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post 1490661731 04-11-2017, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted By KingFedora⏩
This has nothing to do with the incident and won't hold in court. The doctor is shady no doubt. This just means he will be ready to sue the hell out of United Airlines because shady people tend to be all about that money. RIP UAL.
Seems like money wasn't his priority; maybe he will just take a BJ from the CEO of United Airlines as compensation.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
According to internet lawyers maybe, but not in the real world. They have the right to remove you from the flight anytime before takeoff for any reason. This dude isn't getting any money, he will be lucky if he doesn't get a charge. United doesn't give a **** about boycotts or their image, they are part of a government regulated monopoly.
Intradesting...the contract makes it seem like they were in the wrong though....


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Originally Posted By EatnCleans⏩
Intradesting...the contract makes it seem like they were in the wrong though....


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Originally Posted By Podunks⏩
The "fine print", aka, the Contract of Carriage:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con...age.aspx#sec25

Rule 25:

See the bolded.... The passenger was already on board, and seated.


Rule 21:


Which ties into Rule 21, which outlines the ONLY reasons a passenger may be removed from an aircraft. Feel free to point out what this fellow did, by calmly sitting in his assigned seat, to fall under Rule 21.







Even though I think the response seems like garbage, an apology could be taken as an admission of guilt. So it makes sense.
first rule states only about them reserving the right to refuse boarding and doesnt state anything about them not being able to kick you off, rule 21 has many clauses that they can fall back on, they can claim they asked for his id, which he refused, government regulations state that only a certain number of people are able to stay on an aircraft due to safety and weight concerns, they can claim they asked to search him on the plane, in which casae he refused and they had to physically remove him, all while him creating a disturbance on the plane which is 21 c, they can claim his documents were not in order G 1, lol if you think the doctor has any chance in taking on a large corporation which has the money to buy a law firm
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
http://bigthink.com/robby-berman/do-...rline-overbook
I like that link but it still doesn't make it clear...is says deny boarding.....he was already boarded.......

They should have randomly picked folks before anybody even stepped foot inside that plane, once everyone was boarded and United realized their mistake for their employees then they should have made other arrangements for the employees. Just my opinion, which means nothing


You can interpret that both ways, wouldn't you say Ronald?
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
According to internet lawyers maybe, but not in the real world. They have the right to remove you from the flight anytime before takeoff for any reason. This dude isn't getting any money, he will be lucky if he doesn't get a charge. United doesn't give a **** about boycotts or their image, they are part of a government regulated monopoly.
This... pull this **** @ El Al and get rapppppppeeed lol
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Originally Posted By cardioman_23⏩
first rule states only about them reserving the right to refuse boarding and doesnt state anything about them not being able to kick you off, rule 21 has many clauses that they can fall back on, they can claim they asked for his id, which he refused, government regulations state that only a certain number of people are able to stay on an aircraft due to safety and weight concerns, they can claim they asked to search him on the plane, in which casae he refused and they had to physically remove him, all while him creating a disturbance on the plane which is 21 c, they can claim his documents were not in order G 1, lol if you think the doctor has any chance in taking on a large corporation which has the money to buy a law firm
As with many laws/policies they can always be interpreted different ways to appease whoever has the deeper pockets, ayyyeeeee
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Copy pasta floating around regarding TOS:


1. First of all, it's airline spin to call this an overbooking. The statutory provision granting them the ability to deny boarding is about " OVERSALES", specifically defines as booking more reserved confirmed seats than there are available. This is not what happened. They did not overbook the flight; they had a fully booked flight, and not only did everyone already have a reserved confirmed seat, they were all sitting in them. The law allowing them to denying boarding in the event of an oversale does not apply.

2. Even if it did apply, the law is unambiguously clear that airlines have to give preference to everyone with reserved confirmed seats when choosing to involuntarily deny boarding. They have to always choose the solution that will affect the least amount of reserved confirmed seats. This rule is straightforward, and United makes very clear in their own contract of carriage that employees of their own or of other carriers may be denied boarding without compensation because they do not have reserved confirmed seats. On its face, it's clear that what they did was illegal-- they gave preference to their employees over people who had reserved confirmed seats, in violation of 14 CFR 250.2a.

3. Furthermore, even if you try and twist this into a legal application of 250.2a and say that United had the right to deny him boarding in the event of an overbooking; they did NOT have the right to kick him off the plane. Their contract of carriage highlights there is a complete difference in rights after you've boarded and sat on the plane, and Rule 21 goes over the specific scenarios where you could get kicked off. NONE of them apply here. He did absolutely nothing wrong and shouldn't have been targeted. He's going to leave with a hefty settlement after this fiasco.

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http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/kbml...ders/22439.pdf
http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Man...419150154.html

The guy was convicted of drug felonies, traded drugs for sex with a male patient, and lost his medical license due to lack of competency.

Not saying it affects the righteousness of United's actions, just a fun fact. I'm glad it was this kunt and not someone else
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Originally Posted By EatnCleans⏩
As with many laws/policies they can always be interpreted different ways to appease whoever has the deeper pockets, ayyyeeeee
yup, anybody who knows law knows it is not black and white and its how well the lawyer presents it and makes the law interpreted in his favor, lol if anyone thinks this doctor can afford better lawyers than the corporation
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I can predict the future

Lost $975,322,000 so far
I would buy for sure. They'll just adopt a Southwest type business model for a while and get back to where they were.
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Originally Posted By cardioman_23⏩
yup, anybody who knows law knows it is not black and white and its how well the lawyer presents it and makes the law interpreted in his favor, lol if anyone thinks this doctor can afford better lawyers than the corporation
Lol if you think the damage hasn't already been done and they'll do whatever they can to save face. It's not about being able to afford a more expensive lawyer in this case you retard lmao
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Originally Posted By Briisk⏩
Apparently this guy ran onto the plane a second time after being removed once. It doesn't matter what his profession is, this is a standard (crappy) airline policy of overlooking and then having to accommodate standby crew. It actually sucks he got selected at random, but he should have gotten off plain and simple. He chose to fly, he could have taken a car, bus or train. In fact this entire thing forced everyone else to be late.

It's a crap policy airlines do, but you gotta abide by the rules buddy, as a doctor he should know that.

Yes they should not have forcefully removed him like that, not sure who gave authority to them.
100% this. It's a chitty rule, but hey you know what? RULES ARE RULES. He could've made his objections known and sued if need be. He acted like a child in this situation. Heck, this is why idiots get shot by police for no reason. They don't do what they are told! Imagine all the stress he caused to other passengers, kids on the plane scared ****less. I don't condone what the security guards did, but this passenger acted like a complete idiot and was allegedly belligerent to staff. Totally avoidable situation.
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why is this such a big deal?

tired of idiots thinking they dont have to listen
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Originally Posted By Mirinmebrahs⏩
100% this. It's a chitty rule, but hey you know what? RULES ARE RULES. He could've made his objections known and sued if need be. He acted like a child in this situation. Heck, this is why idiots get shot by police for no reason. They don't do what they are told! Imagine all the stress he caused to other passengers, kids on the plane scared ****less. I don't condone what the security guards did, but this passenger acted like a complete idiot and was allegedly belligerent to staff. Totally avoidable situation.
If he didn't make a scene, then we wouldn't even be talking about it. He did the right thing and now he can turn that $800 voucher into a big check.
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absolutely disgusting.

not taking this airline anymore.
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Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
why is this such a big deal?

tired of idiots thinking they dont have to listen
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Originally Posted By Fsharpasharp⏩
Lol if you think the damage hasn't already been done and they'll do whatever they can to save face. It's not about being able to afford a more expensive lawyer in this case you retard lmao
this. this isnt about how much the chinese doc is going to get, its how much UA will be worth after all of this. UA stock dropped over 600 million in one day. if this thing keeps dragging on, their shares will drop even more. share holders are going to hold the CEO accountable for the PR disaster and want a fast settlement or risk even their stocks dropping even more.
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Originally Posted By Fsharpasharp⏩
Lol if you think the damage hasn't already been done and they'll do whatever they can to save face. It's not about being able to afford a more expensive lawyer in this case you retard lmao
nobody said anything about "damage not being done", its a huge media and pr failure and they will suffer for it, the doctor however is not going to get anything other than the beating he took and some attention, no money for him at all, possibly the 800 dollar voucher though
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Originally Posted By cardioman_23⏩
nobody said anything about "damage not being done", its a huge media and pr failure and they will suffer for it, the doctor however is not going to get anything other than the beating he took and some attention, no money for him at all, possibly the 800 dollar voucher though
Most likely scenario is they throw some money at him to make this go away quickly and quietly. They most definitely do not want a long drawn out civil suit, court appearances, and many upcoming news articles. They took a huge PR hit for this.


Its not about whether he can win the lawsuit or not. Most major companies will throw a few hundred thousand at someone just to wrap it up quickly. I'd be absolutely shocked if he doesn't get an offer for a few hundred thousand or hasn't already gotten a settlement offer.


Throwing 500k at this guy would still be cheaper then a civil suit even if they 'win'.


Originally Posted By HokieBrah⏩
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/kbml...ders/22439.pdf
http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Man...419150154.html

The guy was convicted of drug felonies, traded drugs for sex with a male patient, and lost his medical license due to lack of competency.

Not saying it affects the righteousness of United's actions, just a fun fact. I'm glad it was this kunt and not someone else
Andddd that's the problem with ruffling feathers. Skeletons in the closet come out.


Flying is a luxury. Airline's are a business. In America a business has the right to refuse service. This guy may get put on a no-fly list and not be able to fly anymore because of this little incident. Regardless of it what United did was right or wrong, pitching a fit and getting drug off the plane kicking and screaming is literally the worse thing you can do.
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Originally Posted By EatnCleans⏩
I like that link but it still doesn't make it clear...is says deny boarding.....he was already boarded.......

They should have randomly picked folks before anybody even stepped foot inside that plane, once everyone was boarded and United realized their mistake for their employees then they should have made other arrangements for the employees. Just my opinion, which means nothing


You can interpret that both ways, wouldn't you say Ronald?
Ok, removing customers who have already boarded (due to overbooking) is common practice on these airlines, has been for years. You mean to tell me that thousands of passengers who have been removed over the years have missed out on million dollar settlements/judgements? I am pretty sure that the airline has actual lawyers who look over their contracts before they use them. You think that this is the first passenger to be removed after boarding the plane?Show me a case where a passenger was successful at suing the airline for breach of contract after losing their seat due to overbooking.

Why would they throw money at the dude or concede? Then it opens the floodgates for idiots to refuse to exit the plane and sue every chance they get. Not happening. Government might step in and throw some federal charges at dude to reinforce the power of airline security.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Ok, removing customers who have already boarded (due to overbooking) is common practice on these airlines, has been for years. You mean to tell me that thousands of passengers who have been removed over the years have missed out on million dollar settlements/judgements? I am pretty sure that the airline has actual lawyers who look over their contracts before they use them. You think that this is the first passenger to be removed after boarding the plane?Show me a case where a passenger was successful at suing the airline for breach of contract after losing their seat due to overbooking.

Why would they throw money at the dude or concede? Then it opens the floodgates for idiots to refuse to exit the plane and sue every chance they get. Not happening. Government might step in and throw some federal charges at dude to reinforce the power of airline security.
Intradesting points Ronald

I agree with you, but it's not black/white IMO.

Seems like you never hear about folks being yanked off airplanes after already being seated though.
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Originally Posted By EatnCleans⏩
Intradesting points Ronald

I agree with you, but it's not black/white IMO.

Seems like you never hear about folks being yanked off airplanes after already being seated though.
I have seen it happen twice, EatnC. I don't agree with the policy, but it isn't like there are a ton of different options when it comes to air travel. Would you be ok with missing your flight because that dude refused to get up when asked to?
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their stock is still up from last month lol
Originally Posted By guest89⏩
getting drug off the planekicking and screamingis literally the worse thing you can do.
uwotm8?
Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Would you be ok with missing your flight because that dude refused to get up when asked to?
weren't the only people who would've missed the flight due to the guy not getting up United employees in this case? Is "the customer's always right" an appropriate adage for this scenario? But to answer your question, I'd be pissed, but I wouldn't blame some random customer who was properly booked for the flight.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
Salt of the earth he aint, but they didn't know that, so Pope or gang banger, irreverent to this event.
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Ok, removing customers who have already boarded (due to overbooking) is common practice on these airlines, has been for years. You mean to tell me that thousands of passengers who have been removed over the years have missed out on million dollar settlements/judgements? I am pretty sure that the airline has actual lawyers who look over their contracts before they use them. You think that this is the first passenger to be removed after boarding the plane?Show me a case where a passenger was successful at suing the airline for breach of contract after losing their seat due to overbooking.

Why would they throw money at the dude or concede? Then it opens the floodgates for idiots to refuse to exit the plane and sue every chance they get. Not happening. Government might step in and throw some federal charges at dude to reinforce the power of airline security.
i guess ussually few persons on the plane switch their seat volunteerly in exchange for the 800 dollar and night at a hotel.
thats different then using violence to get some one out of the plane.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
Salt of the earth he aint, but they didn't know that, so Pope or gang banger, irreverent to this event.
You're missing my point like the other guy above who quoted me. He was yelling he was a doctor and making out he was important. People used that to make the incident seem even worse. Yet they want to leave out the fact this so called doctor gave phoney prescriptions for sex acts. That's not a doctor.
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Originally Posted By pushlimits⏩
You're missing my point like the other guy above who quoted me. He was yelling he was a doctor and making out he was important. People used that to make the incident seem even worse. Yet they want to leave out the fact this so called doctor gave phoney prescriptions for sex acts. That's not a doctor.
the kicker is that he's not even a doctor if he lost his medical license.
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