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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
This all helps my argument, all these things serve to help dna be copied. SrsWe can directly manipulate our brain and our bodies. By consciously thinking about it we can slow our heart rate, calm anxiety, turn sadness into happiness, and hundreds of other things animals can't.
You make it seem like we have no choice and that we are bound by instinct and evolution... as if we are slaves to a bunch of random chemicals and atoms bouncing around in our bodies. It used to be thought that the 4 minute mile was impossible... then someone who believed it wasn't broke that barrier. Was it always in his DNA or did he shape reality to his vision? There is strong evidence that bacteria can almost consciously adapt its DNA to environmental changes. There is even stronger evidence that humans can shape their DNA just by thinking about it... willing it to happen... creating our own perceived stimuli about the reality around us.
You make it seem like we have no choice and that we are bound by instinct and evolution... as if we are slaves to a bunch of random chemicals and atoms bouncing around in our bodies. It used to be thought that the 4 minute mile was impossible... then someone who believed it wasn't broke that barrier. Was it always in his DNA or did he shape reality to his vision? There is strong evidence that bacteria can almost consciously adapt its DNA to environmental changes. There is even stronger evidence that humans can shape their DNA just by thinking about it... willing it to happen... creating our own perceived stimuli about the reality around us.
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Originally Posted By ironicinori⏩
damn bro now you just mind ****ed me lolAre you sure it's not your ego bitching at you that you have mental health problems, when you're actually fine? Are you able to let your doubts (ego) go, just sit and be grateful for how fukking insanely amazing being alive in this universe is? Genuinely wondering.
Also, problem solving and striving for success is not something you can thank your ego for. You can do that chit while being humble and loving life without cynicism, self doubt and harming others.
Best of luck brahs.
Also, problem solving and striving for success is not something you can thank your ego for. You can do that chit while being humble and loving life without cynicism, self doubt and harming others.
Best of luck brahs.
perhaps my ego is actually too big and it's driving me crazy. o lawd i dont even..
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Elephants have no more painted a thing than human has trained a dog to do tricks. Recognizing yourself in a mirror is not the defacto standard of awareness. You'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that Leonardo da Vinci painted the last supper to continue his genetic line considering he never married or had children.Wrong. Elephants have painted stuff, and are able to recognise themselves in a mirror - hence are self aware, so are other animals.
Certain birds build elaborate displays of items to impress potential mates, who is to say art it any more than that?
Many animals have been shown to have culture they pass down through generations also.
Also other animals can envision and make tools, just because they are less complicated does not make them any less relevant.The conceptual step between using hands and using a rock is much bigger than the step between using a rock and a hammer.
Just because we can do these things does not make them any more than a way to more reliably continue out genetic lines.
Certain birds build elaborate displays of items to impress potential mates, who is to say art it any more than that?
Many animals have been shown to have culture they pass down through generations also.
Also other animals can envision and make tools, just because they are less complicated does not make them any less relevant.The conceptual step between using hands and using a rock is much bigger than the step between using a rock and a hammer.
Just because we can do these things does not make them any more than a way to more reliably continue out genetic lines.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Lmao it has been shown that if someone has very different opinions from you, debating will most likely just further both of your origional opinions soo yaaElephants have no more painted a thing than human has trained a dog to do tricks. Recognizing yourself in a mirror is not the defacto standard of awareness. You'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that Leonardo da Vinci painted the last supper to continue his genetic line considering he never married or had children.
Anyways davinci painted for money.
And I never once said the actions taken would directly lead to children, just that everything we do is based on innate desires which serve to increase the likelihood of having surviving children.
Just because someone does not have children does not mean they are not motivated to do things that, if they had children would improve their chances of survival.
Anyways there are no solid rules in psychology/anthropology so there is always exceptions.
Also I feel like you are strawmaning by only looking at the most basic level of what I'm saying
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
No, you explicitly stated multiple times that we have no direct control and that we are slaves to biology. Yet, incidents like the Jonestown Massacre where hundreds of people committed suicide overrides any biological or evolutionary norm that you can present. Priest, Monks, and Nuns routinely choose celibacy over sexual relations ... that does nothing to further DNA replication.This all helps my argument, all these things serve to help dna be copied. Srs
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
I never said you have no control, but in the end the result is the same, everything you do is based on reproduction - or a reward system in place to increase the likelihood of.No, you explicitly stated multiple times that we have no direct control and that we are slaves to biology. Yet, incidents like the Jonestown Massacre where hundreds of people committed suicide overrides any biological or evolutionary norm that you can present. Priest, Monks, and Nuns routinely choose celibacy over sexual relations ... that does nothing to further DNA replication.
Stop thinking about the actions of individuals and think about the cumulative effects of groups of people acting specific ways for extended periods of time.
A 1% difference in base survival rate of a group compounded over thousands of generation has an enormous effect overall, but one person's actions mean essentially nothing in comparison.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Your view point has so many holes and you keep reframing and stretching your base to accommodate everything. You just said:Lmao it has been shown that if someone has very different opinions from you, debating will most likely just further both of your origional opinions soo yaa
Anyways davinci painted for money.
And I never once said the actions taken would directly lead to children, just that everything we do is based on innate desires which serve to increase the likelihood of having surviving children.
Just because someone does not have children does not mean they are not motivated to do things that, if they had children would improve their chances of survival.
Anyways there are no solid rules in psychology/anthropology so there is always exceptions.
Also I feel like you are strawmaning by only looking at the most basic level of what I'm saying
Anyways davinci painted for money.
And I never once said the actions taken would directly lead to children, just that everything we do is based on innate desires which serve to increase the likelihood of having surviving children.
Just because someone does not have children does not mean they are not motivated to do things that, if they had children would improve their chances of survival.
Anyways there are no solid rules in psychology/anthropology so there is always exceptions.
Also I feel like you are strawmaning by only looking at the most basic level of what I'm saying
"Just because someone does not have children does not mean they are not motivated to do things that, if they had children would improve their chances of survival."
You originally went from DNA replication... then to an individuals chances of survival. On that point alone your broadening your base to fit your paradigm. Historically Da Vinci was likely homosexual and was accused of sodomy which is punishable by death in his time. Those choices don't even improve individual chances of survival ... and it certainly does nothing to replicate DNA.
You act so fervent in your view point and then you say there are no solid rules...
And I never once said the actions taken would directly lead to children, just that everything we do is based oninnate desires which serve to increase the likelihood of having surviving children
Committing suicide does no increase likelihood of having children. Taking a ride on a rocket to the moon doesn't increase the likelihood of having children. I can come up with hundreds of things that do not serve DNA replication and that also when compared to the animal kingdom are completely irrational to self-preservation."There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle." -Gym Jones
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
You said earlier:I never said you have no control, but in the end the result is the same, everything you do is based on reproduction - or a reward system in place to increase the likelihood of.
3)the manipulation of brain systems is not direct- look at porn, social media, problem solving games, all replace certain base needs with technology, this was not possible than
Are you retracting that?Stop thinking about the actions of individuals andthink about the cumulative effects of groups of people acting specific ways for extended periods of time.
A 1% difference in base survival rate of a group compounded over thousands of generation has an enormous effect overall, but one person's actions mean essentially nothing in comparison.
You're changing your base again.A 1% difference in base survival rate of a group compounded over thousands of generation has an enormous effect overall, but one person's actions mean essentially nothing in comparison.
By some estimates the death toll of WW2 was over 100 million people (5% of world population at the time). Other species are known to kill within their own species but humans do it to an extent that is beyond what is considered a reasonable evolutionary advantage.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Remember when I said that I may seeminly contradict myself because I'm typing on my phone? Ya that's that.Your view point has so many holes and you keep reframing and stretching your base to accommodate everything. You just said:
"Just because someone does not have children does not mean they are not motivated to do things that, if they had children would improve their chances of survival."
You originally went from DNA replication... then to an individuals chances of survival. On that point alone your broadening your base to fit your paradigm. Historically Da Vinci was likely homosexual and was accused of sodomy which is punishable by death in his time. Those choices don't even improve individual chances of survival ... and it certainly does nothing to replicate DNA.
You act so fervent in your view point and then you say there are no solid rules...
And I never once said the actions taken would directly lead to children, just that everything we do is based oninnate desires which serve to increase the likelihood of having surviving children
Committing suicide does no increase likelihood of having children. Taking a ride on a rocket to the moon doesn't increase the likelihood of having children. I can come up with hundreds of things that do not serve DNA replication and that also when compared to the animal kingdom are completely irrational to self-preservation.
"Just because someone does not have children does not mean they are not motivated to do things that, if they had children would improve their chances of survival."
You originally went from DNA replication... then to an individuals chances of survival. On that point alone your broadening your base to fit your paradigm. Historically Da Vinci was likely homosexual and was accused of sodomy which is punishable by death in his time. Those choices don't even improve individual chances of survival ... and it certainly does nothing to replicate DNA.
You act so fervent in your view point and then you say there are no solid rules...
And I never once said the actions taken would directly lead to children, just that everything we do is based oninnate desires which serve to increase the likelihood of having surviving children
Committing suicide does no increase likelihood of having children. Taking a ride on a rocket to the moon doesn't increase the likelihood of having children. I can come up with hundreds of things that do not serve DNA replication and that also when compared to the animal kingdom are completely irrational to self-preservation.
When I said individual I meant their genetic line as I did every time before.
Your view on sexuality is so limited in view I'm not even going to respond srs.
Lmao I'm fervent that this is an overarching theme within 99% of cases. You are so stuck in the microscopic sense.
This is the last thing I'm going to say to you srs, I hope you can extrapolate it to the broader picture and understand.
If 5 men go into the forest, none prepared to die for the others, and 5 other men go into the forest, each prepared to die for the group, which group has the higher chance of survival - however small?
Just because an individual does dies for the froup not mean that the expected probability of his survival is lower than the expected probability of survival of the men who act alone
Now imagine this situation happening millions of times
Apply this to anything that seems to go against individual interests, you will see that mathematically actions that do not seem directly help an individual, still leads to a higher chance of their survival, and as such their children's.
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Didn't read the rest of the thread, but there's a misconception that the ego is seen as a bad thing.
A lot of problems come as a result of ego, but that's not the same as rejecting the ego completely. The ego is a normal part of being human. To try too hard to reject the ego is, in itself, an egoic pursuit.
The way I look at it, from my own personal broscience point of view, the parts of the mind that constitute what we see as the "ego" are essential for survival. They're the programming that drives us to find food, to mate, to protect ourselves, and so on. The part of us that distinguishes us from other animals, the neocortex, is the part that can also potentially somewhat transcend the rest of the mind. Meditation and mindfulness strengthens that part of the brain.
Ego is a part of us, but just like you'd see it as a bad thing to give in to your perfectly natural impulses to just dirty bulk on junk food or give in to your every desire, the same argument can be made for egoic pursuits that are taken too far, like the relentless pursuit of money and power (e.g. Scarface or Wolf of Wall Street, for obvious examples).
A lot of problems come as a result of ego, but that's not the same as rejecting the ego completely. The ego is a normal part of being human. To try too hard to reject the ego is, in itself, an egoic pursuit.
The way I look at it, from my own personal broscience point of view, the parts of the mind that constitute what we see as the "ego" are essential for survival. They're the programming that drives us to find food, to mate, to protect ourselves, and so on. The part of us that distinguishes us from other animals, the neocortex, is the part that can also potentially somewhat transcend the rest of the mind. Meditation and mindfulness strengthens that part of the brain.
Ego is a part of us, but just like you'd see it as a bad thing to give in to your perfectly natural impulses to just dirty bulk on junk food or give in to your every desire, the same argument can be made for egoic pursuits that are taken too far, like the relentless pursuit of money and power (e.g. Scarface or Wolf of Wall Street, for obvious examples).
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
The fist two refer to entirely different things.You said earlier:
Are you retracting that?
You're changing your base again.
Are you retracting that?
You're changing your base again.
One to the specific actions you take on your life which are still geared towards reproduction, the other to mechanisms we use to shortcut reward systems in our brains.
I'm not changing my base. You just don't understand.
But go on thinking you are a special snowflake, I'm out
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
No, you contradict yourself because you're all over the place in your viewpoint and have no firm ground. When you first stated that i gave you some leeway but now its aparrant that the statement goes to the core of this whole thread...Remember when I said that I may seeminly contradict myself because I'm typing on my phone? Ya that's that.
When I said individual I meant their genetic line as I did every time before.
Your view on sexuality is so limited in view I'm not even going to respond srs.
Lmao I'm fervent that this is an overarching theme within 99% of cases. You are so stuck in the microscopic sense.
This is the last thing I'm going to say to you srs, I hope you can extrapolate it to the broader picture and understand.
If 5 men go into the forest, none prepared to die for the others, and 5 other men go into the forest, each prepared to die for the group, which group has the higher chance of survival - however small?
Just because an individual does dies for the froup not mean that the expected probability of his survival is lower than the expected probability of survival of the men who act alone
Now imagine this situation happening millions of times
Apply this to anything that seems to go against individual interests, you will see that mathematically actions that do not seem directly help an individual, still leads to a higher chance of their survival, and as such their children's.
When I said individual I meant their genetic line as I did every time before.
Your view on sexuality is so limited in view I'm not even going to respond srs.
Lmao I'm fervent that this is an overarching theme within 99% of cases. You are so stuck in the microscopic sense.
This is the last thing I'm going to say to you srs, I hope you can extrapolate it to the broader picture and understand.
If 5 men go into the forest, none prepared to die for the others, and 5 other men go into the forest, each prepared to die for the group, which group has the higher chance of survival - however small?
Just because an individual does dies for the froup not mean that the expected probability of his survival is lower than the expected probability of survival of the men who act alone
Now imagine this situation happening millions of times
Apply this to anything that seems to go against individual interests, you will see that mathematically actions that do not seem directly help an individual, still leads to a higher chance of their survival, and as such their children's.
you're protecting your ego. Giving yourself an out to save face and protect your viewpoint despite strong logical arguments against.
Your first non trolling statement on the first page was:
You are actually the most deluded type of people.
The arrogance required to think that you are special or different is so strongly in contradiction to your trumped up stupid idea of "ego death" and you can't tell.
You are literally a DNA replication machine and nothing more.
Get over it.
You spent most of the following posts arguing how individuals and all their mumbo-jumbo are at their core just DNA replication machines. How we aren't in direct control and that we are subservient to our genetic desires and chemical status. Now you've switched to it not being about the individual and about the group (the bigger picture). That also has glaring holes in logic.The arrogance required to think that you are special or different is so strongly in contradiction to your trumped up stupid idea of "ego death" and you can't tell.
You are literally a DNA replication machine and nothing more.
Get over it.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
You really don't get it to you, so you even game theory and basic statistics?No, you contradict yourself because you're all over the place in your viewpoint and have no firm ground. When you first stated that i gave you some leeway but now its aparrant that the statement goes to the core of this whole thread...
you're protecting your ego.
Your first non trolling statement on the first page was:
You spent most of the following post arguing how individuals and all their mumbo-jumbo are at their core just DNA replication machines. Now you've switched to it not being about the individual and about the group (the bigger picture). That also has glaring holes in logic.
you're protecting your ego.
Your first non trolling statement on the first page was:
You spent most of the following post arguing how individuals and all their mumbo-jumbo are at their core just DNA replication machines. Now you've switched to it not being about the individual and about the group (the bigger picture). That also has glaring holes in logic.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
I understand quite clearly. I've contemplated your viewpoint in the past even to the point of free will being an illusion. I ultimately rejected the viewpoint because it is weak.The fist two refer to entirely different things.
One to the specific actions you take on your life which are still geared towards reproduction, the other to mechanisms we use to shortcut reward systems in our brains.
I'm not changing my base.You just don't understand.
But go on thinking you are a special snowflake, I'm out
One to the specific actions you take on your life which are still geared towards reproduction, the other to mechanisms we use to shortcut reward systems in our brains.
I'm not changing my base.You just don't understand.
But go on thinking you are a special snowflake, I'm out
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
I don't know how to explain to you that individuals can exist only to reproduce, but still behave in ways that lead to them personally not reproducing, because these behaviours lead to a greater chance in the baseline probability that they would have reproduced.I understand quite clearly. I've contemplated your viewpoint in the past even to the point of free will being an illusion. I ultimately rejected the viewpoint because it is weak.
I'm not saying you don't have free will, just that everything you desire, you don't desire for any other reason than to help you reproduce.
It's maths, not opinion.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Now you're jumping to game theory? How about we delve into quantum mechanics too... that could produce some interesting holes in your argument.You really don't get it to you, so you even game theory and basic statistics?
This has been fun brah, until next time boyo.
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http://www.nature.com/news/2008/0804....2008.751.htmlYou spent most of the following posts arguing how individuals and all their mumbo-jumbo are at their core just DNA replication machines. How we aren't in direct control and that we are subservient to our genetic desires and chemical status. Now you've switched to it not being about the individual and about the group (the bigger picture). That also has glaring holes in logic.
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something to think about..The work calls into question the βconsciousnessβ of our decisions and may even challenge ideas about how βfreeβ we are to make a choice at a particular point in time.
βWe think our decisions are conscious, but these data show that consciousness is just the tip of the iceberg,β says John-Dylan Haynes, a neuroscientist at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Leipzig, Germany, who led the study.
βThe results are quite dramatic,β says Frank Tong, a neuroscientist at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. Ten seconds is "a lifetimeβ in terms of brain activity, he adds.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Because you can't explain something that has so many logical holes in it.I don't know how to explain to you that individuals can exist only to reproduce, but still behave in ways that lead to them personally not reproducing, because these behaviours lead to a greater chance in the baseline probability that they would have reproduced.
I'm not saying you don't have free will, just that everything you desire, you don't desire for any other reason than to help you reproduce.
It's maths, not opinion.
But let's agree to disagree, will rep of RC, this was fun.
I'm not saying you don't have free will, just that everything you desire, you don't desire for any other reason than to help you reproduce.
It's maths, not opinion.
But let's agree to disagree, will rep of RC, this was fun.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
I would kill myself if I was forced to sit cross-legged in a high ass mountain in the middle of nowhere for more than half a century.FUK those eastern mystics (SRS). We weren't put here to sit cross-legged in silence for 70 years. Those *******s have got it all wrong.
Without ego, we mankind would still be pointless apes.
Without ego, we mankind would still be pointless apes.
Anyways all of this is simply psychology talk. In the end, we are to survive, nothing else. Thanks to technology making lives easier and free of certain diseases, mankind are able to pursue their desires and give quality to life.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
It doesn't. It is mathematically sound.Because you can't explain something that has so many logical holes in it.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
A few points.Ever noticed how most of the people who criticise the ego are unemployed, lazy drug addicts?
Ever noticed how Buddhist Monks who practice an ego-less existence are nothing more than unproductive oxygen thieves?
Our egoes seperate us from garden snails.
Ego is pride
Ego is ambition
Ego is drive
Lack of ego = depression.
Never listen to people who strive to achieve ego death.
Those people are weak and have given up.
Ever noticed how Buddhist Monks who practice an ego-less existence are nothing more than unproductive oxygen thieves?
Our egoes seperate us from garden snails.
Ego is pride
Ego is ambition
Ego is drive
Lack of ego = depression.
Never listen to people who strive to achieve ego death.
Those people are weak and have given up.
First, whatever...
Second, what separates us from garden snails is consciousness, thought, subconscious, unconscious, not ego, ego is a false sense of self, but again, what ever..
Your making a massive generalization. Most of the most successful people make their money then find it unsatisfying and turn to a more spiritual life of less ego. Ken Keyes gave up a life of 35 million dollars for a spiritual life of no ego and found true happiness. Im reading his book now.
Ego has nothing to do with ambition and drive. Not for most western folk. Budhist are different of course.
Ego death have nothing to do with weakness. These people are light years Above you man. Your still a very low conscious person only slightly above an animal.
In the end it depends on how you define ego.
Ego is the cause of all suffering because you always have something to defend and everyone is a threat to your ego. Were all on a path and you my friend have a loooong way to go.
You can still have goals, be successful and have an ego death. Im definitely interested in it.
Lack of ego = true happiness
I most definitely still have an ego and also have a long way to go. This the truth.
At the end of the day, a person with ego lacks self worth/self esteem, feels inferiority and over compensates with an ego to make himself feel better.
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Yes i saw that article a long time ago. There's also been an interesting study (not exactly related to consciousness) that shows people cheated in games will subconsciously figure out something is up long before they consciously do (if they do).We probably know less about the brain that we do the universe (which is basically nothing) so certainty about anything is questionable. Heck we still don't even know what gravity really is.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Stating that humans are just DNA replicating machines is not a statement of mathematics. Good luck proving that viewpoint mathematically if it were. I'd like to see that proof when when you publish it.It doesn't. It is mathematically sound.
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yea i dont think that disproves free will. i think it may alter the definition of "free will" though.Yes i saw that article a long time ago. There's also been an interesting study (not exactly related to consciousness) that shows people cheated in games will subconsciously figure out something is up long before they consciously do (if they do).
We probably know less about the brain that we do the universe (which is basically nothing) so certainty about anything is questionable. Heck we still don't even know what gravity really is.
We probably know less about the brain that we do the universe (which is basically nothing) so certainty about anything is questionable. Heck we still don't even know what gravity really is.
i think that just simply means our brains can get caught up in a certain way/ line of thinking - based off of habits, neural connections, etc.
but that doesn't mean they can't change.
however, i do believe our decisions are made off of a set-system in so far as the "system" is a sort-of-free-will
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Wait a sec are you trolling me?Stating that humans are just DNA replicating machines is not a statement of mathematics. Good luck proving that viewpoint mathematically if it were. I'd like to see that proof when when you publish it.
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Some of the wealthiest and most charismatic people I know irl have the lowest ego and are generally humble, whereas people in the somewhat upper-middle class have the highest ego / arrogance as if they're trying to prove themselves to others. (srs)
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Originally Posted By MegaPump⏩
You are a dude that i'd love to sit around a fire and chat with. Reps.A few points.
First, whatever...
Second, what separates us from garden snails is consciousness, thought, subconscious, unconscious, not ego, ego is a false sense of self, but again, what ever..
Your making a massive generalization. Most of the most successful people make their money then find it unsatisfying and turn to a more spiritual life of less ego. Ken Keyes gave up a life of 35 million dollars for a spiritual life of no ego and found true happiness. Im reading his book now.
Ego has nothing to do with ambition and drive. Not for most western folk. Budhist are different of course.
Ego death have nothing to do with weakness. These people are light years Above you man. Your still a very low conscious person only slightly above an animal.
In the end it depends on how you define ego.
Ego is the cause of all suffering because you always have something to defend and everyone is a threat to your ego. Were all on a path and you my friend have a loooong way to go.
You can still have goals, be successful and have an ego death. Im definitely interested in it.
Lack of ego = true happiness
I most definitely still have an ego and also have a long way to go. This the truth.
At the end of the day, a person with ego lacks self worth/self esteem, feels inferiority and over compensates with an ego to make himself feel better.
First, whatever...
Second, what separates us from garden snails is consciousness, thought, subconscious, unconscious, not ego, ego is a false sense of self, but again, what ever..
Your making a massive generalization. Most of the most successful people make their money then find it unsatisfying and turn to a more spiritual life of less ego. Ken Keyes gave up a life of 35 million dollars for a spiritual life of no ego and found true happiness. Im reading his book now.
Ego has nothing to do with ambition and drive. Not for most western folk. Budhist are different of course.
Ego death have nothing to do with weakness. These people are light years Above you man. Your still a very low conscious person only slightly above an animal.
In the end it depends on how you define ego.
Ego is the cause of all suffering because you always have something to defend and everyone is a threat to your ego. Were all on a path and you my friend have a loooong way to go.
You can still have goals, be successful and have an ego death. Im definitely interested in it.
Lack of ego = true happiness
I most definitely still have an ego and also have a long way to go. This the truth.
At the end of the day, a person with ego lacks self worth/self esteem, feels inferiority and over compensates with an ego to make himself feel better.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Nope, I'm serious. Show me a mathematical proof of how humans are just DNA replicating machines.Wait a sec are you trolling me?
Srs
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
It honestly seems like you are intentionally missing the point.Nope, I'm serious. Show me a mathematical proof of how humans are just DNA replicating machines.
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
I think it just means that decision and awareness/consciousness are not congruent. Which would explain why habits (like you said) are so hard to break.yea i dont think that disproves free will. i think it may alter the definition of "free will" though.
i think that just simply means our brains can get caught up in a certain way/ line of thinking - based off of habits, neural connections, etc.
but that doesn't mean they can't change.
however, i do believe our decisions are made off of a set-system in so far as the "system" is a sort-of-free-will
i think that just simply means our brains can get caught up in a certain way/ line of thinking - based off of habits, neural connections, etc.
but that doesn't mean they can't change.
however, i do believe our decisions are made off of a set-system in so far as the "system" is a sort-of-free-will
I wrote something in my journal not too long ago:
"The duality is real. Sometimes the primal mind is so strong that the conscious mind becomes a casual observer... fully aware but almost helpless to change the script; Like the audience at a movie or play."
If you were to ask me why we are really present in the universe i would say something like, "To learn and transcend our primal being and attain a higher state of clarity."
That other poster keeps talking us being DNA replicating machines. You can see in my signature that I've done some crazy chit. Biology drives us to take the easy path and expend the least amount of energy for the most gain. Hiking 2200 miles and all the stresses involved in that completely contradicts biology. No other species does some of the wacky things humans do in the pursuit of knowledge and clarity.
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