how can he bodyslam?

When he is charged civilly that will be a valid claim. Until then he's a free man and not in the wrong.

Ok you repeating that but that doesnt mean anything..

Again where in shoving match does reasonable force = slamming on ground?

And is one not an escalation of violence?

There are laws in place for excessive force, even when you are defending yourself, and if law enforcement did not find the force used to defend himself to be excessive, then yes, slamming her on the ground was fully reasonable. He has to be charged to be in the wrong. Your opinion will not make him wrong no matter how hard you try. You're like those Trayvon Martin supporters who still think that big Z was wrong. Your opinion =/= reality

Because men are double the strength or more of your average female, don't matter how big we are.

He's not wrong for defending himself, but it may have been a little excessive. Obviously her slaps and kicks didn't have nearly the effect of the force he took her down. He took her down like she was a grown man. He prevented her head from hitting the concrete, but the force he put into it was pretty bad.

Stop resolving to law enforcement..

Can law enforcement be corrupt.. yes or no?

Is slamming someone to ground reasonable force in a shoving match or is shoving someone back reasonable force in a shoving match?

Strength is not a factor when determining whether one was rightfully defending themselves. Strong people are not held to different standards than weak people. They are equally as allowed to defend themselves with the same tactics.

If it were excessive the police would not have let him go.

Your opinion does not change reality. I'm sorry, but as it stands your opinion is wrong and you cannot do anything about it. Go take a breather and bask in it for a while. Once you've accepted reality you can come back to apologize.

My opinion has to do with the facts of the case and thats all ive presented

You have brought forth nothing and wont answer because you know youre wrong

I actually agree that there is likely nothing to happen. Still does not negate me saying there is a case (given the facts of the case which you have not refuted)

But who knows next week if shes geeling dizzy all of the sudden and theyre trying to figure out why. Or when they seek legal counsel

Well obviously the law is meant to represent all bodies equally, but people are morally outraged because he is a much larger man who took a much smaller girl down like she was a man or larger woman. Man on man conflict and woman on woman conflict do not share the same standards of man on woman conflict, because women do not have the same strength potential that men do, period. That is not sexist but a biological fact.

Here are the facts.

An underage boy was attacked by an underage female

The underage boy defended himself within his legal boundaries

The police stated that the underage female was in the wrong and asked the underage boy if he would like to press charges



There are no other facts. The rest is just your opinion.

Its not the same

"Defendants who claim self-defense admit that they used force or violence against the victim, but they assert that they did so because the victim was actually the attacker, that they had to act to avoid being hurt themselves (or to protect someone else from being hurt), and that the amount of force they used was proportional to the threat presented. The basic issues in any self-defense claim are who started the incident and whether the defendants response was necessary and proportionate to the threat posed by the agressor."

You have to assess the threat

Why wont you answer this..

What is reasonable force in a shoving match?

And is throwing her to the ground an escalation of shoving match?

Is reasnoble force in a shoving match shoving back?

Ho Lee Fuk at this thread.

HLF at everyone saying "he didn't have to come out of his house"...did she have to go over to his house?
HLF at everyone saying "he didn't have to put his hands on her"...did she have to put her hands on him?
HLF at everyone saying this isn't self defense...if it was a 100 lb dude attacking that guy, everyone would be going "LMAO! Serves him right, little *******!"

In a situation where a stupid, aggressive 15 year old girl used the poorest judgement in a number of ways, this guy was put in a situation where he had to react on what was going on in front of him. He actually showed better judgement than her with no time to think it through LOL.

The bottom line is, don't fukkin attack anyone. If you decide to throw your hands in anger at someone, then you have to accept the consequences. She had to pay for her actions by eating a little concrete, he will get a little legal slap on the wrists. They will both pay for this stupidity but something tells me he will learn more from it than she will considering how many of you WK's are burying your noses in her ass "ErrMaGawd...you totally didn't deserve that Holly! xoxo!"

Reasonable force is whatever the law determines is allowed. That's it. Not what you think or what I think. Personal opinions are meaningless.

There's reasonable unreasonability when someones attacking you though. Nobody acts perfectly rationally when someones throwing hands on them.

Can law enforcement be corrupt yes or no?

It also sucks how this kid did nothing wrong yet his name is now plastered all over the internet. And its gonna to be a hindrance for the rest of his life. Really feek bad for him

I think she got the head injury when her girlfriend decided to sit down on top of her head while flapping her arms like a hummingbird

Law enforcement does not create the laws.Women argue otherwise on a daily basis in the battle for "equality". You can either have equality or you can have biological facts where women are not equal to men. Pick one, you can't have both.

Thats exactly the point.. and even still can law-makers be corrupt?

Anyways, im done.. you still wont answer anything

That thong on that bish tho. they all look like stupid trashy whores.

Well yeah, I can't argue there. Women can become stupid when it comes to these things, but lets not stoop to their level.

We are still equal regardless, we just have different things we generally strength at. People need to understand this isn't something we chose in culture, this is something that is predetermined by our biology. Gender difference is real, and always will be.

I absolutely agree and I think that almost every miscer will agree with that too. The issue is that women are denying this and seeking equality between the sexes. So, if they want equality, this is what equality is - stronger men using equal force on women as they would use on other men.There has not been any found corruption related to the self-defense laws. You asked me a question and I answered it. I will quote it for you since you somehow missed itReasonable force is whatever the law determines is allowed. That's it. Not what you think or what I think. Personal opinions are meaningless.

[QUOTE=krazy33;1466927581]Why wont you answer this..

What is reasonable force in a shoving match?

And is throwing her to the ground an escalation of shoving match?

Is reasnoble force in a shoving match shoving back?[/QUOTE

it wasn't a purely shoving match....SHE escalated it by kicking him...thus reasonable force is to bring a point to where she can't continue to escalate the situation further. The last chick 'shoved' him in the back - he did nothing to her in return, because she didn't continue to escalate the situation.

Whats hilarious.. on the opposite side you not answering is giving leeway to being wrongfully imprisoned..

If lawmakers can be corrupt

And law enforcement is subject to opinion since they dont make the laws..

Then law enforcement can come down to personal opinion..

But i mean you still wont directly answer if law enforcement can be corrupt

Easy backfall: "the law says so". "That one cops opinion is the law"

Yea i guess if i was lawmaker telling you to jump off the bridge would be aight too.

I asked you directly if slamming someone on ground is more of an escalation (which you dont want to answer truthfully) than shoving someone back?

Anyways.. we still dont even know what laws are applicable. Dude can live in a state where duty to retreat is enacted

Just because police or state dont prosecute doesnt mean theres not a case

There's not a case, though. Imagine a situation where both actors are men; would there be a case of assault? Of course not, and if you say there is, you're either lying or are a retard. Justice is supposed to be blind, which means this situation has to be looked at the same as if it were man on man, man on woman, woman on man, woman on woman.

Yea thats right..

"Defendants who claim self-defense admit that they used force or violence against the victim, but they assert that they did so because the “victim” was actually the attacker, that they had to act to avoid being hurt themselves (or to protect someone else from being hurt), and that the amount of force they used was proportional to the threat presented. The basic issues in any self-defense claim are who started the incident and whether the defendant’s response wasnecessary and proportionate to the threat posed by the agressor."

Thats why you can body slam an 8 year old toddler on the concrete

Thats why you can body slam an 8 year old toddler on the concrete


You had me goin for a sec, bruh.

Done!

http://imgur.com/rwcPWGS

You realize the escalation of violence stuff is enacted, so , again, you dont go to a bar and touch someone on the shoulder and that gives them the right to shoot you in the head

Touching someone that doesnt want to be touched is battery