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post 1483990761 02-17-2017, 03:57 PM
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Buddies dad had an AR-10 and it scarred me tbh. Thing would run in 3 round cycles. insert mag, charge rifle, bang, bang, bang, jam, remove mag, reinsert mag, re charge the rifle, repeat. sent it to a gunsmith and got it back, same thing. Not sure what the issue was, maybe he got it fixed i dont know, but it didnt work the couple of times we went out and after that i always viewed them with a stigma.
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Bit by the "the customer pushed the button so he's the one manufacturing" angle.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-to-41-months/

A Sacramento, California, man was sentenced Thursday to over three years in prison for unlawful manufacture of a firearm and one count of dealing firearms.
Last year, Daniel Crowninshield pleaded guilty to those counts in exchange for federal prosecutors dropping other charges. According to investigators, Crowninshield, known online as "Dr. Death," would sell unfinished AR-15 lower receivers, which customers would then pay for him to transform into fully machined lower receivers using a computer numerically controlled (CNC) mill. (In October 2014, Cody Wilson, of Austin, Texas, who has pioneered 3D-printed guns, began selling a CNC mill called "Ghost Gunner," designed to work specifically on the AR-15 lower.)

"In order to create the pretext that the individual in such a scenario was building his or her own firearm, the skilled machinist would often have the individual press a button or put his or her hands on a piece of machinery so that the individual could claim that the individual, rather than the machinist, made the firearm," the government claimed in its April 14 plea agreement.

Under federal law, it is allowed to manufacture your own firearm (even with a CNC mill), but it is not allowed to do so for others without proper licensing.

In a Thursday statement, Special Agent in Charge Jill A. Snyder, of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, said that Crowninshield "owned and operated a machine shop where he allowed customers with unknown backgrounds to use his machinery to unlawfully manufacture firearms for profit. That activity posed a very dangerous threat to the safety of our communities."
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Originally Posted By omnip0tent⏩
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As for Iron's id go Magpul BUIS if its just a range toy. Could get nicer ones if they tickle ur fancy. ( no need rlly tho)
Originally Posted By GetzzBrah⏩
Ammo is about as cheap as it gets right now, check Sgammo.com. Also, Magpul MBUS flip up sights or MBUS Pro's are gonna be good for what you are looking to do. Although I dont think that Magpul handguard you bought is going to work on the AERO rifle you bought. Your rifle doesn't have a front sight base that the handguard needs. Thats why a few people just told you to get some kind of freefloat handguard, like an Aero
I'll try finding that magpul, I got the M-lok, would I still not be able to use that for the rifle I bought or put a sight on that one? (the aero mid length 16" from brownells).
Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Did you get the SK handguard? That's made for use with the A2 front sight (that triangle towards the front of the gun) which that Aero you posted doesn't have. You need a free floated handguard with a rail on top or something so you can add the front sight post to it. The magpul handguard isn't as good as a free floated handguard anyways.

Longer distance shooting is really fun, you can get a cheap red dot and magnifier for pretty cheap. Don't have to be a sniper but it's fun to shoot chit farther out.
Nope, got the M-lok. what free floated hand guard do you guys suggest?
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Ok, can someone please answer my question about tulammo (whether it's steel primed as well, or just steel cased)
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
You can't mount a front sight to that handguard
I seriously am a noob at this if you couldn't already tell lol Idk what to do
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
I'll try finding that magpul, I got the M-lok, would I still not be able to use that for the rifle I bought or put a sight on that one? (the aero mid length 16" from brownells).


Nope, got the M-lok. what free floated hand guard do you guys suggest?



Ok, can someone please answer my question about tulammo (whether it's steel primed as well, or just steel cased)



I seriously am a noob at this if you couldn't already tell lol Idk what to do
in general indoor ranges do not allow you to shoot tula or wolf, brown bear, or silver bear ammo. I would probably opt for something like pmc brass. Its pretty inexpensive and its legal for use.

http://www.ammoman.com/223-pmc-bronz...grain-fmj-223a
http://www.sgammo.com/product/223-55...fmj-loose-pack
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
Nope, got the M-lok. what free floated hand guard do you guys suggest?
You got an OEM stripped AR, which is definitely not for absolute beginners. I highly suggest getting a free float rail that clamps around the factory barrel nut. Most rails have proprietary barrel nuts which require you to remove the old nut, along with the gas tube and gas block. You have to index and torque everything properly when you put it back together. All assuming you have the proper vise, action block, armorer's wrench, torque wrench, roll pin punch set, experience, patience, etc.

I would recommend the Samson Evolution. Very solid rail. I have the Rainier version on one of my Spike's and it has been great.

http://www.samson-mfg.com/product/KM-Evolution-15.html

Make sure it's long enough to cover the gas block. For a mid-length gas you want at least 9", and more likely 12-15".

The only other maker I know of who uses the standard barrel nut is Troy, and you don't want that.

The stock is no problem, it just slides on. Make sure you got mil-spec and not commercial spec for that Aero.
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
Ok, can someone please answer my question about tulammo (whether it's steel primed as well, or just steel cased)
I've never heard of "steel primed" before.

So far all Russian or USSR-type country's steel case ammo I have looked at was not only steel case but also had steel in the jacket, which matters to a lot of ranges (as in a lot of ranges don't allow ammo with steel in the jacket). The tula I am aware of all has steel in the jacket as well as using steel cases
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I've never heard of "steel primed" before.

So far all Russian or USSR-type country's steel case ammo I have looked at was not only steel case but also had steel in the jacket, which matters to a lot of ranges (as in a lot of ranges don't allow ammo with steel in the jacket). The tula I am aware of all has steel in the jacket as well as using steel cases
Yea im p sure he meant steel core. anyone have that gif of the bullet firing the otherday that might help this dude (srs) cause i think hes just unaware of the bullet anatomy
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Steel core .223/5.56 isn't something you have to worry about buying, wakaa. If you buy an 855 or SS109 it may have a steel penetrating cone that is not really steel core but some people call it that, but steel case stuff like Tula is just the case and the jacket and the main issue is the steel in the jacket sparking when it hits backstops or rocks so ranges don't always allow them. Ranges often won't allow M855/SS109 stuff either, especially indoors.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Bit by the "the customer pushed the..
Yeah...ATF has been very clear about that for a long time now.

Idiot.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Return the M-lok. Get a free floated handguard with a cheap flip up sight (like Magpul's). You can get one in whatever color you want to match your color scheme.
I'll try finding one.. I still need a hand guard because my AR would be naked af without it and I really dislike how it looks.http://www.brownells.com/firearms/ri...38-174289.aspxthis is what I bought.
Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
You got an OEM stripped AR, which is definitely not for absolute beginners. I highly suggest getting a free float rail that clamps around the factory barrel nut. Most rails have proprietary barrel nuts which require you to remove the old nut, along with the gas tube and gas block. You have to index and torque everything properly when you put it back together. All assuming you have the proper vise, action block, armorer's wrench, torque wrench, roll pin punch set, experience, patience, etc.

I would recommend the Samson Evolution. Very solid rail. I have the Rainier version on one of my Spike's and it has been great.

http://www.samson-mfg.com/product/KM-Evolution-15.html

Make sure it's long enough to cover the gas block. For a mid-length gas you want at least 9", and more likely 12-15".

The only other maker I know of who uses the standard barrel nut is Troy, and you don't want that.

The stock is no problem, it just slides on. Make sure you got mil-spec and not commercial spec for that Aero.
that's about half the price of the firearm lol. Any other recommendations?
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I've never heard of "steel primed" before.

So far all Russian or USSR-type country's steel case ammo I have looked at was not only steel case but also had steel in the jacket, which matters to a lot of ranges (as in a lot of ranges don't allow ammo with steel in the jacket). The tula I am aware of all has steel in the jacket as well as using steel cases
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Steel core .223/5.56 isn't something you have to worry about buying, wakaa. If you buy an 855 or SS109 it may have a steel penetrating cone that is not really steel core but some people call it that, but steel case stuff like Tula is just the case and the jacket and the main issue is the steel in the jacket sparking when it hits backstops or rocks so ranges don't always allow them. Ranges often won't allow M855/SS109 stuff either, especially indoors.
I meant steel core. I just bought 2k Gold instead, save me the headache.
Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
in general indoor ranges do not allow you to shoot tula or wolf, brown bear, or silver bear ammo. I would probably opt for something like pmc brass. Its pretty inexpensive and its legal for use.

http://www.ammoman.com/223-pmc-bronz...grain-fmj-223a
http://www.sgammo.com/product/223-55...fmj-loose-pack
http://www.targetsportsusa.com/feder...bk-p-2384.aspx
ty, went with gold 29 cents a round after tax and shipping.
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Originally Posted By spirit750⏩
Just got the Viper in. Really trying to keep myself from duct taping it to the slide and going to operate. Can't believe I didn't do this sooner. It's going to be so sweet.
Duct tape might last a round or two.
Worth a try.
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Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
nice. Thanks. what kind of mount are you running? does it co-witness fully or just 1/3?


With the included AR riser, it's 1/3 lower with a Magpul rear and A2 FSP.
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
that's about half the price of the firearm lol. Any other recommendations?
Free float rails arent cheap. If you want to support a dirt bag named Steve Troy you can find an Alpha Vtac rail cheaper. No other rails use standard barrel nut. Aero sells a complete AR with front sight block for the same price as that oem, you should have just bought that at your experience level and price consciousness. Cancel the order and just get that base Aero with FSB if you can.
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
Free float rails arent cheap. If you want to support a dirt bag named Steve Troy you can find an Alpha Vtac rail cheaper. No other rails use standard barrel nut. Aero sells a complete AR with front sight block for the same price as that oem, you should have just bought that at your experience level and price consciousness. Cancel the order and just get that base Aero with FSB if you can.
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
Free float rails arent cheap. If you want to support a dirt bag named Steve Troy you can find an Alpha Vtac rail cheaper. No other rails use standard barrel nut. Aero sells a complete AR with front sight block for the same price as that oem, you should have just bought that at your experience level and price consciousness. Cancel the order and just get that base Aero with FSB if you can.
Or he could just drop a couple hundred on a free float. The fact that they cost so much relative to the Aero is a testament to the value of the Aero and free floats are much nicer then a A2 setup.
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Originally Posted By weightsb4dates⏩
Buddies dad had an AR-10 and it scarred me tbh. Thing would run in 3 round cycles. insert mag, charge rifle, bang, bang, bang, jam, remove mag, reinsert mag, re charge the rifle, repeat. sent it to a gunsmith and got it back, same thing. Not sure what the issue was, maybe he got it fixed i dont know, but it didnt work the couple of times we went out and after that i always viewed them with a stigma.
What was the make/model?
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Or he could just drop a couple hundred on a free float. The fact that they cost so much relative to the Aero is a testament to the value of the Aero and free floats are much nicer then a A2 setup.
Quantum FF tube and bbl nut should run him right @ $100, IIRC.
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
I'll try finding that magpul, I got the M-lok, would I still not be able to use that for the rifle I bought or put a sight on that one? (the aero mid length 16" from brownells).


Nope, got the M-lok. what free floated hand guard do you guys suggest?



Ok, can someone please answer my question about tulammo (whether it's steel primed as well, or just steel cased)



I seriously am a noob at this if you couldn't already tell lol Idk what to do
Did you notice the 5 times I told you not to buy that handguard?
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Did you notice the 5 times I told you not to buy that handguard?
you must remain calm
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Evenin', beeyotches.
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Originally Posted By PapaBurgandy⏩
Nothing to see here.
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too late to cancel, it's already on it's way to my FFL
Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
Free float rails arent cheap. If you want to support a dirt bag named Steve Troy you can find an Alpha Vtac rail cheaper. No other rails use standard barrel nut. Aero sells a complete AR with front sight block for the same price as that oem, you should have just bought that at your experience level and price consciousness. Cancel the order and just get that base Aero with FSB if you can.
I'm just looking around, it's getting frustrating that certain ones wouldn't work.
Originally Posted By PapaBurgandy⏩
Co-signed.
Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Or he could just drop a couple hundred on a free float. The fact that they cost so much relative to the Aero is a testament to the value of the Aero and free floats are much nicer then a A2 setup.
are you saying aero is trash?
Originally Posted By PapaBurgandy⏩
Quantum FF tube and bbl nut should run him right @ $100, IIRC.
will look into, ty. I wanted to customize it so without the hand guard is suitable, right?
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Did you notice the 5 times I told you not to buy that handguard?
I bought it before you said not to. It's because it's commercial rather than mil right?
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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
I'm just looking around, it's getting frustrating that certain ones wouldn't work.







are you saying aero is trash?



will look into, ty. I wanted to customize it so without the hand guard is suitable, right?



I bought it before you said not to. It's because it's commercial rather than mil right?
No, the rifle you bought has a low profile gas block instead of a A2 FSB. More suited to a free float hand guard.


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Originally Posted By Wakaaa⏩
too late to cancel, it's already on it's way to my FFL



I'm just looking around, it's getting frustrating that certain ones wouldn't work.







are you saying aero is trash?



will look into, ty. I wanted to customize it so without the hand guard is suitable, right?



I bought it before you said not to. It's because it's commercial rather than mil right?
The mil-spec vs commercial is only with regards to the buffer tube that the stock slides over. And no, Aero is GOAT, I said value not cheapness. 520 or w/e that setup cost you is amazing for the quality, you'd have to spend 1600 to get an AR that beats it and even then it's not enough of a difference to justify the price difference or for you to even notice.

You can either get that troy industries which clamps over the barrel nut that's coming on your rifle, or another one that does, or get a BAR nut and then you can get any handguard that mounts to a BAR nut and have a gunsmith do the swap for you, shouldn't cost much at all since it's a very simple procedure for a gunsmith.
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