Melis confirmed it's all about the face boyo

yeah they do and it's all about how you carry yourself as awhole... just cause you gain aesthetics, new haircut, clothes, physical traits, etc.. in most cases, if you still have a beta aura going on, no one wants to talk to you... even dudes, for those who complain about making friends

if you genuinely seem confident, cool, etc... it can make you seem more approachable and good looking as well, a common misconception on the misc is that you have to be a 10/10 male to get a girl, no... as long as you're not fukking groce and fugly, you can get girls, even hot girls, there's billions of girls on this planet, stop limiting yourself to 1-2 girls you wish would approach you.. mind blowing huh... but it comes down to how you carry yourself and if you're actually gonna make an effort and approach or if you're gonna cope and tell yourself it's not worth it cause you're a little beta chit ... this is the reason why you see regular dudes with hot gf, and handsome af with normal gf, and so on... as long as you aren't mr. fugly, you meet the requirements to get girls cot dam

and op you always make these chit fa threads, quit feeling sorry for yourself and grow a pair and start approaching, get rid of that 'does she like me' mindset and adopt the 'she's cute, im talking to her' mindset... change is only gonna happen if you actually make an effort and not by trying to get advice from these ******* threads

and to the girl poster somewhere above... gym is the worst approaching place imo, when girls talk to me at the gym or say some random chit, it's the most awkward and annoying time for me... which is why i never really approach in gym unless she's gorgeous or her ass is out of this world... but most times, even if the girl is attractive and wouldn't mind getting to know her, i barely show real interest like i normally would.. im not mean or a dik but gives off the wrong vibe, honestly too much chit going on in the gym to try to flirt and focus on making my lifts for the session

Brb feeling emasculated bc an attractive girl walks up and starts showing interest

Okay, that kind of chit only happens with teenage girls. They're the ones that are very direct. Too bad they're illegal.

Have you actually experienced this in any regularity?

Its not all its cracked up to be

As stated, just because a woman a approaches you...it doesnt mean she is going to drop to her knees and fukk you. The interaction still requires some effort on both parties. However a woman approaching is never a guarantee that she is socially competent, merely that she desires you. I've had plenty of women (especially the drunks) come up to me and expect me to carry the entire conversation.

Adding to this, we're men. Approaching is what we do, we're proactive. When you get hit on it kinda fukks with the dynamic.

It seems like the extent of the girl making an approach is to stand right in front of the guy and smile, but they still expect the guy to talk to them first. I found that's as obvious as they get.

Problem is I don't even know what to say when this happens, then my anxiety acts up and I end up leaving. Then they think I reject them and ignore me comletely afterwards. Wat do?

Went out a few times with both; one I found out was 6 years younger than he claimed (and 6 years younger than me lol) and it didn't go anywhere after that. I think he felt awkward after I pulled him up on it. The other just sort of fizzled out after getting to know eachother a bit more. I can't put my finger on why; I'd say our personalities/interests were very different except for fitness. Same with our senses of humour too. Still talk in the gym, no hard feelings or anything. Didn't smash either, srs.

I do tend to approach too... but if I am approached, I just carry the conversatuon. Fux given: not even one.

You're thinking about it too much man

Yeah, doesnt surprise me.

This is why womenSHOULD NOT APPROACH.

Problem I have with a lot of women, especially those in the gym, is that they have started to buy into the juvenile rubbish that looks account for more than what they do. A woman should not really do much more beyond dropping subtle hints because the kind of man you truly desire will be proactive enough to take the hint. Does not matter if its on the street/the gym/in the club. Its a mentality I see from a lot of English women and testament to why a lot of english men, in general, dont behave in a very attractive manner.

The onus should never be on the woman to make the first move. Merely facilitate interaction. You two attempts did not go anywhere because you had no indication that these were men who were masculine enough to ensure they could close when they needed to even though they were both very interested (if you think they were not then you're only fooling yourself).

This is, ultimately, why women always end up gravitating towards bad boys and the gymcel miscers who think face/leanness/muscles are the be all and end all of a man always end up crying about why women date "below their leagues".

Yeah, doesnt surprise me.

This is why womenSHOULD NOT APPROACH.

Problem I have with a lot of women, especially those in the gym, is that they have started to buy into the juvenile rubbish that looks account for more than what they do. A woman should not really do much more beyond dropping subtle hints because the kind of man you truly desire will be proactive enough to take the hint. Does not matter if its on the street/the gym/in the club. Its a mentality I see from a lot of English women and testament to why a lot of english men, in general, dont behave in a very attractive manner.

The onus should never be on the woman to make the first move. Merely facilitate interaction. You two attempts did not go anywhere because you had no indication that these were men who were masculine enough to ensure they could close when they needed to even though they were both very interested (if you think they were not then you're only fooling yourself).

This is, ultimately, why women always end up gravitating towards bad boys and the gymcel miscers who think face/leanness/muscles are the be all and end all of a man always end up crying about why women date "below their leagues".

don't be fat and look like a burns victim and your good to go provided you're not an autist and can hold a conversation like a normal human.

the misc is absolutely deluded when it comes to thinking what girls want/find attractive

Brb feeling emasculated bc an attractive girl walks up and starts showing interest

I've smashed women who have approached me. She can approach a dude if she wants. You need to chill lol

Melis said that the two guys she approached at the gym were tall, handsome, and muscular.

I've smashed women who have approached me.She can approach a dude if she wants. You need to chill lol

Maybe. But part of my job is to study conversational and social dynamics in order to get better at selling. I meet a lot of guys who have absolutely no trouble getting women to hit on them but still are not dating the kind of women of their calibur. Its often because they rely too much on women hitting on them.

Yeah, doesnt surprise me.

This is why womenSHOULD NOT APPROACH.

Problem I have with a lot of women, especially those in the gym, is that they have started to buy into the juvenile rubbish that looks account for more than what they do. A woman should not really do much more beyond dropping subtle hints because the kind of man you truly desire will be proactive enough to take the hint. Does not matter if its on the street/the gym/in the club. Its a mentality I see from a lot of English women and testament to why a lot of english men, in general, dont behave in a very attractive manner.

The onus should never be on the woman to make the first move. Merely facilitate interaction. You two attempts did not go anywhere because you had no indication that these were men who were masculine enough to ensure they could close when they needed to even though they were both very interested (if you think they were not then you're only fooling yourself).

This is, ultimately, why women always end up gravitating towards bad boys and the gymcel miscers who think face/leanness/muscles are the be all and end all of a man always end up crying about why women date "below their leagues".

I have never had it go anywhere

Typically the ones who approached were not attractive.

The hot girls have always been a subtle, indirect thing

I have to say if it did go.anywhere it would feel like i submitted to her wishes. I was the hunted, not the hunter

Wouldnt want to tell my kids my wife had the balls to approach me, and i wasnt the one to make chit happen

As i said, ive had it happen in a club, and that was just a one night thing, so i dont really care

Its mindblowing the amount of miscers who dont get this

But then this is the same forum where 50% of the posters are virgins
I swear its a simply dynamic which people understood before, now that the joint got overrun with "face!!!!" *******s and slut haters, basic concepts like these are lost on these autists

I have quite a few times

I have studied sociology and psychology too. It's not that big of a deal... and keep in mind, I am pretty old school and prefer to approach.

You are making subjective claims based on what?

Situations are different, people are different, different variables in each circumstance.

You're speaking very generally. It's just not that black and white. There are exceptions... just face it. I would say men are more expected to approach, but there isn't a 100% failure rate if the woman approaches, and as a male who is solid in his identity, it doesn't disturb me or make me feel awkward. I just take the lead in the conversation if she approaches, assuming I find her attractive and interesting.

I duno how this theory ties in to the fact that it didn't go anywhere with either of these guys, the reasons I explained don't necessarily relate to them being masculine enough to have made the first move regardless.

The one I mentioned that I was unsure whether he was interested wasn't one that I'd been so direct with; I just struck up conversation on a couple of occasions with him when he was close by etc.

Interesting insight anyway. In your opinion what's a subtle enough hint for you to know that a woman's interested in you?

I'll just bump into you in a friendly way while you're doing squats, and then you can approach me after that. How's that sound?

I am extremely general in many things and have been proven right quite a few times. I genuinely think that people are nowhere near as unique as they like to think they are and, when they're being honest with themselves, their situations are more straightforward than one likes to think. You're doing it yourself, thinking that "being solid in your masculine identity" means that you wont adhere to gender norms. How is that any different than the feminist who thinks men and women are exactly the same in every way except for the presence of sex organs?

Do women approach and they get smashed? Obviously. But expecting or wanting more of that is foolish for the reasons outlines. Its deeply unnatural for most women and tantamount to complaining that ones girlfriend gets turned off when they're asked to fukk with a strapon.


This is the thing. How can you be unsure that he was interested? I dont really want to gas you up, but look at your profile. Do you genuinely think a red blooded man would turn down the opportunity to fukk you if you asked? He WAS interested, he just didnt know how to express said interest. When considering that you have already gone out of your way to express sexual interest, I would say thats an L on his part. Otherwise, how would you two even had been talking? To be friends???

A subtle interest to me would be a woman even being in my vicinity for an extended period time. In truth I dont even always use that, if I see an attractive woman and she seems approachable then I take my shot. Women in the gym like to sit and pretend they dont want to be hit on (they do, I've slept with a lot of them) and men like to pretend as if they're above talking to other women in the gym.

Melis said that the two guys she approached at the gym were tall, handsome, and muscular.

The only people who say looks don't matter are strangers on the internet who cite distant and obscure acquintances who are marginally below average but have redeeming qualities - "My buddy's cousin's friend is below average (height/ face/ money) but he still gets laid all the time. And so the absolute conclusion that can be drawn is that being below average (height/ face/ money) doesn't make any difference in attraction." What they forgot to mention, is that the 5'6 person has a chad face, or that the one making 25K/ year is 6'3, 200lbs lean and chad face.

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