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post 1487416051 03-16-2017, 10:52 AM
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The current state of marriage, involving the state is a bad joke. If consenting adults want in on that, go for it. I would go as far as supporting OPs getting married, a step beyond your typical gay marriage
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
I was talking about an adult father and adult child. Like 50 and 30 years old. That's when they first have their incestuous relationship.Why is this morally wrong to you? I'm curious to know your rationale.If you use religion as your rationale, that's fine. I just want to know what the rationale is.
I understood you were talking about adult relationships. I still view a parent-child amorous relationship as morally wrong given the potential for abuse. The child has seen the parent as an authority figure their entire life and I would consider that relationship to be abusive regardless of their ages. Much in the same way I would view a university professor having sex with a student (even if the student is an adult). There is an obvious duty of care in place that the authoritative figure is in conflict with by engaging in a romantic relationship.
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I don't care if gays marry, why would I.

I don't care if some mother and son sleep together either, why would I? I might even search for that on some xxx site.....

You don't have to agree with it to accept it. If people are happy, and it doesn't negatively impact me, I don't really mind.
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If a gay couple finds a church, synagogue, mosque or whatever that will marry then let them do it. If they can not find a place then the government can be the last resort. But the government should not be able to force a religion or specific place of worship to accomodate it. If church A won't marry the couple but church B will you then can't force A to do it too. I do think government itself should be able to marry others, but not force others to do the same.
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I don't care what any consenting adults do.

OP, are you religious by any chance? Believe the Bible to be the literal word of god?
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Originally Posted By TMac26⏩
Two adults.


I give zero ****s what they do as long is it doesn't intrude on my life. If they wanna be weird and marry each other, let them. None of my business.

I think a lot of things are wrong, and shouldn't happen, but I'm not gonna rely on the government to outlaw them. They do enough damage already
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Why would anyone be pro incest
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Okay with all three of those. Morality is subjective. None of these implicate society any more than low IQ people breeding and producing low IQ kids who will do nothing but be a detriment to society. There is more of a utilitarian objective to people who aren't fit to reproduce reproducing than there is to two people who are the same sex loving each other.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
Ok but this is a moral question, not a political question. If you want to use religion to back your morals, I'm perfectly fine with that. I'm just interested in seeing how people back their claims from amoralperspective.

I never expected so many people to be okay with incest (view the rest of this thread for proof). This might have something to do with the rise in incest porn I keep hearing about.
You asked a political question. Marriage only has any weight due to its legal significance which is a matter ofpolitics. Marriage is essentially the government giving blessing to a relationship and enshrining it into a contract. If we remove the legal significance of marriage then it goes back to being a religious matter only. When we stop giving special privileges to married couples then the gays and other weirdos will stop asking for "equality".

In a libertarian world, incestuous people cannot get married, because christians will not marry them. This doesn't infringe on their rights, and it doesn't infringe on the rights of the christians.

I don't know why this is hard to understand.
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dat false equivalency
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Originally Posted By DarthDankus⏩
I wish I could measure the rate of success of children from various households. My guess would be from most to least successful:

1.) Traditional family
2.) Two gay dads
3.) Divorce parents who are civil
4.) Single moms
5.) The weird chit OP posted
6.) Two lesbian moms
Single dads 2)
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post 1487432791 03-16-2017, 12:50 PM
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Agree with OP, the whole 'it doesn't affect me' chit is nonsense because it does affect everyone.

What about a ******* who likes to fantasize being murdered and eaten finding a wierdo who wants to eat people. That's ok cause no else else is hurt, right?

Morally is emergent and exists in its basics in all human cultures. Let me spell out the gay chit for you:

Gays are groce, carrying and spreading desease. Avg gay partner countt in big cities is 800, no wonder they get aids. It's nomal to be disgusted by *******s
Gays are untrustworthy, and will backstab you with no remose.
They have often been molested, and will go on to moslest kids - look at the milo case
Gays have had the option of civil union for decades now, giving them the same tax breaks and will options, but they wanted the word 'marriage' to fully destroy the 3rd pillar of the commuty - the Church, was already under attack from within by child molesters, women priests and a cuck pope
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^Possibly worst and most fallacious argument I've seen in this thread yet. God damn son.
Originally Posted By nzgs⏩
You asked a political question. Marriage only has any weight due to its legal significance which is a matter ofpolitics. Marriage is essentially the government giving blessing to a relationship and enshrining it into a contract. If we remove the legal significance of marriage then it goes back to being a religious matter only. When we stop giving special privileges to married couples then the gays and other weirdos will stop asking for "equality".

In a libertarian world, incestuous people cannot get married, because christians will not marry them. This doesn't infringe on their rights, and it doesn't infringe on the rights of the christians.

I don't know why this is hard to understand.
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post 1487433501 03-16-2017, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted By MuckSnapper⏩
^Possibly worst and most fallacious argument I've seen in this thread yet. God damn son.

I look forward to a rebuttal when you've stopped being triggered
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Originally Posted By freeburn⏩
Why would anyone be pro incest
Because they want to do it?
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Originally Posted By miscbrah007⏩
I look forward to a rebuttal when you've stopped being triggered
Sure.

Originally Posted By miscbrah007⏩
Agree with OP, the whole 'it doesn't affect me' chit is nonsense because it does affect everyone.
You have not proven in all of your non-sense how it affectsyouin any way shape or form.
What about a ******* who likes to fantasize being murdered and eaten finding a wierdo who wants to eat people. That's ok cause no else else is hurt, right?
Non-sequitur. You are attempting to use a very extreme case to justify your point all whilst forgetting the victim has family who will be affected. Just.. no. Wow.
Morally is emergent and exists in its basics in all human cultures. Let me spell out the gay chit for you:

Gays are groce, carrying and spreading desease. Avg gay partner countt in big cities is 800, no wonder they get aids. It's nomal to be disgusted by *******s

Straight people carry the same disease. Awful example. Much less they are consentually dealing with this risk and are capable of using condoms. Is someone immoral for rawdogging a woman now? Goodness dude.

Gays are untrustworthy, and will backstab you with no remose.

What statistics, facts, logic are you basing this off of? Sounds like some chit the bible would say.

They have often been molested, and will go on to moslest kids - look at the milo case

Cherry picking/appeal to dillemma/black-white. You assume gays must have been molested as opposed to more normal or natural causes.

Gays have had the option of civil union for decades now, giving them the same tax breaks and will options, but they wanted the word 'marriage' to fully destroy the 3rd pillar of the commuty - the Church, was already under attack from within by child molesters, women priests and a cuck pope

I have no idea wtf you are even trying to say here, srs. Maybe reword it for me
Not to mention, you completely failed to identify OP's discussion and came into bash gays based on your own biases. Stay out of political argument or go read up on fallacies and learn how to properly introduce a point (one that hopefully doesn't have narrow minded bigot written all over it)




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Originally Posted By miscbrah007⏩
What about a ******* who likes to fantasize being murdered and eaten finding a wierdo who wants to eat people. That's ok cause no else else is hurt, right?
not sure what you're trying to say.
Gays are groce,
this is subjective.
carrying and spreading desease.
this is not exclusive to homosexuals.
Avg gay partner countt in big cities is 800,
sauce?
It's nomal to be disgusted by *******s
this is subjective.
untrustworthy, and will backstab you with no remose.
what are you basing this on?
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Originally Posted By yorkchawp⏩
not sure what you're trying to say.


this is subjective.

this is not exclusive to homosexuals

sauce?

this is subjective.

what are you basing this on?
Lmao. Exactly.

Good cliffs of my more pretentious response srs.
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You have not proven in all of your non-sense how it affectsyouin any way shape or form.
It promotes degeneracy, cowardice and desease, how that that not affect everyone?


Non-sequitur. You are attempting to use a very extreme case to justify your point all whilst forgetting the victim has family who will be affected. Just.. no. Wow.

It's the same, there is no victim. I like the Wow part though, very dramatic.


Not to mention, you completely failed to identify OP's discussion and came into bash gays based on your own biases. Stay out of political argument or go read up on fallacies and learn how to properly introduce a point (one that hopefully doesn't have narrow minded bigot written all over it)

Not a political arument, as OP said. Just plain facts you are too stubborn to accept so you called me bigot whithout addressing (like all leftists do these days)

Fuk I'm prob being trolled LOL

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Originally Posted By miscbrah007⏩
Fuk I'm prob being trolled LOL

Fuk you lol


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Im fine with gay marriage. Don't see how it's the same as incest really.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
"Two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people."

1) Are you okay with two brothers getting married to each other?
2) What about an adult father and adult son?
3) What about a brother and sister, where the sister has hertubes tied so she can't have kidsand thus can't "hurt someone else" by giving them birth defects?

Just looking to see how people rationalize this! I'm not trying to get political. It's just an interesting discussion to me about, not legality, not politics.


Edit:i am stritctly interested in whether pro homosexuality people are pro or con incest, and the REASONS for it.I've seen many reasons lead to contradictions or strawman arguments, so I just want to get to the bottom of it.Whether its evolution, instinct, religion, some scientific data, whatever, I don't care. Just tell me the REASON.

I am not giving my own opinion so that I don't risk looking like I'm pushing some kind of agenda.
Incest themed porn is kinda kinky. I'm removed from the situation, so step-sister creampie videos have no personal relevance other than making me nut. I don't even have step-siblings.

Having said that, I hear a LOT of minorities regularly fuk their cousins on the DL, in contrast to the medias perception it's all just white hicks doing it. The big difference is the minorities do that sh!t DL, don't have kids out of it, and don't "fall in love" like the redneck incest trope always implies. (Derr, my cousin is my mama!)

If I started plowing some fine AF chick and later found out she was a 2nd cousin or some sh!t, I have no idea how I'd react. If she wasn't freaked out I likely wouldn't be either, and would keep smashing. Meh, fuk it. We're all just animals with converse shoes and smart phones.
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Oh look, the incest comparison to homos argument. No one has ever come up with that one before.

Next up, comparing ****philia and beaastiality
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Originally Posted By Maximus93⏩
Much in the same way I would view a university professor having sex with a student (even if the student is an adult). There is an obvious duty of care in place that the authoritative figure is in conflict with by engaging in a romantic relationship.
Come off it, there are some serious HBBs at universities. In that case the only duty of care the professor has is give her some serious deep dicking. That's just basic human attraction it's nothing like all the other disgusting examples of incest.
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
"Two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people."

1) Are you okay with two brothers getting married to each other?
2) What about an adult father and adult son?
3) What about a brother and sister, where the sister has hertubes tied so she can't have kidsand thus can't "hurt someone else" by giving them birth defects?

Just looking to see how people rationalize this! I'm not trying to get political. It's just an interesting discussion to me about, not legality, not politics.


Edit:i am stritctly interested in whether pro homosexuality people are pro or con incest, and the REASONS for it.I've seen many reasons lead to contradictions or strawman arguments, so I just want to get to the bottom of it.Whether its evolution, instinct, religion, some scientific data, whatever, I don't care. Just tell me the REASON.

I am not giving my own opinion so that I don't risk looking like I'm pushing some kind of agenda.
Two consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Incest, Gay, whatever. I don't give a fuk and I don't see anywhere in the Constitution where it allows the government to be the arbiter of what is morally correct. I also don't think that the government should be involved in marriage AT ALL.

Originally Posted By criminal_manne⏩
We can't legislate degeneracy so it shouldn't be illegal, but it should never be accepted or encouraged.
This. That is also how I feel about transvestites, my little pony people,furries and whatever other make believe weirdo BS people come up with.
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Originally Posted By Train57⏩
homosexuality is homosexuality and incest is incest what the logic behind homosexuality leading to incest?

If they are consenting and no kids were to be procreated then I dont care
the logic is that if two gay people can have sex... why can't they if they are brothers and still want to?
Originally Posted By MuckSnapper⏩
This.

Two gay people can't hurt chit. Incest can create a fukked up baby.

With that said - They can still get married just not reproduce. So that clears up your brother/brother thing. (which you mentioned the no birth thing so yea)

Immoral = encroach on others negatively. If you can prove that brother/brother does this then please do so.

Father/mom-son/daughter (prior to 18) no, because we have set the consenting age to 18 (depending on state). If that law is to prevent tobacco use, joining the military, etc.. then it falls under those lack of rights.
thanks for providing actual rationale, unlike other people ITT. even though other people ITT disagree with you, i still thank them for providing their own rationale as well
Originally Posted By MediocreGains⏩
Because it's not the same thing. We and practically every other animal species have a strong biological aversion to incest. There are many behaviors among animals that are in place to reduce the risk of incest, such as either the males or the females of a group being forced to look for other territories and join an outside group. In the case of humans, studies have shown that we are very unlikely to see the people we grew up with (usually family) in a sexual way. It's no accident that incest is one of the few things that are taboo across all human societies. It is more biology than social conditioning. To allow incest goes against every standard of nature. In few instances in history when incest was encouraged, such as among the royalty of ancient Egypt, the rulers were seen as gods and not men,and therefore above the laws of man and nature.

Homosexuality, on the other hand, is more like a "natural" deviation from the norm. In any large population, you're going to have people who are sterile, have disabilities, and so on. Homosexuality may be no different. Of course, certain cultures, such as the ancient Greeks or the misc, encourage *******ry, but cultures like that haven't been common.
your first paragraph was very insightful. thanks for the info.
although, after reading your second paragraph, can't one also argue that incest is like a "natural" deviation from the norm as well?
Originally Posted By Brosnbroc****⏩
You're OP is a strawman in itself, if you're saying "imagine a scenario where two adult brothers are in a relationship where abuse has never happened both phsyical or psychologically, now or anytime in the past, with 100% certainty."
Because that's your scenario, isn't it? And if it isn't, how does the quoted post not address the OP?
wait, are you implying that abuse ALWAYS happens in incestuous relationships?
I'm sure the answer is no. Therefore, would you be against said relationship where abuse does NOT happen?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, btw. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of your reasoning
Originally Posted By Maximus93⏩
I understood you were talking about adult relationships. I still view a parent-child amorous relationship as morally wrong given the potential for abuse. The child has seen the parent as an authority figure their entire life and I would consider that relationship to be abusive regardless of their ages. Much in the same way I would view a university professor having sex with a student (even if the student is an adult). There is an obvious duty of care in place that the authoritative figure is in conflict with by engaging in a romantic relationship.
ok cool, thanks for your rationale! i didn't think somebody would think a professor having sex with a student would be morally wrong until i read your post. i can see your point.
Originally Posted By freeburn⏩
Why would anyone be pro incest
see the rest of this thread. plenty of people don't mind it. and a few of them give a rationale for it as well.
Originally Posted By WildBill112⏩
Okay with all three of those. Morality is subjective. None of these implicate society any more than low IQ people breeding and producing low IQ kids who will do nothing but be a detriment to society. There is more of a utilitarian objective to people who aren't fit to reproduce reproducing than there is to two people who are the same sex loving each other.
thank you for your rationale. many people ITT don't provide theirs - regardless of where they stand on the issue
Originally Posted By nzgs⏩
You asked a political question. Marriage only has any weight due to its legal significance which is a matter ofpolitics. Marriage is essentially the government giving blessing to a relationship and enshrining it into a contract. If we remove the legal significance of marriage then it goes back to being a religious matter only. When we stop giving special privileges to married couples then the gays and other weirdos will stop asking for "equality".

In a libertarian world, incestuous people cannot get married, because christians will not marry them. This doesn't infringe on their rights, and it doesn't infringe on the rights of the christians.

I don't know why this is hard to understand.
maybe i should have kept marriage out of the title, and made it just about homosexuality and incest per se. screw marriage.
Originally Posted By midcoastking33⏩
dat false equivalency
please explain

do you think homos can get married? yes? well why not if they are brothers?
Originally Posted By miscbrah007⏩
Agree with OP, the whole 'it doesn't affect me' chit is nonsense because it does affect everyone.

What about a ******* who likes to fantasize being murdered and eaten finding a wierdo who wants to eat people. That's ok cause no else else is hurt, right?

Morally is emergent and exists in its basics in all human cultures. Let me spell out the gay chit for you:

Gays are groce, carrying and spreading desease. Avg gay partner countt in big cities is 800, no wonder they get aids. It's nomal to be disgusted by *******s
Gays are untrustworthy, and will backstab you with no remose.
They have often been molested, and will go on to moslest kids - look at the milo case
Gays have had the option of civil union for decades now, giving them the same tax breaks and will options, but they wanted the word 'marriage' to fully destroy the 3rd pillar of the commuty - the Church, was already under attack from within by child molesters, women priests and a cuck pope
Originally Posted By MuckSnapper⏩
Sure.





You have not proven in all of your non-sense how it affectsyouin any way shape or form.



Non-sequitur. You are attempting to use a very extreme case to justify your point all whilst forgetting the victim has family who will be affected. Just.. no. Wow.



Not to mention, you completely failed to identify OP's discussion and came into bash gays based on your own biases. Stay out of political argument or go read up on fallacies and learn how to properly introduce a point (one that hopefully doesn't have narrow minded bigot written all over it)




Fuk I'm prob being trolled LOL
thanks for your rationale, both of you
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Originally Posted By miscbrah007⏩
Agree with OP, the whole 'it doesn't affect me' chit is nonsense because it does affect everyone.

What about a ******* who likes to fantasize being murdered and eaten finding a wierdo who wants to eat people. That's ok cause no else else is hurt, right?

Morally is emergent and exists in its basics in all human cultures. Let me spell out the gay chit for you:

Gays are groce, carrying and spreading desease. Avg gay partner countt in big cities is 800, no wonder they get aids. It's nomal to be disgusted by *******s
Gays are untrustworthy, and will backstab you with no remose.
They have often been molested, and will go on to moslest kids - look at the milo case
Gays have had the option of civil union for decades now, giving them the same tax breaks and will options, but they wanted the word 'marriage' to fully destroy the 3rd pillar of the commuty - the Church, was already under attack from within by child molesters, women priests and a cuck pope
Aren't these the sort of people that always end up being caught sucking dik in some public restroom 10 years down the road?
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Originally Posted By Dreyth⏩
"Two consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people."

1) Are you okay with two brothers getting married to each other?
2) What about an adult father and adult son?
3) What about a brother and sister, where the sister has hertubes tied so she can't have kidsand thus can't "hurt someone else" by giving them birth defects?.
I would agrue that no of them are okay since normalizing incest is actually dangerous as opposed to homosexuality,
gays/lesbians on average make up 1% of the population so I don't think we run any risk of going extinct as a species due to no one breeding lol.
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First of all, homosexuality and incest are not the same thing. The people getting gay married are not related

Second, all 3 examples are all just incest, you you're acting like it's 3 different examples when it's really just one.

And lastly it's 2 consenting adults who aren't hurting anyone, so idgaf what they do
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