core. What I do know is which politician has been the most vocal about defending and expanding the Second and that is undeniably Trump.
If the Second was that important to him, he would not pick a VP as anti-gun as Hillary.
If you prefer flip flopper POTUS to a pro 2A POTUS and FUDD VP, than nothing I can say will change your mind, but to accuse GJ of being anti gun is just ignoring the facts and long term stances made by GJ.
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
After being exposed as a liar, that's really the best you can come up with?Wait a minute OP.... Although he said just a few years ago that he didn't own any guns .... he now owns them????
That makes him a criminal.
That makes him a criminal.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
liar??? I haven't lied about anything. What do youthinkI have lied about? ...After being exposed as a liar, that's really the best you can come up with?
Gary Johnson on Gun Control
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Q: Do you carry a gun?
A: I don't, and [color=red]I don't own a gun, [color]
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A pollster just called me! Said I was voting for Gary Johnson. Took about 15 mins to do the poll!
I am feeling the johnson baby!
I am feeling the johnson baby!
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Originally Posted By JimFromRaleigh1⏩
Never had a pollster call. Nice to know someone who had been contacted from any of the campaigns!A pollster just called me! Said I was voting for Gary Johnson. Took about 15 mins to do the poll!
I am feeling the johnson baby!
I am feeling the johnson baby!
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
I have taken the Economist/YouGov poll twice (it's online).Never had a pollster call. Nice to know someone who had been contacted from any of the campaigns!
And LOL at being against Johnson because of 2A. Trump will flip, I mean, pivot, to full gun control pretty soon. I think single payer healthcare is the next flip-flop for Trump that he's vocally supported in the past, but gun control (AWB, no fly no buy, etc.) is definitely on the agenda, too. Toomey is running against 2A here in PA and has been from the start, so that's definitely the GOP "general election" strategy.
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2 months ago, GJ was not even mentioned on this forum. Now he has become so popular that Trumpers are attacking him because they see him as a viable threat.
If we can just get into the debate...
If we can just get into the debate...
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Originally Posted By JimFromRaleigh1⏩
Media is also giving him far more attention these days, which should help, but tough call right now.2 months ago, GJ was not even mentioned on this forum. Now he has become so popular that Trumpers are attacking him because they see him as a viable threat.
If we can just get into the debate...
If we can just get into the debate...
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie⏩
This is only true because the media is trying to use him as a tool against Trump while hoping the votes he takes from him won't also be taken from Hillary. If this was 2012 (when he was also the libertarian candidate) he would be ignored just like he was then. The media is the biggest terrorist organization in the US. They are absolute scum.It helps that he's on the airwaves now finally.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
Johnson was taking more voters away from Hillary than Trump. There are conflicting polls but he seems to take away votes from both parties.This is only true because the media is trying to use him as a tool against Trump while hoping the votes he takes from him won't also be taken from Hillary. If this was 2012 (when he was also the libertarian candidate) he would be ignored just like he was then. The media is the biggest terrorist organization in the US. They are absolute scum.
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