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Thread: Misc Firearms Crew LXIII: Lowlifes with Tickets on the Trump Train to the Gun Show

post 1475107331 12-14-2016, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
Serious question guys, anyone ever worry about accidentally shooting or any sort of accidents?
If by "worry" you mean always being mindful of the possibility for a devastating injury if the basic safety rules are violated, then yes, I do worry when handling a gun.

When around guns, you cannot forget even for a second that they must be pointed in a safe direction to prevent a criminally negligent death or severe injury.

But don't be nervous. Guns are simple machines and the four basic safety rules are simple to comply with. Children can be successfully trained to be safe.

One more thing: if you are holding a gun that is pointed at someone, and your finger is inside the trigger guard, and you next squeeze the trigger, it's not an "accident" if someone is hurt, even if you didn't intend to hurt anyone. There's just no such thing as an accidental shooting.

Most people can easily learn the habits of safe gun handling and constant self-awareness of their actions. But a few can't because they are just too damn stupid to be around guns. As you get into gun ownership, you'll have to decide which category you are in.
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
If you're loading and unloading your gun literally every time you come and go from your house you are creating thousands and thousands of unnecessary opportunities to goof.

My guns get loaded and stay loaded unless they're being cleaned or doing dry fire.
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The thing about that you end up handling a loaded gun a whole bunch which gives you that many more chances to screw up.

Watch for bullet setback if you continually chamber the same round.
That's true but I don't carry daily, most of the places I frequent aren't dangerous and I find carrying to be really annoying so it's reserved for when I'm heading into a high crime area or doing a longer drive.



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Originally Posted By paulpfiction⏩
but you're also under the impression where the gun doesn't have a round in the chamber, and could get treated as such.

When you always keep one in there you know, and it will always be treated as such.


just my opinion
That is a possible issue as well. Youshouldby rule #1 always treat every gun as if it were loaded (possible exception if you picked it up and checked at the time but I don't believe in that, I only exception rule #1 if the gun is obviously action-open or otherwise clearly inoperable such as a revolver with the cylinder swung open) but that there complacency
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The thing about that you end up handling a loaded gun a whole bunch which gives you that many more chances to screw up.

Watch for bullet setback if you continually chamber the same round.
I unload my house guns when I go to work and am locking them up, what I do is take all the already chambered rounds and put them in a separate bag I take to my range days so i shoot off the possibly setback rounds before it can become an issue. I had no idea setback was a thing until several years ago and a friend pointed it out to me after asking if I rechambered the same round over and over when reloading my house guns... we looked at one and sure enough it was slightly setback after being rechambered for probably a week or more. It shot fine when I reloaded it at the range but still wouldnt want to take the chance in a true self defense home situation, so I make sure to chamber new rounds every night and shoot the old ones only at the range.
Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
If you're loading and unloading your gun literally every time you come and go from your house you are creating thousands and thousands of unnecessary opportunities to goof.

My guns get loaded and stay loaded unless they're being cleaned or doing dry fire.
I agree with this, but dont like storing loaded guns because the next time I go into the safe, and get one its a possibility to forget which ones are stored loaded or not, I just prefer to unload before storing each time as a ritual. But I certainly see your point, each time you chamber is a potential opportunity for some failure, so its not something to take for granted that a round couldnt ever go off in the act of chambering or unchambering a round. I safety check them all everytime anyways, just the habit of not storing loaded guns in the safe has always been the way I was taught and handled my own collection.
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Originally Posted By PepperedAngus⏩
I unload my house guns when I go to work and am locking them up...
I never understood why some owners unload their guns before they go in the safe. It might be a good practice, but I just don't understand it.

If a gun is safe while it's loaded sitting on my desk, or coffee table, or kitchen counter, then it should be safe if it's loaded and locked up. The system we use at my house is that a loaded pistol goes in a holster when it's in the safe.

That avoids putting a finger in the trigger guard when removing it from the safe in low light. And in a HD situation, it lets me know which gun to grab first (the loaded one in a holster).
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Originally Posted By Rajeev762x39⏩
I never understood why some owners unload their guns before they go in the safe. It might be a good practice, but I just don't understand it.

If a gun is safe while it's loaded sitting on my desk, or coffee table, or kitchen counter, then it should be safe it it's loaded and locked up. The system we use at my house is that a loaded pistol goes in a holster when it's in the safe.

That avoids putting a finger in the trigger guard when removing it from the safe in low light. And in a HD situation, it lets me know which gun to grab first (the loaded one in a holster).
Yeah I see the reason in this method, I just was taught no loaded guns in the safe when I was a kid, and its always stuck.

I also dont even have a holster for one of my house guns, its not a on person gun, its a stored in one place gun while im home, I generally dont walk around the house with a holstered gun, I just have 2 in easily accessible areas at all times so something is on hand quickly, but not on body (which I know would be ideal, but...california...cant even go outside without breaking the law if I had one holstered on me and forgot I would be potentially felonious..)
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My safe only gets unloaded guns. It's for consistency. Every gun in the safe is supposed to be unloaded, and generally it will be action open, chamber flagged, hammer down/striker released. I only use mechanical locks and I'm not about to think I'm going to spin the dial back and forth and back on the right numbers in an emergency to access an HD gun anyway. There are loaded magazines for all of the firearms in the safe as well, though.

HD guns stay loaded and go in quick access safes, and a couple different carry guns stay loaded and holstered and go in their own quick access safes.

I never put an unloaded gun in a holster unless it is required at an event or range I am attending. Holstered, on body or not, is supposed to mean loaded for me.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Yeah, that's pretty stupid.

Also, as a general rule, it is common practice not to hand a loaded handgun to anybody, anyway. They can load it themselves if need be. Some people extend that to all firearms. Personally I don't think I ever hand a loaded gun to anybody except a couple I trust and then really only when on a live/hot firing line.
I agree. I would not hand it over so lightly and I agree to your other post (if I'm not mistaken, I just forgot to quote it) about treating every gun as a loaded gun and take precaution. I know that.
Originally Posted By Rajeev762x39⏩
If by "worry" you mean always being mindful of the possibility for a devastating injury if the basic safety rules are violated, then yes, I do worry when handling a gun.

When around guns, you cannot forget even for a second that they must be pointed in a safe direction to prevent a criminally negligent death or severe injury.

But don't be nervous. Guns are simple machines and the four basic safety rules are simple to comply with. Children can be successfully trained to be safe.

One more thing: if you are holding a gun that is pointed at someone, and your finger is inside the trigger guard, and you next squeeze the trigger, it's not an "accident" if someone is hurt, even if you didn't intend to hurt anyone. There's just no such thing as an accidental shooting.

Most people can easily learn the habits of safe gun handling and constant self-awareness of their actions. But a few can't because they are just too damn stupid to be around guns. As you get into gun ownership, you'll have to decide which category you are in.
I need to look up the four basic safety rules. I think I mentally (subconsciously) think it can go off just being held in my hand without my finger even pulling the trigger. I guess that's why I asked my friend to unload it. Again, I think it's just another no experience kind of thing.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
My safe only gets unloaded guns. It's for consistency. Every gun in the safe is supposed to be unloaded, and generally it will be action open, chamber flagged, hammer down/striker released. I only use mechanical locks and I'm not about to think I'm going to spin the dial back and forth and back on the right numbers in an emergency to access an HD gun anyway. There are loaded magazines for all of the firearms in the safe as well, though.

HD guns stay loaded and go in quick access safes, and a couple different carry guns stay loaded and holstered and go in their own quick access safes.

I never put an unloaded gun in a holster unless it is required at an event or range I am attending. Holstered, on body or not, is supposed to mean loaded for me.
Same system I use.

Safe holds unloaded, flagged guns and loaded mags, but no mags in wells, or cocked actions. I think the ritual of making sure you do the same consistent things each and every time is what makes you safe. So theres no real right or wrong way to do it imo, its just a matter of being consistent and adhering to your own safety rules each and every time a firearm is stored or handled.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
My hard and fast rule is that there's never a round chambered in any gun in my house unless it's my carry pistol and it goes right in the holster on my hip afterward, and first thing I do after getting home is un-chamber it again. If I never have a round chambered then I can't negligently discharge one, and I'll have time to chamber one if someone starts to break in while I'm home since I keep loaded mags in most of them. I check the chamber anyway before dropping the hammer as well just in case a round grew a brain and found its way in there
Do you rotate the rounds? I've heard it's not a good idea to rechamber the same rounds over and over. It can cause bullet setback. Not sure how much of an issue it really is, I've just read about it.


*edit* Reading back through it looks like guys covered this already
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
I see, a few months ago, my friend had his conceal just sitting in-between us in his truck.I asked if I could see it and when he was handing it to me, I immediately asked him to take it back and asked him to unload it and everything. Idk why, I was just really worried I guess.

lol I can't believe I'm actually talking about this, but it happened.
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Originally Posted By EdgarAllanBro⏩
do any of you redneck jerk off's know where this comes from originally? I found it on a site called unsavoryagents.com, but others are selling it too. wanted to buy from original creator.

In for Velcro morale patch (if it exists).
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
I agree. I would not hand it over so lightly and I agree to your other post (if I'm not mistaken, I just forgot to quote it) about treating every gun as a loaded gun and take precaution. I know that.



I need to look up the four basic safety rules. I think I mentally (subconsciously) think it can go off just being held in my hand without my finger even pulling the trigger. I guess that's why I asked my friend to unload it. Again, I think it's just another no experience kind of thing.
The problem is a lot of people simply do not follow rule #3 (finger off trigger until sights are on target and preparing to fire) and as a result they pull the trigger negligently and say "the gun just went off" well no it didn't you pulled the damn trigger.

There is a thing known as a slam fire that can happen but is extremely rare as it doesn't happen in firearms that are in proper working order, I've seen a video of one once but most people can shoot an awful long time and never witness a legitimate one, slam fire being, you rack the slide or drop/ close the slide/action and the gun fires without trigger being pulled

So, be triply sure of safe direction when operating the action
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The problem is a lot of people simply do not follow rule #3 (finger off trigger until sights are on target and preparing to fire) and as a result they pull the trigger negligently and say "the gun just went off" well no it didn't you pulled the damn trigger.

There is a thing known as a slam fire that can happen but is extremely rare as it doesn't happen in firearms that are in proper working order, I've seen a video of one once but most people can shoot an awful long time and never witness a legitimate one, slam fire being, you rack the slide or drop/ close the slide/action and the gun fires without trigger being pulled

So, be triply sure of safe direction when operating the action
This. Neighbor was being stupid with several rules, two months ago, when he shot his .45 through my bedroom wall. Scary chit happens when you get complacent.
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Originally Posted By EdgarAllanBro⏩
I'd get my test levels checked.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The problem is a lot of people simply do not follow rule #3 (finger off trigger until sights are on target and preparing to fire) and as a result they pull the trigger negligently and say "the gun just went off" well no it didn't you pulled the damn trigger.

There is a thing known as a slam fire that can happen but is extremely rare as it doesn't happen in firearms that are in proper working order, I've seen a video of one once but most people can shoot an awful long time and never witness a legitimate one, slam fire being, you rack the slide or drop/ close the slide/action and the gun fires without trigger being pulled

So, be triply sure of safe direction when operating the action
Definitely, I agree. Safety first. Thanks
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Originally Posted By Rajeev762x39⏩
In for Velcro morale patch (if it exists).
I think I got mine from unsavory agents.

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What part of "Shall Not Be Infringed" are you having trouble with?

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Picked up my 10" 516 upper.

Guess it's time to start planning an SBR build.

For those that have gone the NFA route...still worth going with a trust or filing as an individual? 41F made everything a hassle.

Lots of NFA goodies in my future. I snagged the 516 upper because it was a screaming deal but my MCX will get converted to 300blk sooner or later with a can.
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What's the smallest AR grip available? Asking for sonbrah's AR.
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[QUOTE=ChaoticReignPbt post_id=1475123151][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/v5TB7e6.jpg[/IM

Picked up my 10" 516 upper.

Guess it's time to start planning an SBR build.

For those that have gone the NFA route...still worth going with a trust or filing as an individual? 41F made everything a hassle.

Lots of NFA goodies in my future. I snagged the 516 upper because it was a screaming deal but my MCX will get converted to 300blk sooner or later with a can.[/QUOTE]I did individual on my stuff. I don't see the point in a trust unless you need others to have access to the stuff too.
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What's the smallest AR grip available? Asking for sonbrah's AR.
I know....it's Troy. You asked...

http://www.lapolicegear.com/troy-battleax-cqbgrip.html
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Seems in a few years, the general consensus is everybody will be shooting supressed. Now I'm kind of regretting getting the ELW 16" middy from BCM, as they don't recommend shooting LW barrels suppressed. Urghh
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Nail on the head. The workout in the AM is the anchor. Everything can go to sht, but if I work out in the morning I am less stressed because I DIDN'T MISS A SESSION.

BTW, I missed today's session. Feeling incomplete. Might lift when I get home if my kid wants to play on my PC (in the same area as my rack and bars).
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You guys are motivating me to wake up an hour earlier everyday, instead of working out in the evenings. I don't know if I should be grateful or angry.
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1st thing in the am is GOAT.

Except for the actual getting up part . . . but then everything else is GOAT. Once you are used to it, it's hard to beat.
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
Serious question guys, anyone ever worry about accidentally shooting or any sort of accidents?
A guy i know, who i know to be very diligent in his safe handling and operating of fire arms, had a ricochet come back and lodge between the skin on the side of his skull and his skull. I dont remember what kind of round it was, but im p sure it was a 9mm. hes fine today but he was obvi in shock when it happened, he drove himself back to the road where they were parked and an ambulence met them there. he still does tons of shooting and loves guns, he braught his Tavor by my office a couple of months ago so i could check it out
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I may do this anyway. Not even usually really a fan of egg nog, but for some reason I just want it this year. May the gains be ever in my favor.
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
I see, a few months ago, my friend had his conceal just sitting in-between us in his truck. I asked if I could see it and when he was handing it to me, I immediately asked him to take it back and asked him to unload it and everything. Idk why, I was just really worried I guess.

lol I can't believe I'm actually talking about this, but it happened.
Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Yeah of course, gun safety should be a constant thing in the back of your mind whenever you're handling a gun. My hard and fast rule is that there's never a round chambered in any gun in my house unless it's my carry pistol and it goes right in the holster on my hip afterward, and first thing I do after getting home is un-chamber it again. If I never have a round chambered then I can't negligently discharge one, and I'll have time to chamber one if someone starts to break in while I'm home since I keep loaded mags in most of them. I check the chamber anyway before dropping the hammer as well just in case a round grew a brain and found its way in there.

I would be worried if someone who wasn't familiar with guns didn't react like you did if I randomly handed them one. That would show a dangerous lack of understanding/respect for the power of a firearm.






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Any time i handle the gun at all i a. make sure my finger is off the trigger, b)drop the mag, c) rack the slide back to drop the chambered rd if there is one (there is), and then lock the slide back. This isnt unless im going to or coming from the range, other than that i dont mess with it.
Originally Posted By paulpfiction⏩
but you're also under the impression where the gun doesn't have a round in the chamber, and could get treated as such.

When you always keep one in there you know, and it will always be treated as such.


just my opinion
i can see this, and i actually do keep a rd. in the chamber on my hd weapon. I wear glasses/contact and i dont sleep with either. if the 4-5 seconds i have between when i hear the front door being kicked in and the bad guy being with in range of endangering my wife or myself is going to be spent on something itll be spent on my eyes adjusting, grabbing , fumbling and finally putting on my glasses, and removing my gun where its stored at night (not out on the nightstand), which doesnt leave much time to rack a rd if it is a bad guy. Im not trying to be in a race to see if i can rack the slide and raise the gun into shooting position faster than he can bring me into his sights etc.
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The problem is a lot of people simply do not follow rule #3 (finger off trigger until sights are on target and preparing to fire) and as a result they pull the trigger negligently and say "the gun just went off" well no it didn't you pulled the damn trigger.

There is a thing known as a slam fire that can happen but is extremely rare as it doesn't happen in firearms that are in proper working order, I've seen a video of one once but most people can shoot an awful long time and never witness a legitimate one, slam fire being, you rack the slide or drop/ close the slide/action and the gun fires without trigger being pulled

So, be triply sure of safe direction when operating the action
yea i will agree with this. I think the most important thing to remember when handling guns are in the following order:
1) Treat every gun as if it is loaded, unless obvi its as you mentioned disassembled or chamber locked open and verified empty
2) Dont point any gun at anything you are not willing to destroy
3) dont put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire the gun

everything else is p minor, this should be the backbone of the rules. The constitution of firearm safety. I took a pistol safety course and did qualifying stuff about a year ago with my father in law and my instructor admitted that he had an accidental misfire. said he was at his buddies house for easter and he was checking out his buddy (maybe bro in law)'s gun and pointed it at at a bucket of cleaning rags in the garage which was on the ground (luckily), and ulled the trigger. said it took a nasty gauge of concrete out of the garage floor but other than that everything was ok other than his ego, and the ego of the guy who handed him the loaded gun.
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Originally Posted By OfficerJimLahey⏩
SpeedCheeser is a wise man.

I always read your name as SpeedChaser.
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Originally Posted By Sp3cialK⏩
I know....it's Troy. You asked...

http://www.lapolicegear.com/troy-battleax-cqbgrip.html
Lame
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Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Lame
Modify an A2 grip?
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I know a company that does grip reduction and stippling if you need the contact info.
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Originally Posted By dawktwenty⏩
Seems in a few years, the general consensus is everybody will be shooting supressed. Now I'm kind of regretting getting the ELW 16" middy from BCM, as they don't recommend shooting LW barrels suppressed. Urghh
It's fine to use a suppressor, I could see maybe full auto or something becoming a problem but plinking at the range is gtg
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Originally Posted By spirit750⏩
I know a company that does grip reduction and stippling if you need the contact info.
I think I know who you're talking about. Problem is they don't have time to work on their own chit. It all gets put on the back burner for customer stuff.




Basically I ain't time for that.
It has taken me almost a week just to put the lower and upper together as I've been literally putting 5 minutes at a time into when I can here and there.
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