Log In

Your email is not your username

Register

If you were a member of the old Bodybuilding.com forums and would like to reuse your previous username, you can request it below. We use your email only for registration and do not store it. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy.

Confirm your email

A registration code was sent to your email. Enter it here.

Welcome

You have successfully setup your account.

Sign in

Quick Navigation Bottom Misc
Forum » What do you guys think about overtraining?
  1. Results 1 to 30 of 56
  2. Page 1 of 2
  3. 1
  4. 2
  6. Last

Thread: What do you guys think about overtraining?

post 1484636081 02-22-2017, 05:15 PM
-
#1
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Oct 2015
  4. Age: 29
  5. Posts: 11,034
  6. Rep Power: 26670

What do you guys think about overtraining?

Is it a real thing or am I just being a little bish?

Someone told me that if I want to get stronger, then I have to train harder.

I wanted to get my DL numbers up, so I started doing exactly that. On Saturday, I did 3x20 DL at 255 lbs. On Monday, I did 2x5 DL on 275 lbs, then 1x5 DL at 300 lbs. The next day I did deadlifts again and I could barely do 5 reps of 275 lbs, and I wasn't able to do 295 lbs DL.

Is that overtraining or what is that?
post 1484636351 02-22-2017, 05:17 PM
-
#2
  1. ZBRACFOGNIK
  2. Banned
  1. ZBRACFOGNIK
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Oct 2016
  4. Age: 32
  5. Posts: 993
  6. Rep Power: 0
Fatigue =/= over training

Not fully recovered =/= over training
post 1484636491 02-22-2017, 05:19 PM
-
#3
  1. LukeS1
  2. Luke
  1. LukeS1
  2. Luke
  3. Join Date: Apr 2012
  4. Age: 32
  5. Posts: 13,210
  6. Rep Power: 55417
It definitely exists, and you need to be aware of it as a natty

The problem you will usually face is CNS recovery rather than muscle fatigue, meaning heavy compounds can easily be overdone, things like rear delts, biceps not so much
6'1, 205 lbs

Luke
post 1484636541 02-22-2017, 05:19 PM
-
#4
  1. veggie530
  2. Not Aware
  1. veggie530
  2. Not Aware
  3. Join Date: Jan 2009
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 12,078
  6. Rep Power: 155340
I think what you're describing falls under poor programming. Your workouts should be intense, not just loads of volume to make up for lack of intensity or loads more volume with said intensity.
August 2023:
BW: 194
B: 315 x 3, 225 x 14 (PR: 335)
S: 315 x 2, 225 x 18 (PR's)
DL: 405 x 1 (PR); Trap Bar DL: 405 x 1
OHP: 185 x 3 (PR), 135 x 16
Chins: 22(PR) Pushups: 83 (PR: 101)
1 Mile: 6:45 (PR: 5:52)
post 1484636581 02-22-2017, 05:20 PM
-
#5
  1. zhengterry
  2. Banned
  1. zhengterry
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Jul 2015
  4. Age: 36
  5. Posts: 22,293
  6. Rep Power: 0
you should really train deadlifts once a week
post 1484637931 02-22-2017, 05:29 PM
-
#6
  1. ZBRACFOGNIK
  2. Banned
  1. ZBRACFOGNIK
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Oct 2016
  4. Age: 32
  5. Posts: 993
  6. Rep Power: 0
Originally Posted By zhengterry⏩
you should really train deadlifts once a week
Wrong. Somebody doesn't understand the simple concept of training volume and intensity.
post 1484638041 02-22-2017, 05:30 PM
-
#7
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Oct 2015
  4. Age: 29
  5. Posts: 11,034
  6. Rep Power: 26670
Originally Posted By zhengterry⏩
you should really train deadlifts once a week
My program does tell me to do it maximum twice a week, but I wanted to push myself.
post 1484638271 02-22-2017, 05:32 PM
-
#8
  1. Friendly300
  2. Registered User
  1. Friendly300
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jul 2016
  4. Age: 37
  5. Posts: 1,440
  6. Rep Power: 2990
Of course it exists. You need to be more careful about over doing it as a natural. Lower volume, frequency and intensity if you're cutting. Increase it if you're bulking.
419/320/550 @ 165.
Be like water my friend.
post 1484638411 02-22-2017, 05:33 PM
-
#9
  1. wisdommaster1
  2. Registered User
  1. wisdommaster1
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Dec 2006
  4. Location: San Francisco, California, United States
  5. Age: 38
  6. Posts: 18,637
  7. Rep Power: 44944
meh... you get used to it

I squat every day... takes a period to adjust but eventually you adapt
post 1484638521 02-22-2017, 05:33 PM
-
#10
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Oct 2015
  4. Age: 29
  5. Posts: 11,034
  6. Rep Power: 26670
Originally Posted By wisdommaster1⏩
meh... you get used to it

I squat every day... takes a period to adjust but eventually you adapt
But have you ever noticed a decrease in strength? You're eating and resting well, right?
post 1484638551 02-22-2017, 05:34 PM
-
#11
  1. BrahPlease
  2. 👽
  1. BrahPlease
  2. 👽
  3. Join Date: Oct 2011
  4. Posts: 19,237
  5. Rep Power: 24647
the problem is guys who have been on juice for so long actually start telling nattys that overtraining isnt real.

if your natty, you need days off to recover.
Keep rep trading out of your sig line miss
post 1484638641 02-22-2017, 05:35 PM
-
#12
  1. trapper08
  2. Banned
  1. trapper08
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Aug 2015
  4. Posts: 6,014
  5. Rep Power: 0
The little bish is you, so yes please
post 1484638671 02-22-2017, 05:35 PM
-
#13
  1. Quiggie
  2. Registered User
  1. Quiggie
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jan 2016
  4. Posts: 1,530
  5. Rep Power: 7276
There's a point of diminishing returns. It doesn't make sense to train twice as hard for an extra 0.01% in gains.
post 1484638851 02-22-2017, 05:36 PM
-
#14
  1. ZBRACFOGNIK
  2. Banned
  1. ZBRACFOGNIK
  2. Banned
  3. Join Date: Oct 2016
  4. Age: 32
  5. Posts: 993
  6. Rep Power: 0
Originally Posted By BrahPlease⏩
the problem is guys who have been on juice for so long actually start telling nattys that overtraining isnt real.

if your natty, you need days off to recover.
Steroids don't work that way buddy boy. Time to do more research.
post 1484639011 02-22-2017, 05:37 PM
-
#15
  1. wisdommaster1
  2. Registered User
  1. wisdommaster1
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Dec 2006
  4. Location: San Francisco, California, United States
  5. Age: 38
  6. Posts: 18,637
  7. Rep Power: 44944
Originally Posted By Sanguivorant⏩
But have you ever noticed a decrease in strength? You're eating and resting well, right?
decrease in strength? from a day to day basis, yeah definitely. But over time you get stronger
post 1484639241 02-22-2017, 05:39 PM
-
#16
  1. Bando
  1. Bando
  3. Join Date: Jun 2007
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 41,447
  6. Rep Power: 467819
I wouldn't deadlift 3X a week.

I'm training for a comp right now and benching 3x a week, squatting 2x and deadlifting 1x. I'm training for strength, not sure what your goals are OP
Don't put that on me Ricky Bobby, don't you ever put that on me.
post 1484639311 02-22-2017, 05:39 PM
-
#17
  1. Friendly300
  2. Registered User
  1. Friendly300
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jul 2016
  4. Age: 37
  5. Posts: 1,440
  6. Rep Power: 2990
Originally Posted By ZBRACFOGNIK⏩
Steroids don't work that way buddy boy. Time to do more research.
What are you talking about? Peds help reduce recovery time...
419/320/550 @ 165.
Be like water my friend.
post 1484639621 02-22-2017, 05:41 PM
-
#18
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Oct 2015
  4. Age: 29
  5. Posts: 11,034
  6. Rep Power: 26670
Originally Posted By Bando⏩
I wouldn't deadlift 3X a week.

I'm training for a comp right now and benching 3x a week, squatting 2x and deadlifting 1x. I'm training for strength, not sure what your goals are OP
Well my program actually has be only DLing 1x/week.

I squat 3x a week, and Bench/OHP 2-3x/week depending on which one I'm targeting. I'm also training primarily for strength, but for some reason I just said phuck it yolo and wanted to try deadlifting more.
post 1484639661 02-22-2017, 05:41 PM
-
#19
  1. kitpapa
  2. Registered User
  1. kitpapa
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jul 2013
  4. Location: Youngstown, Ohio, United States
  5. Age: 45
  6. Posts: 8,626
  7. Rep Power: 37512
There is a difference between overtraining and under recovering. Overtraining is real but very much a true CNS issue. You are more than likely under recovering
Owner of So-B-Fit
CPT

IG: stephaniesobien

NPC WPD and WNPF, Metal Militia powerlifter
post 1484639981 02-22-2017, 05:43 PM
-
#20
  1. yourfuzzybear
  2. mauls everyone
  1. yourfuzzybear
  2. mauls everyone
  3. Join Date: Nov 2015
  4. Location: United States
  5. Age: 30
  6. Posts: 1,980
  7. Rep Power: 4138
"Train harder" translates to 'train smarter.' Sometimes, training smarter is much harder than certain individuals' subjective opinions of what it is to train "hard." As far as bodybuilding/weightlifting goes, it's simple: train smart - get on a beginner bodybuilding/strength-training/power-lifting/whatever routine and stay consistent and listen to your body. Eat right. That's really all there is too it.
Don't pet me man
Chicago crew
Trips to band camp: 4 and counting
post 1484640011 02-22-2017, 05:44 PM
-
#21
  1. Bando
  1. Bando
  3. Join Date: Jun 2007
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 41,447
  6. Rep Power: 467819
Originally Posted By Sanguivorant⏩
Well my program actually has be only DLing 1x/week.

I squat 3x a week, and Bench/OHP 2-3x/week depending on which one I'm targeting. I'm also training primarily for strength, but for some reason I just said phuck it yolo and wanted to try deadlifting more.
stick with your program. There's a reason someone who has a clue about strength wrote it that way.
Don't put that on me Ricky Bobby, don't you ever put that on me.
post 1484640021 02-22-2017, 05:44 PM
-
#22
  1. Kev1972
  2. Registered User
  1. Kev1972
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jun 2013
  4. Location: Big Arm, Montana, United States
  5. Posts: 49,924
  6. Rep Power: 287644
Rhabdomyolysis is a real thing. Yes you can over train. Don't believe chit like the "8 hour arm workout" You'll put yourself in the hospital.
Motorcycle crew
Army veteran crew
One Meal a day crew
post 1484640041 02-22-2017, 05:44 PM
-
#23
  1. BrahPlease
  2. 👽
  1. BrahPlease
  2. 👽
  3. Join Date: Oct 2011
  4. Posts: 19,237
  5. Rep Power: 24647
Originally Posted By Friendly300⏩
What are you talking about? Peds help reduce recovery time...
lmao thats what i mean. idk if that bros on juice or not, but their is a problem with dudes on juice telling other people total BS and they actually think they are just working harder than everyone else, when in reality the juice automatically adds on like 20lbs of muscle in months.
Keep rep trading out of your sig line miss
post 1484640551 02-22-2017, 05:48 PM
-
#24
  1. Friendly300
  2. Registered User
  1. Friendly300
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jul 2016
  4. Age: 37
  5. Posts: 1,440
  6. Rep Power: 2990
Originally Posted By BrahPlease⏩
lmao thats what i mean. idk if that bros on juice or not, but their is a problem with dudes on juice telling other people total BS and they actually think they are just working harder than everyone else, when in reality the juice automatically adds on like 20lbs of muscle in months.
A good example off the top of my head is Pete Rubish saying something along the lines of that on peds he'd go into the gym often feeling like a million bucks, or close to it (bear in mind he would be lifting more weight on peds too). When he tried to go "natty" (he legit tried, he tried to reduce peds gradually) he felt like absolute trash entering the gym before deads (and during them). I believe he reverted back to peds as he couldn't take it mentally (or physically, numbers dropped a lot and lost muscle mass I believe). That just about sums it up.

Not hating on Pete Rubish. He's a great lifter. And he was honest about the effects of peds which I can respect. I believe my post is within the rules, if not I apologize.
Originally Posted By Zerafian⏩
people that think it doesnt exist are dumb as a rock
Agree.
419/320/550 @ 165.
Be like water my friend.
post 1484640631 02-22-2017, 05:49 PM
-
#25
  1. Zerafian
  2. Droppin' truth bombs
  1. Zerafian
  2. Droppin' truth bombs
  3. Join Date: Dec 2006
  4. Location: United States
  5. Posts: 25,017
  6. Rep Power: 75344
people that think it doesnt exist are dumb as a rock.

If you train past your limits, like your suppose to, you shouldnt train the same muscle group for about 72 hours.
Carb Mal-absorption, no breads, sugary snacks, rice, pasta...live off of 30-40g a day.
Eosinophilic eso****itis, cant ingest dairy or my eso****us closes up
post 1484640681 02-22-2017, 05:49 PM
-
#26
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Oct 2015
  4. Age: 29
  5. Posts: 11,034
  6. Rep Power: 26670
Originally Posted By Friendly300⏩
A good example off the top of my head is Pete Rubish saying something along the lines of that on peds he'd go into the gym often feeling like a million bucks, or close to it (bear in mind he would be lifting more weight on peds too). When he tried to go "natty" (he legit tried, he tried to reduce peds gradually) he felt like absolute trash entering the gym before deads (and during them). I believe he reverted back to peds as he couldn't take it mentally (or physically, numbers dropped a lot and lost muscle mass I believe). That just about sums it up.

Not hating on Pete Rubish. He's a great lifter. And he was honest about the effects of peds which I can respect.
Yeah I don't even know what peds are. I'm not on any enhancements.
post 1484640891 02-22-2017, 05:51 PM
-
#27
  1. jesteraq
  2. The King
  1. jesteraq
  2. The King
  3. Join Date: Nov 2011
  4. Location: United States
  5. Age: 17
  6. Posts: 11,800
  7. Rep Power: 101719
Why are you deadlifting 3x a week and every other day at that..
560/425/750 - 1735@207
post 1484640991 02-22-2017, 05:52 PM
-
#28
  1. BrahPlease
  2. 👽
  1. BrahPlease
  2. 👽
  3. Join Date: Oct 2011
  4. Posts: 19,237
  5. Rep Power: 24647
the worst chit from dudes on juice say things like

"man, it doesnt matter im on a bunch of juice, i would be the same size i am now without juice because i work harder than everyone and put in more effort, im dedicated".

lmao ...and those guys actually believe the chit they are saying too lol.
Keep rep trading out of your sig line miss
post 1484641041 02-22-2017, 05:52 PM
-
#29
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  1. Sanguivorant
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Oct 2015
  4. Age: 29
  5. Posts: 11,034
  6. Rep Power: 26670
Originally Posted By jesteraq⏩
Why are you deadlifting 3x a week and every other day at that..
Honestly just for fun, as an experiment. It's not what I'm normally supposed to be doing.
post 1484641131 02-22-2017, 05:53 PM
-
#30
  1. Friendly300
  2. Registered User
  1. Friendly300
  2. Registered User
  3. Join Date: Jul 2016
  4. Age: 37
  5. Posts: 1,440
  6. Rep Power: 2990
Originally Posted By Sanguivorant⏩
Yeah I don't even know what peds are. I'm not on any enhancements.
It's an abbreviation for performance enhancing drugs. Yeah I agree it's not relevant to the OP. It just became a topic of discussion in the thread lol
419/320/550 @ 165.
Be like water my friend.
  1. Page 1 of 2
  2. 1
  3. 2
  5. Last
Quick Navigation Top Misc
Bookmarks
Digg.com
Digg
del.icio.us
del.icio.us
Stumbleupon.com
StumbleUpon
Google.com
Google
Facebook.com
Facebook
Posting Permissions
  1. You may not post new threads
  2. You may not post replies
  3. You may not post attachments
  4. You may not edit your posts