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post 1490718441 04-11-2017, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
Speerman 124gr is good training round because I'm pretty sure it's a fairly "hot" round, not quite +p but close-ish. So if you carry 124gr +P Gold dots, it's a good comparable round to train with. That's what I was doing (I carry 124 +P gold dots), but I want to save $20-30 per case by going with the CCI Blazer 115gr because I been going through a case per month (roughly).

Also, IIRC; Angus Hobdell (CZ Custom) was telling me something like the bullet weight will make a difference in accuracy depending on your barrel. I might have made that up in my head though, but I know a lot of USPSA Production dudes reload their 9mm with 125 or 130ish grain projectiles.
It is probably close to +P. It is definitely warmer than most bulk type FMJ ammo, noticeably so. That helps with being similar/equal to defensive rounds for familiarity and for reliability probably too.

Might have to change those glock recoil springs every few thousand rounds though...hehe
post 1490719481 04-11-2017, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
It is probably close to +P. It is definitely warmer than most bulk type FMJ ammo, noticeably so. That helps with being similar/equal to defensive rounds for familiarity and for reliability probably too.

Might have to change those glock recoil springs every few thousand rounds though...hehe
Yeah it's probably not conducive to me competing, but I barely notice a difference in recoil between +P Gold Dots, Speer 124/115, CCI Blazer 115. It's so negligible that I think it might just be placebo, if I did a blind test I probably couldn't tell.

I still haven't got around to reloading, I really need to to save money, just haven't ponied up to buy the reloading equipment.

That being said, every week I see at least 2 or 3 shooters have malfunctions with their reloaded ammo. Nothing catastrophic, mostly just failure to feed/eject or dud rounds. They're probably just retards with reloading, but I can't remember the last time I had a non-user-error malfunction with either Speer or CCI Blazer (both are actually from CCI lol).

I've also seen some guys' custom loads that sound like mouse farts, so soft I question if they meet minimum power factor.
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post 1490720521 04-11-2017, 06:40 PM
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post 1490722171 04-11-2017, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
Yeah it's probably not conducive to me competing, but I barely notice a difference in recoil between +P Gold Dots, Speer 124/115, CCI Blazer 115. It's so negligible that I think it might just be placebo, if I did a blind test I probably couldn't tell.

I still haven't got around to reloading, I really need to to save money, just haven't ponied up to buy the reloading equipment.

That being said, every week I see at least 2 or 3 shooters have malfunctions with their reloaded ammo. Nothing catastrophic, mostly just failure to feed/eject or dud rounds. They're probably just retards with reloading, but I can't remember the last time I had a non-user-error malfunction with either Speer or CCI Blazer (both are actually from CCI lol).

I've also seen some guys' custom loads that sound like mouse farts, so soft I question if they meet minimum power factor.
This is what pretty much everybody reports, everywhere, and why basically all schools/courses/etc require factory ammunition. One of the best ways to have a gun malfunction is feed it reloads.

Of course, we all know that reloads in general fail at a disproportionately high rate when compared to factory ammo, but everybody who reloads is experienced andtheirreloads are as good as or better than factory lol


That laxammo website is a POS BTW it says it applied my fee ship code but continually charges shipping of $22 on checkout
post 1490723211 04-11-2017, 07:03 PM
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Lawman 147gr for $219.80/1k shipped

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/spee...620-p-930.aspx
post 1490725471 04-11-2017, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
This is what pretty much everybody reports, everywhere, and why basically all schools/courses/etc require factory ammunition. One of the best ways to have a gun malfunction is feed it reloads.

Of course, we all know that reloads in general fail at a disproportionately high rate when compared to factory ammo, but everybody who reloads is experienced andtheirreloads are as good as or better than factory lol


That laxammo website is a POS BTW it says it applied my fee ship code but continually charges shipping of $22 on checkout
Yeah but then you get guys who are GM/M USPSA that are loading their own and are operating tier 0. You just need to legitimately know what you're doing haha

laxammo gets me $10 shipping and only takes 2 days, but that's because I'm only like 6 hours away from them.
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post 1490726201 04-11-2017, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
Yeah but then you get guys who are GM/M USPSA that are loading their own and are operating tier 0. You just need to legitimately know what you're doing haha

laxammo gets me $10 shipping and only takes 2 days, but that's because I'm only like 6 hours away from them.
If you want soft shooting competition type ammo Atlanta Arms is where it's at. It'll never be as good as high end home reloads but it's good.
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
Yeah it's probably not conducive to me competing, but I barely notice a difference in recoil between +P Gold Dots, Speer 124/115, CCI Blazer 115. It's so negligible that I think it might just be placebo, if I did a blind test I probably couldn't tell.

I still haven't got around to reloading, I really need to to save money, just haven't ponied up to buy the reloading equipment.

That being said, every week I see at least 2 or 3 shooters have malfunctions with their reloaded ammo. Nothing catastrophic, mostly just failure to feed/eject or dud rounds. They're probably just retards with reloading, but I can't remember the last time I had a non-user-error malfunction with either Speer or CCI Blazer (both are actually from CCI lol).

I've also seen some guys' custom loads that sound like mouse farts, so soft I question if they meet minimum power factor.
How many rounds do you have on the CZ at this point?
post 1490726531 04-11-2017, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Lawman 147gr for $219.80/1k shipped

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/spee...620-p-930.aspx
180 more for 1k rounds of 124gr HST, interdasting. Way more then I'd ever need but can only imagine the warm fuzzy feeling every time you open the safe and see them stacked up

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...t1-p-3546.aspx
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post 1490726711 04-11-2017, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
180 more for 1k rounds of 124gr HST, interdasting. Way more then I'd ever need but can only imagine the farm fuzzy feeling every time you open the safe and see them stacked up

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...t1-p-3546.aspx
Only $160 more, what a steal!
post 1490726891 04-11-2017, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Only $160 more, what a steal!
Yeah but it's HST, they turn assailants into a pile of goo on impact
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post 1490727261 04-11-2017, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Yeah but it's HST, they turn assailants into a pile of goo on impact
I wasn't being sarcastic actually, $380/1k shipped HST is great.

I've never ordered a 1k round case of pistol JHP. I really should sometime...it's not really that much more than 1k round case of decent FMJ 5.56 for crying out loud
post 1490727471 04-11-2017, 07:41 PM
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post 1490728221 04-11-2017, 07:46 PM
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What bullet grain do you guys prefer for 9mm?
post 1490728711 04-11-2017, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted By SystemTrend⏩
What bullet grain do you guys prefer for 9mm?
Federal HST 124gr
Federal HST 147gr
Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P

Tighter Budget, Federal 9BPLE
post 1490730171 04-11-2017, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
If you want soft shooting competition type ammo Atlanta Arms is where it's at. It'll never be as good as high end home reloads but it's good.
I want 1000rds under $200 shipped and I want it to be reliable...

>less than .20/rd shipped
>reliable

Pick both. So nothing "Competitive" haha, but my ammo isn't the thing holding me back from being better
Originally Posted By OrificeSpunk⏩
How many rounds do you have on the CZ at this point?
Good question, I am curious to know myself...

I got the CZ back in Jan 2016. Since then I've averaged about 3 of the weekly steel matches each month. About 10 USPSA matches. I've done my personal training about 10 times since Jan 2016. I did a Frank Proctor class and also a Pat McNamara class.

Here's a good estimate:

Code:+--------------+-----+-----+-------+
| Match | Num | Rds | Total |
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| Weekly Steel | 45 | 200 | 9000 |
| USPSA | 10 | 250 | 2500 |
| Training | 10 | 400 | 4000 |
| Classes | 2 | 600 | 1200 |
| | | | 16700 |
+--------------+-----+-----+-------+So probably about 17k through it in 15 months. I've done 0 maintenance other than some light cleaning. To clean it I just field strip it then spray it out with brake cleaner lmao, trying to keep the front sight fiber optic away from the brake cleaner. I then relube with lucas gun oil.

I'm pretty sure there's a part or two I need to replace about now. I want to say the slide stop, and a trigger spring or something... I'll need to ask the CZ Custom dudes.

EDIT:

Reestimated with weekly steel being average of 200rds, and USPSA being average of 250.
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
Reestimated with weekly steel being average of 200rds, and USPSA being average of 250.
Master race strikes again. Careful though, you don't wanna shoot any +p or hotter because I heard CZ's are brittle pieces of shyt
post 1490732371 04-11-2017, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
Yes. What is on your mind, my son?
I was questioning if you're running Production, but saw that above.

What are most guys running? Am I hosing myself running 9mm?

I was just going to run my M&P PC...but discovered that the Apex kit isn't legal.

So I'm going to have to run something else. Just trying to decide what that is now
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post 1490732791 04-11-2017, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
So probably about 17k through it in 15 months.
geeez
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Originally Posted By OrificeSpunk⏩
Master race strikes again. Careful though, you don't wanna shoot any +p or hotter because I heard CZ's are brittle pieces of shyt
ayyyy lmao
Originally Posted By thefullmonte⏩
I was questioning if you're running Production, but saw that above.

What are most guys running? Am I hosing myself running 9mm?

I was just going to run my M&P PC...but discovered that the Apex kit isn't legal.

So I'm going to have to run something else. Just trying to decide what that is now
Basically everyone in Production is 9mm. A lot of guys, if they know what's good for 'em, use CZ.

You could probably just start off in Limited with your M&P. I bet the Apex trigger is legal for Limited. I'd just start off in there, just start off using what you got to see if you like it or not. Then if you do, you can try different divisions.

There are guys at my range that have $4k+ open guns, nice single stack guns, production guns, limited, revolvers, etc... probably like $20k+ in the handguns alone.
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
geeez
lol yeah I have $250 in my monthly budget allotted to ammo. God bless the Trumpenreich so that I can continue to shoot.

I feel like I still suck, but then I look back and see how much I've improved. I really need to start doing dry fire practice twice per week for 30 min each to step up my game... so a measly 1 hour/week why don't I just do it? LAZY, that's why.
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Originally Posted By Plateauplower⏩
You will save a ton and have fun doing it. I have a vibratory tumbler and it works good enough with lizard bedding (walnut hull media at a cheaper price). If your a real shiny case snob a lot of people have good luck using the harbor freight rotary tumbler and using stainless steel pins from Amazon and wet tumbling. I don't need my brass to look like new, and walnut media in a vibratory will do the job faster with fewer steps.

Use good loading data and working up loads and you will be impressed when you find the sweet spot for each gun. I buy finished brass (swaged) from tactical brass in FL. All Lake city and cheapest I have found for the quality. I'm lucky enough to have a nearby range where an old guy pics ups, sorts and tumbles the range brass and sells it cheap. I have also bought brass cheap on Etsy but you have to find the right deal. Good luck. Reloading is the only way to go IMO. Even 9mm is about 1/3 cheaper than the best deals you can find. Get into .45 and .44 and it really adds up.
yeah, LEE is made about 7 miles from where I live, and there is a shop there that sells em. I have been saving all my brass from the stuff I shot over the past year. have the dies for my 300blk, and a book with data and the hodgdon reloading website, along with a 300 blk reloading group. Once I get the tools to clean the brass I have, and pick up some primers I will be set. have probably watched 30 youtube vid's on reloading and will probably watch 30 more before I actually start... Pretty excited about it though, once I figure it out with the 300 blk I will get dies for my 9mm, 30-06, and 300 wsm.

will probably be nervous for first batch
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Originally Posted By thefullmonte⏩
I was questioning if you're running Production, but saw that above.

What are most guys running? Am I hosing myself running 9mm?

I was just going to run my M&P PC...but discovered that the Apex kit isn't legal.

So I'm going to have to run something else. Just trying to decide what that is now
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Oh yeah Farley1324,

A few weeks ago I met a GM Production shooter (and he was shooting CZ 75 SP01 master race), very nice cool guy. He was so nonchalant about his ammo, he just buys 100rd boxes of winchester white box or federal from walmart lmao. He was 10/10 operator skill though.
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Jesus, $1100 again:https://dsgarms.com/bcm-carbine-750-790-blk
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
Oh yeah Farley1324,

A few weeks ago I met a GM Production shooter (and he was shooting CZ 75 SP01 master race), very nice cool guy. He was so nonchalant about his ammo, he just buys 100rd boxes of winchester white box or federal from walmart lmao. He was 10/10 operator skill though.
I shoot a lot of white box lol. I also seem to get a lot of pmc bronze and blazer at the shop through zanders.
I think the pmc and blazer are a little cleaner than the white box but they all run solid.
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Jesus, $1100 again:https://dsgarms.com/bcm-carbine-750-790-blk
Sick gun, shows $1299 in my cart though. I'm sure it's discounted since everyone is throwing away their keymods for mlok special ops master race now.
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Originally Posted By hutch1999⏩
I shoot a lot of white box lol. I also seem to get a lot of pmc bronze and blazer at the shop through zanders.
I think the pmc and blazer are a little cleaner than the white box but they all run solid.



Sick gun, shows $1299 in my cart though. I'm sure it's discounted since everyone is throwing away their keymods for mlok special ops master race now.
Did you login? It will show how big your discount is if you're logged in (Subtotal-discount = price)
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What are you guys using for 5.56 defense rounds?
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Originally Posted By Millz⏩
Good question, I am curious to know myself...

I got the CZ back in Jan 2016. Since then I've averaged about 3 of the weekly steel matches each month. About 10 USPSA matches. I've done my personal training about 10 times since Jan 2016. I did a Frank Proctor class and also a Pat McNamara class.

Here's a good estimate:

Code:+--------------+-----+-----+-------+
| Match | Num | Rds | Total |
+--------------+-----+-----+-------+
| Weekly Steel | 45 | 200 | 9000 |
| USPSA | 10 | 250 | 2500 |
| Training | 10 | 400 | 4000 |
| Classes | 2 | 600 | 1200 |
| | | | 16700 |
+--------------+-----+-----+-------+So probably about 17k through it in 15 months. I've done 0 maintenance other than some light cleaning. To clean it I just field strip it then spray it out with brake cleaner lmao, trying to keep the front sight fiber optic away from the brake cleaner. I then relube with lucas gun oil.

I'm pretty sure there's a part or two I need to replace about now. I want to say the slide stop, and a trigger spring or something... I'll need to ask the CZ Custom dudes.

EDIT:

Reestimated with weekly steel being average of 200rds, and USPSA being average of 250.
At 17K the recoil spring is well overdue and you're DEFINITELY asking for trouble with the trigger return spring if you're still running the original. Most competition guys change recoil spring every 6k rounds or so, so you should literally be on like the third or fourth spring by now lol.
Edit: I assume all 17k of that is thru only about 3 or 4 mags too? If so, new mag springs probably wouldn't be a bad idea at this point either.
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  3. Join Date: Dec 2007
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Is it bad that literally every time I see the name "Ginsburg" on ******** that I'm just praying she's retiring?
I don't see how she makes it 4 years. She'd be almost 90 . . . and she doesn't look very good right now.
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