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Originally Posted By MuckSnapper⏩
This is a massive fallacy and seriously irrelevant to the conversation.
yes, questioning things is so irrelevant to a scientific discussion
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
this doesn't necessarily matter. If it's the man made contribution thats pushing the system into meltdown mode, we should stop it.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...iny-to-matter/
Man produces 35-40 billion tons. The earth naturally produces about a Trillion tons.

Throw in the sun, ocean currents, earth wobble, earth tilt, earth rotation, the earths core, tectonics, space radiation, the moon, etc, etc, ..... how the heck could anyone with any certainty say, "Yup... its definitely man made."
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
yes, questioning things is so irrelevant to a scientific discussion
You're questioning their knowledge of scientists' names as if that changes the data in any way, shape, or form.


If 97 out of 100 credible food employees told you a certain item contained peanuts.. would you need to know any of their names to use them as a source?


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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Man produces 35-40 billion tons. The earth naturally produces about a Trillion tons.

Throw in the sun, ocean currents, earth wobble, earth tilt, earth rotation, the earths core, tectonics, space radiation, the moon, etc, etc, ..... how the heck could anyone with any certainty say, "Yup... its definitely man made."
the sauce I CITED explains that CO2 levels only started spiking once man took over. Before that, levels were balanced by absorption of CO2. HERP DERP
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Originally Posted By MuckSnapper⏩
You're questioning their knowledge of scientists' names as if that changes the data in any way, shape, or form.


If 97 out of 100 credible food employees told you a certain item contained peanuts.. would you need to know any of their names to use them as a source?


You're not making any sense. Stay on topic.
No im questioning their ability to process information critically

if I had a peanut allergy and 97/100 food employees told me the food has no peanuts, i'd still check to see if there were peanuts

these are big claims people are making without actually understanding wtf they're talking about, instead they just use talking points they heard from TV
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
No im questioning their ability to process information critically

if I had a peanut allergy and 97/100 food employees told me the food has no peanuts, i'd still check to see if there were peanuts

these are big claims people are making without actually understanding wtf they're talking about, instead they just use talking points they heard from TV
You asked if they knew their names


And the scientists who are calculated into the 97% are accredited fora reason.So that isn't the argument.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Man produces 35-40 billion tons. The earth naturally produces about a Trillion tons.

Throw in the sun, ocean currents, earth wobble, earth tilt, earth rotation, the earths core, tectonics, space radiation, the moon, etc, etc, ..... how the heck could anyone with any certainty say, "Yup... its definitely man made."
the science explains it if you would bother to read it instead of declaring it fake.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Man produces 35-40 billion tons. The earth naturally produces about a Trillion tons.

Throw in the sun, ocean currents, earth wobble, earth tilt, earth rotation, the earths core, tectonics, space radiation, the moon, etc, etc, ..... how the heck could anyone with any certainty say, "Yup... its definitely man made."
You seem to be not understand the fact that the Earth has a natural cycle which is not adjusted to additional inputs. The Earth is a system that is used to for example a 1L input and a 1L output, humans are adding 30ML in every year, that doesn't magically mean the Earth has the ability to deal with a consistent increase into the system, year after year, not just a one off event.

I'd challenge you to actually read the 4 papers I linked to you in regards to the Sun's effects. To read any of the core IPCC's reports on Climate Change. And if you can pick falts in methodology etc that's fantastic and we can actually have an intelligent discussion. But as it stands, this thread is one clusterfuk of retardation. I guess the Ozone layer as well was all a big liberal hoax?
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Originally Posted By MuckSnapper⏩
You asked if they knew their names


And the scientists who are calculated into the 97% are accredited fora reason.So that isn't the argument.
clearly you're missing the point

the question about names is irrelevant, change it to "name a single study and all of its details"

9/10 people I talk to about climate change could not do that, so why the hell should i take them seriously?
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
the sauce I CITED explains that CO2 levels only started spiking once man took over. Before that, levels were balanced by absorption of CO2. HERP DERP
Correlation is not causality.
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
No im questioning their ability to process information critically

if I had a peanut allergy and 97/100 food employees told me the food has no peanuts, i'd still check to see if there were peanuts

these are big claims people are making without actually understanding wtf they're talking about, instead they just use talking points they heard from TV
science is hard to understand for people that dont study the specific topic. We need to trust experts instead of declaring it fake, stop with the conspiracy theories that dont even make sense.


the only theory that makes sense is climate deniers backed by oil companies that dont want to go out of business, which is exactly what happens
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
clearly you're missing the point

the question about names is irrelevant, change it to "name a single study and all of its details"

9/10 people I talk to about climate change could not do that, so why the hell should i take them seriously?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Correlation is not causality.
There is no possible way to totally prove it, because we cant control for all possible factors in the environment but this is pretty convincing to me. If CO2 levels only started changing when humans started burning fossil fuels herp derp it's probably worth fixing.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
It can,but nothing that has occured with the Sun explains the changes in climate seen.

4 of the most respected studies on it:
http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.o.../464/2094/1367
http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.o.../464/2094/1387
http://www.geo.umass.edu/faculty/bradley/lean1995.pdf
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun...09RG000282.pdf
and yet somehow 40 billion tons of emissions compared to the earths natural 1 Trillion tons is considered proof in the scientific community?


Side note:

When i was doing research i came across a government website that said that mankind produces far more emissions than nature and listed the volcanic emissions which are about the tiniest emissions mother nature does (ocean the largest). It didn't mention the ocean, decomposition, etc at all... and then blatantly says something like, "...Any argument that nature does more than man is fictitious".

That level of bias and misinformation on a .gov website is ridiculous. Makes it really hard to take anything from the sources seriously when you see stuff like that.
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
9/10 people I talk to about climate change could not do that, so why the hell should i take them seriously?
because 9/10 scientists will tell you the same thing. Trust the experts you morons and stop believing the corrupt oil companies
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
science is hard to understand for people that dont study the specific topic. We need to trust experts instead of declaring it fake, stop with the conspiracy theories that dont even make sense.

the only theory that makes sense is climate deniers backed by oil companies that dont want to go out of business, which is exactly what happens
you think this is the first time in history that a consensus has been wrong?
you think experts should be blindly trusted?
nothing i said is a conspiracy theory, i didn't even deny climate change once
Originally Posted By MuckSnapper⏩
Well then next time..ask it that way.
i will!
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Well it has only been cold in Florida for like 3-5 days so far since October and they are never back to back. Not even cold to warrant a windbreaker or sweater. It was super hot yesterday.


When I was a child, it would remain cold for a week or more starting in October. People would actually wear pants and sweaters and still be cold. We had icicles then....


That is scary to me. No need to be a scientist....


I am sure all other born and raised floboys will confirm this. You can't really rely on northerners to answer this.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
and yet somehow 40 billion tons of emissions compared to the earths natural 1 Trillion tons is considered proof in the scientific community?


Side note:

When i was doing research i came across a government website that said that mankind produces far more emissions than nature and listed the volcanic emissions which are about the tiniest emissions mother nature does (ocean the largest). It didn't mention the ocean, decomposition, etc at all... and then blatantly says something like, "...Any argument that nature does more than man is fictitious".

That level of bias and misinformation on a .gov website is ridiculous. Makes it really hard to take anything from the sources seriously when you see stuff like that.
No, that isn't the proof. Have you ever even read an IPCC report into Climate Change? If not, that's like me trying to claim gravity isn't real without having read Newton's work. It's far more than just seeing a corrolation between CO2 and temp and declaring it a factor.

Like I said, if you can give me papers, flaws in methodology of existing reputable papers that put forward the idea of human caused climate change, I would happily debate them. But there is nothing like that in this thread.
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
you think this is the first time in history that a consensus has been wrong?
you think experts should be blindly trusted?
nothing i said is a conspiracy theory, i didn't even deny climate change once
Of course a consensus can be wrong. I just haven't seen anyone in this thread or anywhere generally go. "This is wrong, here are the papers that I disagree with, here are their flaws, here is my own evidence to back up my claim."
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
you think this is the first time in history that a consensus has been wrong?
you think experts should be blindly trusted?
nothing i said is a conspiracy theory, i didn't even deny climate change once
Not blindly trusted, there's TONS of information out there just saying the average moron probably cant actually explain it well.
Consensues can be wrong, but these people have evidence and no reason to lie. The only deniers have a motive.
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Originally Posted By Adnim⏩
If you knew anything about how that bogus 97% was "calculated", then you would know some names.
Whether or notI knowthose names is irrelevant.


But by all means, please elaborate on "how they're calculated". I'm seriously wide open in this thread (so as long as a huge fallacy of argument isn't being commited, ie cashinout)
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
You seem to be not understand the fact that the Earth has a natural cycle which is not adjusted to additional inputs. The Earth is a system that is used to for example a 1L input and a 1L output, humans are adding 30ML in every year, that doesn't magically mean the Earth has the ability to deal with a consistent increase into the system, year after year, not just a one off event.

I'd challenge you to actually read the 4 papers I linked to you in regards to the Sun's effects. To read any of the core IPCC's reports on Climate Change. And if you can pick falts in methodology etc that's fantastic and we can actually have an intelligent discussion. But as it stands, this thread is one clusterfuk of retardation. I guess the Ozone layer as well was all a big liberal hoax?
You cannot define earth as 1L in = 1L out therefore equals X... and call it a day. I've seen that argument before and it is mind boggling to me that they can get away with that. You're talking about a system with an almost infinite amount of variables which could be effecting temperature.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
The only deniers have a motive.
Yeah, my motive is I don't want to pay carbon taxes based on a bull**** narrative being pedaled by a certain political ideology.
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Originally Posted By Adnim⏩
I already answered that ITT.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
You cannot define earth as 1L in = 1L out therefore equals X... and call it a day. I've seen that argument before and it is mind boggling to me that they can get away with that. You're talking about a system with an almost infinite amount of variables which could be effecting temperature.
Lol, I am not trying to get away with anything. All my evidence is backed up in papers from Nature, the Royal Society and the IPCC amongst others. I used a simple anaology because nothing in this thread has lead to me suggest if I started spouting studies etc people would even read them. So why don't you give me some studies if I am so hilariously wrong?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Yeah, my motive is I don't want to pay carbon taxes based on a bull**** narrative being pedaled by a certain political ideology.
You act like carbon tax is the only solution being offered. These same people are encouraging basic common sense efforts to change our lifestyle and become more "green" too.

If not for the carbon tax , you would believe in climate change?
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
You act like carbon tax is the only solution being offered. These same people are encouraging basic common sense efforts to change our lifestyle and become more "green" too.

If not for the carbon tax , you would believe in climate change?
I'd be more open to the idea if A) The carbon credit thing went away, B) The left wasn't pushing it so hard, and C) Questioning it/denying it wasn't treated as a blasphemous offense against some kind of God.
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
no your logic sucks

i haven't even taken a stance, all i've done is push back a little bit to see how tards who blindly follow everything react

the fact that you think a 97% consensus on anything shouldn't be questioned means you don't actually understand science
I don't think you understand what "scientific consensus" means, either. How is it possible for a man to know so little?

If a topic is agreed upon by 97% of a scientific community, there's a good chance that it's true. Anyone with common sense can see that.

They're not just making chit up. This is all backed by scientific data.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
Not blindly trusted, there's TONS of information out there just saying the average moron probably cant actually explain it well.
Consensues can be wrong, but these people have evidence and no reason to lie. The only deniers have a motive.
the thing is, i don't think most people who have a problem with climate change actually deny it's existence, they are more against the political agenda that comes along with it

when people blindly follow things and don't allow any discourse, then governments are free to do as they please

fact is, government is not going to fix climate change, they can barely fix the roads

it's up to scientists, the people and the free market
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