How did this thread become so politicized? i asked about climate change, not political affiliations.

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I had to look both of those up. You must be so smart.

Whenever a politicized science is being heavily promulgated by the left, I find it hard to give it any credence. The same assclowns that just spent an entire election cycle calling me a racist for no reason, and denying the basic biological fact that men & women are different are now the experts that I'm supposed to believe when they tell me humans are causing the climate to change? U wot m8?

BRB, Gender is a social construct
BRB, Global warming!
BRB, Fukc, it's not warming! It's er.. um.. CLIMATE CHANGE! That's it! The climate is.. er.. durrr. changing!

Well, no ****. The climate has always been changing. Prove to me mankind is now somehow the cause of said change.

Most know the climate is changing. History tells us the climate changes.

The problem is they're using climate change to push their commie globalization agenda.

Repped cuck. The climate change industry, JUST LIKE THE FEMINISM INDUSTRY, isn't concerned with truth but only with securing its own existence. It does this by FABRICATING STATISTICS and searching for problems to obtain more government funding. Its like a vortex that sucks in and seeks to destroy everything in its path.

Theonlyreason anthropogenic climate change is a thing is because it is politically convenient to the Left. It was never a considerable scientific concern. You will not find credible scientists presenting any raw data that shows any reason for alarmism. What happened is that journalists and researchers with a vested interest took the notion that CO2 has a slight affect on temperature, ignored the fact that the atmosphere buffers temperature changes from CO2, and they used flawed computer models to create exaggerated doomsday scenarios that have since been debunked (like in Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth). And they've managed to convince millions of people that the doomsday models are based on actual science.

When you remove the political agenda behind alarmism, the science is pretty clear that the alarmism is nonsense.

Not to mention they're basically an orthodoxy. Look at how OP named this thread: "If you don't believe in climate change, please step into this thread and explain why."
Then, if you don'tbelievein it, they call you a "Climate Change Denier", as if A) anthropogenic Climate change were some immutable fact, and B) As if you were blaspheming against their chosen deity (ala, the State).

Climate Change Denier?!!?

Their reasoning for not believing in climate change is the fact that liberals believe in it, and they think its some conspiracy for democrats to force their green energy solutions onto everyone by taxing people or some chit.

Its Al Gore's fault that its been politicized even though its been an issue far longer before he gave a phuck about it. Remember Ferngully? Remember Captain Planet? Remember saturday morning cartoon PSA's?....memberrr?Those movies shows and commercials predated Al Gores"Super Serial"global warming movie in the early 2000's where he basically talked out of his ass about the climate getting warmer because of what he experienced from a day to day basis in front of his house while giving hair-brain solutions with no basis in reality.

Then there are people that actually believe the data, but don't think its a big deal because they don't understand the gravity of 1/10ths of a degree change or centimeters rises in ocean waters. They don't think it effects them, but there are people who are effected by it. Polynesian islands like Tuvalu and Kiribati that have been around the tens of thousands or years (basically as long as people have lived on the islands/known they exist) are literally sinking into the ocean because they are at such low sea level. Somehow these islands have managed to survive for thousands of years, but only recently they are being projected to cease to be inhabitable by 2050 and completely submerged by 2100.

I think that even if we have had absolutely no impact on the planet it can't help to at leasttryto do something about it. I'm not even going to scroll through this thread, but I guarantee someone is bitching about either falsified data or the fact that the name was changed from global warming to climate change.

Falsifying data is what happens when a grad student is desperate to get grant money to fund their project so they can have something to research for their PhD. The mistake of one group of people can ruin it for everyone. Now people are crying wolf and saying EVERYTHING has been fake all along (spearheaded by the Alex Jones crowd).

The name changed because after further research with newer and better equipment it was found that the climate is changing differently around the world. There are some places that are getting warmer but there are also places that have become unseasonably cooler year after year. Names for things in science change when new data is released, there is no conspiracy behind it. STI's use to be called VD's (Venereal Diseases) because scientists in the 19th century came to the conclusion that sexually transmitted infections only came from the womens vagina. They were later called STD's because back in the early 20th century, when you got something like chlamydia, there was no cure for it. Now that we have means of repressing and in some cases completely curing them, we call them STInfections.

There's really no point in trying to debate this op, people are fixed in their ways, and they'll never be proven wrong because before it starts to impact them they'll be long dead.

I dont understand what the climate scientists have to gain by lying

I believe that climate change is largely natural, not to say that we don't contribute but who knows the reality of how much we actually do. Around 3% of CO2 levels in the atmosphere are directly from us or something, but who's not to say that we change the Earth indirectly, and on top of that who's to say that those changes are necessarily bad (global warming would cause large swathes of Siberia to become arable to a degree, and the planet has complex mechanisms to sustain life so we have to really try hard to mess it up). But in the end, I think we need to control our impact on the environment as a responsibility for being the sentient species of the Earth. I think we should care more about actively preserving habitats than about speculating and theorizing about climate change.
What's your opinion tho op?

climate has been changing since day 1

I don't think anybody denies that. What they deny is that whether humans are significantly responsible for it or not.

lmao at posting a william happer video

dude is the scientific equivalent of IG models getting shat on by sheikhs in ***** LMAO

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...limate-science****ing lawl

Denigrates a scientist he disagrees with, then posts a link to "The GUARDIAN" as a rebuttal source.

legit don't give phuk.

and? it's been reported on multiple news outlets.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/sc...arch.html?_r=0
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/2-us-climat...-sting-1532442
http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015...fuel-interests

etc etc lmao you got bodied son

Proceeds to post more liberal rags as "sources".

Please, tell us more.

ding ding ding


believes in climate change but doesnt care crew

2016 was the hottest year on record you stupid fukk

feel free to post YOUR source which accurately details how the information was refuted

go on....lol...waiting

and we all know how liberal the international business times is, ****ing lawl

There is literally zero proof that climate change through the direct input of man exists. the earth does in fact go through stages of cooling and heating naturally though.

for one thing, it's absolutely unstoppable. just lol @ thinking we're gonna convince china to go green.

i don't give a fukk about co2 but cutting down on all of the other toxic chit that comes from energy inefficiency is awesome.

moar funding $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

if they all turned around tomorrow and said woop we phucked up, actually nothing to worry about. Do you think they would still be handed billions and billions of dollars?

So 2 climate skeptics were tied to oil, ergo climate change = real.

Just lol @ you.

Who cares?

scientists are making billions and billions for saying climate change is real?

get out of here, you could say this about anything.

brb they say cancer is complicated to get more funding

brb anything that needs funding is just to get more funding


These people are looking at the data which says we are fuking over the planet, and the only people denying it have vested interests like Oil companies and their lobbyists

I don't believe in MAN-MADE global warming. I believe the earth is going through a natural warming period, from the last mini ice age.

This is how I see it, people claim that the earth is warming due to excess CO2 being released into the atmosphere from our doing. But here is my problem with that, before and during WW2, our CO2 production was the highest in human history, the parts per million of CO2 in the air was far greater than then it is now. But the temps were cooler back then?

IMO climate change is just a buzz word used by politicians to sway voters.

LOL at posting a graph spanning 2000 years for a planet with a lifespan of 4.5 billion years and asking about breaking of trends.

Not sure if serious m8

I'm only using my own brain's logic here, so to anyone that wants to argue with me, keep in mind that I'll be happy to consider what you may have to say.


But the industries that started pumping green house gasses into the atmosphere have only been around for, what, 200 years or so? I know the industrial age was in the 1700's but I don't think they had what it takes to burn coal enough to affect anything.

Industrial age might contribute a sliver to the graph.

Ok, if we can see a drastic change in the past 200 years, then yeah I get that.



But look.
10K years ago....wtf? It's a stupid thing to bring up.
No difference between 10K and 5K years ago, and if there was a difference there, then we can see that it's no big deal, right?

If you're looking for a serious answer from an educated person on the other side.





No one with a brain is denying that climate is changing but this will give you insight into what you're looking for