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Thread: It's 2017 do people still believe calories in = calories out?

post 1487081291 03-13-2017, 07:26 PM
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It's 2017 do people still believe calories in = calories out?

Is this dogma still popular in the dieting scene? I can't imagine people still think a calorie is still a calorie and that the laws of thermodynamics apply the the human body where we should know by now that the body is governed by biological functions. I cease to believe IIFYM still has a place in modern eating habits. When will people learn hormones are what control fat loss/gain. Just want to hear people's opinions on this popular doctrine.
post 1487081531 03-13-2017, 07:28 PM
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Yes
post 1487081681 03-13-2017, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted By SpriteZero⏩
Yes
\Yes you still believe calories in = calories out? If so I feel sorry for you.

I encourage you to have a look if you have time

post 1487081881 03-13-2017, 07:31 PM
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Yes, you can't create energy from nothing and you can't make ingested energy just disappear.
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ITT, OP doesn't believe in the fundamental laws of the universe...

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post 1487081961 03-13-2017, 07:32 PM
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wow great thread... I'll definitely take the word of someone who takes a shirtless selfie while wearing a hat over several people with PhD's

will save this thread to show to my grand children as an example of what not to be when you grow up
post 1487082001 03-13-2017, 07:32 PM
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So will you gain or lose weight if you drink 3,000 cals of semen a day? Asking for a friend.
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post 1487082031 03-13-2017, 07:33 PM
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Eat less and you lose weight. Makes sense to me *******
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post 1487082161 03-13-2017, 07:34 PM
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The future of america right here everybody...

2017 and kids thinking random youtube videos supersede established scientific consensus
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Calories in does equal calories out *******

Hormones + bodyweight determine how many calories you need and how much protein you need.


Can't believe it's 2017 and people are still this stupid.


Keto is different because of the way fats are metabolized, you sh*t out most of what you eat.
post 1487082281 03-13-2017, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted By jesusxchrist⏩
So will you gain or lose weight if you drink 3,000 cals of semen a day? Asking for a friend.


Jason Wittrock did a 4,000 calorie/day test on a keto type diet which would technically be well over his TDEE yet he lost weight, so the whole theory of calories in = calories out holds no weight.
post 1487082441 03-13-2017, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted By AverageKenneth⏩
ITT, OP doesn't believe in the fundamental laws of the universe...

Lol this logic gets me everything, listen this applies to machinery such as a steam boiler or diesel engine not a damn human body, there are so many hormones at play that is why biological functions control fat loss/gain.
post 1487082471 03-13-2017, 07:37 PM
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Oh cool, more youtube evidence lol some people will believe anything
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post 1487082581 03-13-2017, 07:38 PM
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Calories in vs calories out. This has been proven with Twinkie diets, McDonald's diets etc.

But what you eat has a massive impact on satiety and overall health.
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brb energy companies are going to start harvesting humans 'cause "hormones" can create energy from nothing
brb "keto" can cause the metabolism to become a "black hole"
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Originally Posted By JRJester⏩
The future of america right here everybody...

2017 and kids thinking random youtube videos supersede established scientific consensus
Sorry bud but I am and will be more successful than you can dream of. So your saying there is no concrete scientific data to back up a non-calorie in/out approach? It's been proven time and time again hormones regulate fat loss/gain and the types of calories we eat are more important than just the quantity of calories. A calorie from broc**** surely doesn't have the same reaction in the body as a calorie of pop tart
Originally Posted By wisdommaster1⏩
wow great thread... I'll definitely take the word of someone who takes a shirtless selfie while wearing a hat over several people with PhD's

will save this thread to show to my grand children as an example of what not to be when you grow up
So I guess there are no doctors who advocated for a keto type of approach to dieting? And I am going to take advice from some carrot top looking mofo doing shirtless olympic lifts?
post 1487082941 03-13-2017, 07:41 PM
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Here is the worlds leading "keto" proponent
post 1487083051 03-13-2017, 07:42 PM
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calories calories is also effected by what you eat and your body system.
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The "calories in/calories out" adage has to do with weight loss only, not necessarily body composition.
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Originally Posted By Admired⏩
Sorry bud but I am and will be more successful than you will dream of.
Considering you can't comprehend basic science, can barely string together a coherent sentence, and seem to lack even basic common sense, I doubt you'll even make it to 30 without removing yourself from the gene pool.
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I mean i get calories are calories

But really 4,000 calories of Doritos aren't the same as 4,000 calories of grilled chicken

Wonder what would happen if you went on a dorito only diet. I mean obviously a grilled chicken only diet would have its pitfalls too but one is prob hitting a much broader range of micronutrients + vitamins
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Originally Posted By Admired⏩
Lol this logic gets me everything, listen this applies to machinery such as a steam boiler or diesel engine not a damn human body, there are so many hormones at play that is why biological functions control fat loss/gain.
It's called the first LAW of thermodynamics, not a rule, a LAW. You simply cannot violate it.

Show me one example, ONE where a person gained weight after eating nothing. I will get down on my knees and suck your tiny 3 inch dick if you do.

I will admit that hormones can definitely affect the rate at which your body burns calories (ie calories out is reduced) but to say the first law doesn't apply to humans is incredibly ignorant. Fck you OP you little gay boy.
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I gotta agree with OP to a large degree.

Yes you can't create energy or weight out of nothing but the body is also a very complex thing.

I believe not every different body manages energy in the same way. For example, I believe some people's brains burn an enormous amount of energy.

And different types of calories are managed in different ways with different bodies.
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Originally Posted By Admired⏩
So I guess there are no doctors who advocated for a keto type of approach to dieting? And I am going to take advice from some carrot top looking mofo doing shirtless olympic lifts?
No, you're going to take advice from generations of bodybuilders, olympic weightlifters, powerlifters, football players, rugby players, boxers, grapplers, mma fighters, strength coaches.

Eat more = gain weight. Eat less = lose weight.
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
I mean i get calories are calories

But really 4,000 calories of Doritos aren't the same as 4,000 calories of grilled chicken

Wonder what would happen if you went on a dorito only diet. I mean obviously a grilled chicken only diet would have its pitfalls too but one is prob hitting a much broader range of micronutrients + vitamins
Do you understand what calories is? Calories is a measurement of energy. It's like saying 40F in Canada isn't the same as 40F in USA. Macros are a whole nother ball game though.
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Originally Posted By JRJester⏩
Considering you can't comprehend basic science, can barely string together a coherent sentence, and seem to lack even basic common sense, I doubt you'll even make it to 30 without removing yourself from the gene pool.
I didn't realize I was writing a college thesis over here; I always lol at people who think they are superior when they call someone out on their grammar and sentence structure. I'm merely trying to get my point across. I know science and physics very well actually and like I said with the other gentlemen, our bodies aren't steam boilers where the principles of energy and thermo processes are valid. Human bodies are infinitely more complex with 8 major hormones at play, which is why biological not physics dominates how the body regulates its weight.
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Originally Posted By Admired⏩


Jason Wittrock did a 4,000 calorie/day test on a keto type diet which would technically be well over his TDEE yet he lost weight, so the whole theory of calories in = calories out holds no weight.
What was his diet before?

It could be a combination of losing water weight and increased neat + thermogenic effect of eating more food
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2000 fruit/veggie calories is better than 2000 calories of candy. All the nutrients and vitamins.
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