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Im not against gay marriage in a sense.
Marriage is at its root based off of religion. The religions that its based off of (judaism/christianty/islam) being gay is not only not allowed it is considered a sin.
By this logic it should not be allowed.
But at the same time, two people getting "married" is fine but i dont think it should be the same and that churches shouldnt be browbeaten into doing something they consider a sin.
Marriage is at its root based off of religion. The religions that its based off of (judaism/christianty/islam) being gay is not only not allowed it is considered a sin.
By this logic it should not be allowed.
But at the same time, two people getting "married" is fine but i dont think it should be the same and that churches shouldnt be browbeaten into doing something they consider a sin.
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Originally Posted By shorkey⏩
I am not putting in my input on this question since I am the OP. I don't want to sway the thread in anyway, or have people think I'm trying to.Well for one two gays or two lesbians getting married isn't incest. By your logic let me ask you are you okay with a brother and sister getting married???????????????????
i am stritctly interested in whether pro homosexuality people are pro or con incest, and the REASONS for it.I've seen many reasons lead to contradictions or strawman arguments, so I just want to get to the bottom of it.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
Well I personally don't care what others decide to do with their lives. I would however be against incest whether it be gay or straight. But for me anyways I don't see the point of marriage in today's world. Just be together. Why do you need a piece of paper?I am not putting in my input on this question since I am the OP. I don't want to sway the thread in anyway, or have people think I'm trying to.
i am stritctly interested in whether pro homosexuality people are pro or con incest, and the REASONS for it.I've seen many reasons lead to contradictions or strawman arguments, so I just want to get to the bottom of it.
i am stritctly interested in whether pro homosexuality people are pro or con incest, and the REASONS for it.I've seen many reasons lead to contradictions or strawman arguments, so I just want to get to the bottom of it.
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03-16-2017, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted By miscHelix⏩
ok i can see your reasoning hereIm not against gay marriage in a sense.
Marriage is at its root based off of religion. The religions that its based off of (judaism/christianty/islam) being gay is not only not allowed it is considered a sin.
By this logic it should not be allowed.
But at the same time, two people getting "married" is fine but i dont think it should be the same and that churches shouldnt be browbeaten into doing something they consider a sin.
Marriage is at its root based off of religion. The religions that its based off of (judaism/christianty/islam) being gay is not only not allowed it is considered a sin.
By this logic it should not be allowed.
But at the same time, two people getting "married" is fine but i dont think it should be the same and that churches shouldnt be browbeaten into doing something they consider a sin.
how about just the sex part alone, without marriage?
03-16-2017, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted By shorkey⏩
Why? Who is it harming?Well I personally don't care what others decide to do with their lives.I would however be against incest whether it be gay or straight.But for me anyways I don't see the point of marriage in today's world. Just be together. Why do you need a piece of paper?
well first, tell me if you think homosexuality is morally wrong.
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I'm not going to vote for it. I think it's ridiculous they want it in the first place. It's a religious ceremony in its purest form and homosexuality is a sin in religious texts
Why you'd want to be a part of it seems backward if you're gay.
But ya know, I'm not gonna waste my time fighting against it either.
It's really whatever. More important things to worry about if I'm being honest.
Why you'd want to be a part of it seems backward if you're gay.
But ya know, I'm not gonna waste my time fighting against it either.
It's really whatever. More important things to worry about if I'm being honest.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
Sex is just as bad considering it is against the religions as well.ok i can see your reasoning here
how about just the sex part alone, without marriage?
how about just the sex part alone, without marriage?
Idgaf if they do it or not, but i can see why people would be so strongly against it.
In the bible it was part of the reason Sodom/Gamora were both destroyed by God.
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*******s are less creepy and mentally disturbed then brother sister phuckers and im ok with the inbreds being oppressed.
Editing: and i dont say less from the point that i think being gay makes you mentally disturbed, i think most humans in general are fuked in the head in some manner.
Sounds bad but thats the truth.
Editing: and i dont say less from the point that i think being gay makes you mentally disturbed, i think most humans in general are fuked in the head in some manner.
Sounds bad but thats the truth.
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Originally Posted By Maatkarah⏩
Thing with incest is these people (normally) grow up in a dependent relationship.The issues the comparison raises for me;
a. two consenting adults is a combo. relatively rarely seen in incest
b. it's unlikely that incest would not hurt other people .. whether in the higher likelihood of genetic abnormalities in any offspring, or social ostracization from (and of) their families.
(The social ostracization used to apply to homosexuality too, but is much less now).
a. two consenting adults is a combo. relatively rarely seen in incest
b. it's unlikely that incest would not hurt other people .. whether in the higher likelihood of genetic abnormalities in any offspring, or social ostracization from (and of) their families.
(The social ostracization used to apply to homosexuality too, but is much less now).
A parent will have a lot of power even over a grown up child, that could be abused. (Similar to a teacher, but much worse)
Siblings are more complicated, but those rarely are consentual anyways.
I am not against incest beetween siblings, who were raised by different families. In fact those tend to fall in love with each other all the time since they are genetically really similar.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
Well I think it would harm the people in question and their potential children. Like if a father marries his daughter and has kids with her. Fawked up chit!Why? Who is it harming?
well first, tell me if you think homosexuality is morally wrong.
well first, tell me if you think homosexuality is morally wrong.
No I don't think homosexuality is morally wrong. I think everybody should be free to experience their sexuality as long as its not something that harms others. Forcing a gay person to be straight would be morally wrong. Imagine if they tried forcing you to be gay? Same thing.
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Nothing you can really do about it. Their human, let em have what they want.
I'm thankful everyday I don't have to go through what those people go through.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
a. I have difficulty conceiving of any of the 'consenting incestuous' scenarios in op as being truly consensual, hence my response.did you not read the OP?
a. the situation is between two consenting incestuous adults. You have built up a strawman saying "rarely seen in incest." The question is when consent DOES occur in incest. Answer that, don't escape it.
b. again, did you not read the OP? I mentioned three scenarios where there ARE NOT any offspring. In addition, you mention social ostracization. Does this mean homosexuality is wrong, too? if so, then you are not the target audience in the OP. read the thread title.
a. the situation is between two consenting incestuous adults. You have built up a strawman saying "rarely seen in incest." The question is when consent DOES occur in incest. Answer that, don't escape it.
b. again, did you not read the OP? I mentioned three scenarios where there ARE NOT any offspring. In addition, you mention social ostracization. Does this mean homosexuality is wrong, too? if so, then you are not the target audience in the OP. read the thread title.
An adult father and son ... they may be adult now but he raised him as his child, with influence & authority & probably discipline; he shaped his thinking and his perception of normal, not an equal/neutral relationship.
To a much lesser extent the same with two brothers or a brother and sister (not twins) where there is the potential for influence and authority over the younger.
b. I did not take that on board in my reply, I admit. Mine was more of a generic scenario.
However the sister having her tubes tied and never having children (unless she has them already with a previous partner); while possible, is unlikely; it flies in the face of most people's desires and instincts in life.
Social ostracization .. not quite sure what you're asking; do I think anything that has caused/causes social ostracisation including homosexuality is wrong? No, of course not; the social ostracization depends on what is commonly thought to be wrong/acceptable in a society at a certain time.
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What I was trying to say in a. - but without my wordiness.Thing with incest is these people (normally) grow up in a dependent relationship.
A parent will have a lot of power even over a grown up child, that could be abused. (Similar to a teacher, but much worse)
Siblings are more complicated, but those rarely are consentual anyways.
I am not against incest beetween siblings, who were raised by different families. In fact those tend to fall in love with each other all the time since they are genetically really similar.
A parent will have a lot of power even over a grown up child, that could be abused. (Similar to a teacher, but much worse)
Siblings are more complicated, but those rarely are consentual anyways.
I am not against incest beetween siblings, who were raised by different families. In fact those tend to fall in love with each other all the time since they are genetically really similar.
Edit: to answer your general question - "pro-homosexuality" is an odd concept for me, I'm not "pro" it but I am tolerant of it.
And in a truly consensual incestuous relationship (which to me excludes a parent-child relationship and sibling relationships unless they were raised separately until adults) where they take steps to avoid offspring with genetic problems; I am similarly tolerant. I do feel sorry for their families though.
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Originally Posted By tng83⏩
Location: Louisiana. LolYes to everything. And I don't have a problem legally with incest and children. The likelihood of birth defects is probably greater with drugs and alcohol and unless the baby comes out totally fuked up there are typically no consequences for the mother.
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Saying "well if it doesn't affect me then I don't care" is absolute garbage. When will we stand up and say this is going too far? look at our society right now. How far has it been degraded?
Literally everything that can be done to erode the traditional values and morals of a good society is currently happening right now.
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As a society we should hold standards as to what is morally right and wrong. You can't just say ''it doesn't affect me so I don't care''. Logic like that is why a guy aged 46 dresses up like a kid, transgender women marry transgender men and breastfeed with their hairy chest , and so on. They both consent, but is it normal? No they've crossed the line. I'm pro gay marriage, but thats where we draw the line. Otherwise we would be no different than animals feeding of our emotions without any values.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
Actually against marriage as any sort of legal institution. Make any legal union called as such and leave marriages to religious organizations."Two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people."
1) Are you okay with two brothers getting married to each other?
2) What about an adult father and adult son?
3) What about a brother and sister, where the sister has hertubes tied so she can't have kidsand thus can't "hurt someone else" by giving them birth defects?.....
1) Are you okay with two brothers getting married to each other?
2) What about an adult father and adult son?
3) What about a brother and sister, where the sister has hertubes tied so she can't have kidsand thus can't "hurt someone else" by giving them birth defects?.....
Morally:
1) No
2) No
3) No
Incest is disgusting, weird and means mentally phuked up people. They are going to effect other people and the world around them no matter whether they have kids
Example: Look at the problem with the big amount of muslims that are incest and the backwards-ness of their culture.
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Originally Posted By miscHelix⏩
thank you for actually providing some sort of reasoning (God outlaws it). whether or not people agree with your reasoning, at least you aren't contradicting yourself or displaying double standards!Sex is just as bad considering it is against the religions as well.
Idgaf if they do it or not, but i can see why people would be so strongly against it.
In the bible it was part of the reason Sodom/Gamora were both destroyed by God.
Idgaf if they do it or not, but i can see why people would be so strongly against it.
In the bible it was part of the reason Sodom/Gamora were both destroyed by God.
Originally Posted By I3igAl⏩
it seems to me you are more against abusive relationships, not necessarily incestuous ones. which is fine, but it doesn't really address the OP.Thing with incest is these people (normally) grow up in a dependent relationship.
A parent will have a lot of power even over a grown up child, that could be abused. (Similar to a teacher, but much worse)
Siblings are more complicated, but those rarely are consentual anyways.
I am not against incest beetween siblings, who were raised by different families. In fact those tend to fall in love with each other all the time since they are genetically really similar.
A parent will have a lot of power even over a grown up child, that could be abused. (Similar to a teacher, but much worse)
Siblings are more complicated, but those rarely are consentual anyways.
I am not against incest beetween siblings, who were raised by different families. In fact those tend to fall in love with each other all the time since they are genetically really similar.
Originally Posted By shorkey⏩
read the OP. two brothers cannot have kids. father and son can't have kids. brother and sister with tubes tied can't have kids.Well I think it would harm the people in question and their potential children. Like if a father marries his daughter and has kids with her. Fawked up chit!
No I don't think homosexuality is morally wrong. I think everybody should be free to experience their sexuality as long as its not something that harms others. Forcing a gay person to be straight would be morally wrong. Imagine if they tried forcing you to be gay? Same thing.
No I don't think homosexuality is morally wrong. I think everybody should be free to experience their sexuality as long as its not something that harms others. Forcing a gay person to be straight would be morally wrong. Imagine if they tried forcing you to be gay? Same thing.
read the OP and respond again, you have missed the question
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i see this happening too. in this thread, you see many people who dont care about incest. with "incest" pr0n on the rise, i bet in 10 years time, more and more people will be coming out about being incestuous, much like gays came out.Saying "well if it doesn't affect me then I don't care" is absolute garbage. When will we stand up and say this is going too far? look at our society right now. How far has it been degraded?
Literally everything that can be done to erode the traditional values and morals of a good society is currently happening right now.
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Originally Posted By BaconEggs⏩
why do you draw the line at gay marriage?Why is gay marriage okay, but not if it's between two consenting, adult brothers? what justifies the exception for you?that is what i am getting at ITTAs a society we should hold standards as to what is morally right and wrong. You can't just say ''it doesn't affect me so I don't care''. Logic like that is why a guy aged 46 dresses up like a kid, transgender women marry transgender men and breastfeed with their hairy chest , and so on. They both consent, but is it normal? No they've crossed the line. I'm pro gay marriage, but thats where we draw the line. Otherwise we would be no different than animals feeding of our emotions without any values.
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homosexuality is homosexuality and incest is incest what the logic behind homosexuality leading to incest?
If they are consenting and no kids were to be procreated then I dont care
If they are consenting and no kids were to be procreated then I dont care
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Originally Posted By EnderG60⏩
This.The only reason its not legal to marry/breed with a family member is because it causes a lot of very bad genetic diseases to start becoming a problem.
Besides that, As long as its not hurting anyone else do whatever the hell you want.
If you have a problem with that and start asking "Well what about a man and a chicken" You have missed the point and this can not be explained to you.
Besides that, As long as its not hurting anyone else do whatever the hell you want.
If you have a problem with that and start asking "Well what about a man and a chicken" You have missed the point and this can not be explained to you.
Two gay people can't hurt chit. Incest can create a fukked up baby.
With that said - They can still get married just not reproduce. So that clears up your brother/brother thing. (which you mentioned the no birth thing so yea)
Immoral = encroach on others negatively. If you can prove that brother/brother does this then please do so.
Father/mom-son/daughter (prior to 18) no, because we have set the consenting age to 18 (depending on state). If that law is to prevent tobacco use, joining the military, etc.. then it falls under those lack of rights.
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Because it's not the same thing. We and practically every other animal species have a strong biological aversion to incest. There are many behaviors among animals that are in place to reduce the risk of incest, such as either the males or the females of a group being forced to look for other territories and join an outside group. In the case of humans, studies have shown that we are very unlikely to see the people we grew up with (usually family) in a sexual way. It's no accident that incest is one of the few things that are taboo across all human societies. It is more biology than social conditioning. To allow incest goes against every standard of nature. In few instances in history when incest was encouraged, such as among the royalty of ancient Egypt, the rulers were seen as gods and not men,and therefore above the laws of man and nature.
Homosexuality, on the other hand, is more like a "natural" deviation from the norm. In any large population, you're going to have people who are sterile, have disabilities, and so on. Homosexuality may be no different. Of course, certain cultures, such as the ancient Greeks or the misc, encourage *******ry, but cultures like that haven't been common.
Homosexuality, on the other hand, is more like a "natural" deviation from the norm. In any large population, you're going to have people who are sterile, have disabilities, and so on. Homosexuality may be no different. Of course, certain cultures, such as the ancient Greeks or the misc, encourage *******ry, but cultures like that haven't been common.
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Op youre not in favor of gay marriage. Youre entitled to your opinion even if its the wrong one. Not even going to address the other chit you said.
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OP if you can ask us, let me ask you this (despite you implying you weren't going to, but it can help the discussion immensely and tbh I think you're just using that as a method of deflection on yourself no offense)
Are you OK with gay marriage?
Are you in favor of allowing incest marriage (barring no child birth)?
Yes or no then reasoning (please make sure to answer yes or no first, it's important)
Now remember, when it comes to morality or setting laws.. you hold the burden of truth if you are todenysomeone.
Are you OK with gay marriage?
Are you in favor of allowing incest marriage (barring no child birth)?
Yes or no then reasoning (please make sure to answer yes or no first, it's important)
Now remember, when it comes to morality or setting laws.. you hold the burden of truth if you are todenysomeone.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
I have more of a moral objection to women drinking while pregnant than I do a brother and sister having a baby. But I certainly don't condone it.interesting, but this is a moral question. not a legal question. does that change your answer at all?
i do think it's a travesty that pregnant women do drugs and drink :/
I would like to know this as well!
i do think it's a travesty that pregnant women do drugs and drink :/
I would like to know this as well!
I put it this way. I wouldn't be friends with a brother and sister who fuk. But I would support their freedom to do so.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
You're OP is a strawman in itself, if you're saying "imagine a scenario where two adult brothers are in a relationship where abuse has never happened both phsyical or psychologically, now or anytime in the past, with 100% certainty."it seems to me you are more against abusive relationships, not necessarily incestuous ones. which is fine, but it doesn't really address the OP
Because that's your scenario, isn't it? And if it isn't, how does the quoted post not adress the OP?
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The family thing is a bit more iffy as when it happens to have to wonder that even though they are of consenting age now, was there previous abuse that led up to this.
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