US_Ranger, thanks for the updates.

One question, brah. You say that you didn't smash her the first time you were together because you're not into one night stands.

Well I am like that too with the girls I really care about. Or interested in. Like to take things slow.

Thing is, I think that this has somewhat backfired on me in some occasions.

Sometimes, the girl will become distant or whatever in the next days for whatever reason, and in the end you get that feeling that she was a bitch towards you and you acted like a naive guy. And you didn't even smash her, so you don't even have that consolation price.

Or maybe the girl - if she's insecure - will think that maybe you're not attacted that much too her.

I can totally get what you mean by acting like that. But I feel that in thoses cases the feels for the grl play against me.

Could you please discuss this?

Take care.

It has "backfired" on me as well, but when you think about it it really isn't backfiring. A lot of us don't want a girl we can easily smash on date 1. So if they catch feelings about not catching a dick on date 1, they probably aren't what we are truly looking for in the first place. And if they are going to go distant and play games about it, it just further validates our decision to avoid them in the future.

That's my philosophy.

exactly

don't change your moral values, standards and beliefs for anyone or to get anyone...the only way they should change is to make them better, they should never be dropped.

Awesome replies. Cleared my mind on it. You are right. Thanks.

What up everyone.

I hope all you guys/girls are in good spirits and had a decent holiday. I took off to the mountains to see a friend for Christmas and get away from everything. Airport fck up had the flight overbooked and people were losing their **** on Christmas eve. I volunteered my spot to take a flight whenever they could fit me in and they ended up giving a 1,000 dollar travel voucher for it! And they booked me 1st class to a different city that same day. Not bad, all because I was calm and not losing my mind at the ticket counter.

Spent a few days rock climbing, doing yoga, lifting like a mad-man. I'm now doing yoga every day (strong no homo) in order to try and mitigate some of my past injuries (fractured spine, all sorts of other **** I won't mention) and so far, so good. I'm back to the grind as of Wednesday and back to the dating game as well.

Soooo:

UPDATE:

-Still talking to waitress chick (21 year old) that I got a number from when she slipped me a coaster with her digits at the restaurant
-She really likes me and wants to spend time with me constantly
-She has some sort of past (I won't mention here) and now it's starting to make sense how she views sex and intimacy
-It's a big turn-off to me and I don't see this going anywhere
-She constantly tells me how she loves being positive, happy, etc (and I believe her) but I think she's coping for the past she told me about
-I feel really bad because she's a good person and I like being around her, I just don't have chemistry with her and I have an entirely different view of sex/intimacy
-Example: She's all about getting off as much as possible during sex and I'm all about building a slow rhythm up with passion, etc. She constantly just wants to get on top until she can get herself off over and over
-So with her I'm being a complete bitch and not breaking it off with her because I don't want to hurt her feelings and, selfishly, I like being around her. I'm just careful to not get her hopes up



-I went and saw that 19 year old
-I've never been hit with so much back and forth as I was with her
-I want you, we can't do this, fck me, wait don't, I want you so bad, this is a bad idea, I want you
-After talking for awhile, we ended up banging and things seem better now
-She's out of town until this weekend and then I'm supposed to see her so I've only seen her twice now
-She texts me and tells me she misses me and all that but I'm suuuuuuuuuuuper careful over text because she can go cold in the matter of seconds if she even so much suspects that I meant something even if I didn't
-She also wants to be exclusive with me (fwb status even though she's only been with 1 guy before) but I told her (smartly) we're going to talk about that in person and not over text
-Walking on thin ice with this one



So yeah, a string of 30+ rejections and now 2 of the most attractive ones out of the entire last 5 months are all about me. Weird turn of events. It's nice to not have my luck continue, especially after some of the stories you guys read from here...the nurse one probably being the worst. Seriously, what in the fck....

I'm still planning on asking out more women because I don't see either of these 2 lasting even though they both really like me. (in before age 19 and 21) It sucks meeting women my age because I'm so goddamn sick of being asked about money and children. Fck off with that already. It's not my fault you've been riding cawk the last 10 years and now you want to settle down.

I hope you guys are doing well, missed you fckers. (srs) (slight homo)

Glad you had fun man and yeah women at that age are fuking lunatics. Can't even take them seriously.

Especially if you looking for a gf, you should be escalating to try and smash on date 1 without coming on too strong so you can rule out if she is a sl00t (while being mindful that you still ain't home safe even if she doesn't put out on date 1). Yes it is a double standard, but I also know how I behave in the context of an exclusive relationship.

**** man, i never really thought sex issues would come up and ruin **** for me.


but a girl that puts pressure on sex ****ing sucks. takes all the fun out of sex. i had it happen and i started getting ED due to it

If she puts out on date 2 is she still considered a sloot?

Details on banging 19 y/o. Did you clap dem cheeks good? Like where you can really hear those cheeks clappin? Rawdawg it? How long did you last? How was the bust? Bust on her face?
Details bro!

I'd say no.

To play Devil's Advocate, I'd say... yes. But I have very conservative views, and I am extremely old fashioned. If I'm sexist, anti-feminist, and hypocritical, then so be it, my standards won't be compromised. But I digress. What do you think, rawdawgg, what's your opinion?

Tightest chick I've ever been with (srs) Fcking crazy. Definitely did NOT rawdawgg. (strong username btw) I don't know how you guys do that ****, I don't want kids. How long did I last? Not long enough with that tight little thing. Jesus. Did well though and she's all about me so yeah. Busted in condom.

I also agree with this. 2nd date is alright for me at least, depends on who of course and what the circumstances are. I usually avoid anything on the 1st date although I've done it before and actually dated a couple women who were great.yeah, I'm noticing this more and more. Women my age are an almost automatic no-go for dating. If they don't already have kids, they want them in the next 6 months. I'm paranoid about holes in the condom or something when that kind of attitude comes up. I don't even smash, I just walk away.

I guess I'll have to date younger or find that unicorn (lol) that isn't all about white picket fences, kids and a fairy-tale life.

Good point. I should have followed this long ago.

If you think that 19 yo has been only with one other guy, I got bad news.

Nah dude, she's serious. I can tell by physiology, by how she acts, by her lack of experience with the entire situation and so on.

You all are fuccking nuts. You would consider a girl potentially be your wife and mother of your future children who will suck your dink and let you go balls deep after spending a couple of hours with you? GTFO.

Lucky then. I dated a young girl as well who said the same thing but found out wasn't true at all.

He can read the young ones but not the older ones... lol right.

They're all sloots in my opinion. Some just to a lesser degree.

Inb4 neg train.

Who is paying for these dates? I hope not you. Plus the reason why you get blown off a lot/Stood up (from what I read) is because you were putting in all of the effort in talking to them/setting stuff up. That's their job; your job is to be awesome, look awesome and do awesome things; if your doing it right biches will come to you (Think of the legendary Zyzz or any guy you know that bags a lot of ho's- Did he "cold approach biches" or did they come to him?)

I've learned the true secret of dating women: Make them put in all of the effort to date you (IE You're the prize) and once they do use them for their $ first and whatever else you can second. Once they are interested in you they will make it obvious and thats when you start using them. If they dont show interested dont try to force it or create it; thats what gets guys stood up.

Also you shouldn't have to pay for anything, EVER. Any girl who actually likes you, and isnt trying to use/play you, wont have a problem buying you stuff/footing the bills. And if she cant get with the program drop her like a bag of hot potatoes.

Dont "cold approach" anyone just live your life and go after the things you want; bitches will see that and show up to be with you and once they show interest FIRST (IE they approach you and strike up a personal conversation) thats when you reciprocate and get them to be your slave.

Mindset should be your the chief, they're the indian. Treat them as such.

You like to troll my threads a lot. I'm guessing I struck a nerve?

It's pretty easy to tell when someone is completely inexperienced with men or not. Maybe it's difficult if you're autistic (are you autistic?) but for the rest of us it's not an issue. I've also been conned plenty of times by horrible women in the past so I'm hyper-aware of their bull****. Sure I still get screwed over from time to time by the bold lies but that's true for anyone in any situation.Lmao, sounds like an autistic self-help book.

Just sit back and let the bitches come to you!

Doesn't work like that in real life bro. I'm in a 95% male dominated field, I do sports that are 95% male dominated and I can't bring myself to be the typical meat-head douchebag in the gym that taps women on the shoulder so they take their headphones out and I can flirt with them. I'm there to work my ass off.

Plus my yoga class (no homo) doesn't have many hot women there. The ones that are attractive are generally too busy with their nose up in the air and their yoga appearance to bother with the plebs like me sweating and holding crow pose for 30+ seconds.

But yeah, let me wear tiny zyzz shorts, take a bunch of clen and get super ripped, pop viagra, hang out in the suana and bang trashy women. Cool story bro.

LOL this never would work with me and most women I know. Back when I was dating, even guys half my age would pay for the first date and then I offered to pay the second date out of common courtesy.

There are too many White Knights and Orbiters around attractive women these days. Why should she pay for a dude when she has a gazillion other dudes offering to pay and chasing her?

UPDATE:

-Still seeing 19 year old
-Still seeing 21 year old
-Both really really like me and want to date me long term
-I don't want to date either of them long term and see very little in common with either of them
-Sex is amazing though and they aren't annoying so it's not bad hanging out with them
-I feel like a piece of **** though because I guess I'm leading them on even though I told both of them I didn't want a relationship
-Not sure how long this is going to last but I guess I'm enjoying it while it lasts
-September to December was some of the worst dating history I've had in my life (probably THE worst to be honest) and now I'm getting approached by women and even getting smiles and eye fcking from chicks in random places




I guess we'll see how it goes. If any of you guys have words of wisdom on how to handle seeing two women, please let me know. It's not how I operate but both of them told me they're basically all about me in the span of 2 days so I didn't have time to even grasp what the hell was going on.

It kind of warms my heart that you feel guilty about that sort of stuff because it makes me believe that there are people that truly believe in monogamy nowadays.

In all honesty I've tended to let the girl bring up the "what are we" sort of talk. Though I've had it with younger girls that they want one thing and retract back on it. You and I know women around our age want a serious commitment and timeline.

I could see you cutting things off because you want to be transparent as possible in terms of what you want. You also may shortchange yourself because you're tied up with two women you don't see yourself with and Ms. US_Ranger may be out there for you.

You can at least learn from the experience. It seems to bring your confidence up right now for the time being and it is much needed after some of the dates you had the past few months.

You just never know these days IMO. It makes me howl though when they throw down after a few dates and then say "I was not expecting/banking on this happening" yet has freshly shaved landing strip lol.

Glad you are at least having fun with these 2 girls even though it may be short term. Your latest dates have seemed terrible and you needed the pick-me-up. I'm sure the current looks you are getting are cause you have some pep in your step. The girls sense that. Hoping that helps you on your quest to find the right one.

We both had AWFUL streaks and things are starting to neutralize lately so that's good. As far as dating two girls, I'd say this is the best piece of advice regarding managing that:

Don't make a decision with either one until you absolutely have to.

He already has to make a decision, like in yesterday. They want a rs, he doesn't. And he needs to tell them this repeatedly or break it off with them (best solution).

It's very low to wait for the one with deeper, stronger feelings for you to break themselves away from you, so you don't have to put an end yourself and so you can exploit them and the whole situation as long as possible.

OP needs to be better than that asap. Especially when dealing with young people, who are not even fully mature yet, hence even more vulnerable.