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Thread: Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby found not guilty of shooting unarmed man

post 1505202331 05-18-2017, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Am i wrong? Wanna know how to not get shot by cops?

A. Dont be a criminal

B. Obey their commands

Whoa shocker
Having a lb of weed should get you shot?

Being shocked that you're being treated like criminal scum because your car over heated on the side of road?
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Sh!tty situation all the way around but the verdict is the correct one.
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Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
Plus the video from the chopper looked like he was reaching into his vehicle.
Windows rolled up do not allow you to reach through them

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Originally Posted By SpaceC⏩
I can say that I am not a police investigator and am not privvy to all the facts of the case. I have no opinion on this matter.
no facts to be had bro. my favor always goes to the law but the fact of the matter is she acted out of fear and someone lost their life. some people are just not meant to be on the streets. she clearly is one of them
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pick a martyr that did not have pcp in his system.

lmao

26 shot and killed in chicago so far this month, no threads for them..maybe because it wasnt a white person who shot them??
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Originally Posted By Phobaphobia⏩
1) He's an idiot for not obeying orders.

2) She should have tased him when he walked towards his car. Not shoot.
This is easy to say, but if you have a suspect in front of you, with unknown intentions who is not obeying orders a cop will typically not have a taser drawn. It's easy to say "oh just taze him" but the facts are that any situation a police officer is in could turn out to be life and death. Countless routine traffic stops have ended with cops being shot and killed. They are trained to treat any suspect who is not obeying commands as hostile.

99% of people who just obey police orders will leave the incident just fine, maybe pissed off. If there was unfair treatment take it to authorities.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
This is easy to say, but if you have a suspect in front of you, with unknown intentions who is not obeying orders a cop will typically not have a taser drawn. It's easy to say "oh just taze him" but the facts are that any situation a police officer is in could turn out to be life and death. Countless routine traffic stops have ended with cops being shot and killed. They are trained to treat any suspect who is not obeying commands as hostile.

99% of people who just obey police orders will leave the incident just fine, maybe pissed off. If there was unfair treatment take it to authorities.
That's the problem right there. You and the officers have the same mentality.

Truly properly trained officers will know to asses each situation as unique and different......NOT to put a blanket over each situation as "this guy can kill me" or "other cops have been shot before doing this so I will shoot first"

Not everyone a cop pulls over is a criminal, not every person deserves the treatment cops give, not every cop is a bad cop........its the situation at hand.


From what I understand the car was on the side of the road due to malfunctions, why did she pull her gun on someone who was stuck on the side of the road?
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Originally Posted By JPF82⏩
That's the problem right there. You and the officers have the same mentality.

Truly properly trained officers will know to asses each situation as unique and different......NOT to put a blanket over each situation as "this guy can kill me" or "other cops have been shot before doing this so I will shoot first"

Not everyone a cop pulls over is a criminal, not every person deserves the treatment cops give, not every cop is a bad cop........its the situation at hand.


From what I understand the car was on the side of the road due to malfunctions, why did she pull her gun on someone who was stuck on the side of the road?
why? Cause she was scared. Exactly as I have stated above.

She did not set out to murder anyone. Fear took over and she "thought" she was fending for her life.

She should be pushing papers. Not out on patrol. Pure and Simple
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Am i wrong? Wanna know how to not get shot by cops?

A. Dont be a criminal

B. Obey their commands

Whoa shocker
Don't be a criminal. check.
Obey their commands. check.

still got shot.

okay, buddy. inb4 digging into his background and bring up something irrelevant from his past to justify getting shot.

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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩
why? Cause she was scared. Exactly as I have stated above.

She did not set out to murder anyone. Fear took over and she "thought" she was fending for her life.

She should be pushing papers. Not out on patrol. Pure and Simple
Being scared, nor improperly trained is no excuse to be able to kill someone and get away with it.

What should happen to her:
-Should never be able to be LEO again
-Never be issued a gun for work again
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Originally Posted By JPF82⏩
That's the problem right there. You and the officers have the same mentality.

Truly properly trained officers will know to asses each situation as unique and different......NOT to put a blanket over each situation as "this guy can kill me" or "other cops have been shot before doing this so I will shoot first"

Not everyone a cop pulls over is a criminal, not every person deserves the treatment cops give, not every cop is a bad cop........its the situation at hand.


From what I understand the car was on the side of the road due to malfunctions, why did she pull her gun on someone who was stuck on the side of the road?
Don't know the information to the question you asked, but there is a lot of information I don't know. My statement is off the video ITT alone, and the helicopter one I saw. From that (assuming the officer is giving commands to stop while he's walking) this situation was assessed properly. Suspect not complying with police orders, turning back to the cop and walking towards a vehicle window. EDIT: If the cop had her gun drawn on some guy sitting at the steering wheel with hands on the wheel my opinion would be drastically different.

I see your point, however I just disagree with it. If I'm a cop and I have a family to get home to, I am going to be weary of anyone I interact with. You never know what a stranger is capable. Hell I'm cautious as hell around people now who are even somewhat suspicious when I'm out, hence why I carry a concealed weapon.

Am I paranoid? Yeah maybe.....but I'd prefer that then let my guard down at the wrong time and my daughter lose her father.
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Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
So did the officer know the situation beforehand, or did the officer happen upon a random vehicle parked in the MIDDLE of the road, and some guy walking around on the road? It is easy to down play a situation when you are in a nonthreatening environment with all the facts. And who doesn't pull off to the berm when they breakdown?


Edit: Oh you are from Australia. In the US, we have a lot of guns.......
this whole time I actually thought you were from Australia and only after reading this did I look at your location.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Don't know the information to the question you asked, but there is a lot of information I don't know. My statement is off the video ITT alone, and the helicopter one I saw. From that (assuming the officer is giving commands to stop while he's walking) this situation was assessed properly. Suspect not complying with police orders, turning back to the cop and walking towards a vehicle window.

I see your point, however I just disagree with it. If I'm a cop and I have a family to get home to, I am going to be weary of anyone I interact with. You never know what a stranger is capable. Hell I'm cautious as hell around people now who are even somewhat suspicious when I'm out, hence why I carry a concealed weapon.

Am I paranoid? Yeah maybe.....but I'd prefer that then let my guard down at the wrong time and my daughter lose her father.
I agree with everything you said however, the difference between you and I is a pessimistic and optimistic approach to people. Maybe I am more offering to think not everyone has the potential or desire to hurt/harm me/my family.



It sucks this guy lost his life, it sucks he didn't listen to her commands if she gave commands (no audio).......better training needs to happen.....more people will be killed if not. This is just a fact, police officers are not trained well enough. Nor are they given routine PT tests, psych evals, etc etc.....

When they went from law enforcement, to crime prevention is when the training should have changed.....its dark ages. Pisses me off really......
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Originally Posted By xx45xx⏩
pick a martyr that did not have pcp in his system.

lmao

26 shot and killed in chicago so far this month, no threads for them..maybe because it wasnt a white person who shot them??
And if any if them were caught on video, they'd be convictrd 100%.

Holy fuk @ your low iq.
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Originally Posted By JPF82⏩
I agree with everything you said however, the difference between you and I is a pessimistic and optimistic approach to people. Maybe I am more offering to think not everyone has the potential or desire to hurt/harm me/my family.



It sucks this guy lost his life, it sucks he didn't listen to her commands if she gave commands (no audio).......better training needs to happen.....more people will be killed if not. This is just a fact, police officers are not trained well enough. Nor are they given routine PT tests, psych evals, etc etc.....

When they went from law enforcement, to crime prevention is when the training should have changed.....its dark ages. Pisses me off really......
I can agree with what you said for sure. I will admit that a lot of police departments have some pretty weak requirements for getting in, namely local small town PDS.

Audio on the ground is really the only thing that could clear up this situation. Since we don't have that both sides can only speculate about what really went on based on the camera footage.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Well that just makes you an expert than doesnt, i guess me n my 12 year police experience bows to your 2 hour firearms training
^^^^^
Every single one of these threads lmao.

You come in and tout your useless experience. Mall security doesn't count bud. In before pink ranger img
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Originally Posted By HayZues
And if any if them were caught on video, they'd be convictrd 100%.

Holy fuk @ your low iq.
Oh fuk lol its almost like if i had winning lotto numbers, i would win the lottery. In what world is a surveillance state the ideal situation? Maybe teaching the value of human lives, to people who shoot each other over shoes (white and black) is more valuable than HD cams on every street corner. Next time maybe you could refute the points of my argument with facts, not just call the other person 'low iq'.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
^^^^^
Every single one of these threads lmao.

You come in and tout your useless experience. Mall security doesn't count bud. In before pink ranger img
and what does U.S Ranger have to to with day to day street law enforcement?

Take your false bravado on some where.
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Originally Posted By xx45xx⏩
Oh fuk lol its almost like if i had winning lotto numbers, i would win the lottery. In what world is a surveillance state the ideal situation? Maybe teaching the value of human lives, to people who shoot each other over shoes (white and black) is more valuable than HD cams on every street corner. Next time maybe you could refute the points of my argument with facts, not just call the other person 'low iq'.
You can't figure out why its bigger news when people in positions of authority kill on camera and are acquitted, compared to gang violence between predicate felons??

That's evidence of low iq.
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LOL @ all the armchair cops in here.

You pull up on a shady dude that isn't obeying commands and pull a tazer. Then be on the news and get your 21 gun salute and city wide memorial bc the dude was on hard drugs and the tazer didn't do chit.

Times have changed. People do weird and crazy stuff on a daily basis, take crazy stuff (bath salts wtf?!), etc. There are certainly some bad shooting and cops that belong behind bars but many of you are making ignorant statements about life and death situations where you have to LITERALLY make a split second decision that may mean not going home to your spouse and kids that night.
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Originally Posted By HayZues
You can't figure out why its bigger news when people in positions of authority kill on camera and are acquitted, compared to gang violence between predicate felons??

That's evidence of low iq.
I posed a rhetorical question regarding the media's obsession over black men killed in chitty situations, and you actually thought i had no idea it was because of high T.V. ratings and a great excuse to bring up 'gun control law'? who is low IQ now lmao?
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Originally Posted By Kurial⏩
Why can't they just, you know, aim for a leg/arm to incapacitate instead of going for a killing blow?


you shoot in the leg or arm people are morons, there is no such thing as a non-lethal shot.....
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Originally Posted By xx45xx⏩
I posed a rhetorical question regarding the media's obsession over black men killed in chitty situations, and you actually thought i had no idea it was because of high T.V. ratings and a great excuse to bring up 'gun control law'? who is low IQ now lmao?
You made a ****ty go to comment by all blind sheep cop defenders. I refuted it. Now you're changing the goalposts.


Pcp and injectable anabolics are equally classified as controlled substances.. so i guess if you get shot in back with your hands up on side of road, we should find a better martyr.


Low iq confirmed.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
You're only supposed to shoot if you're 1000% positive that your life is in imminent danger, thus, never shoot to wound because the bad guy will kill you back.
you can't be 100% sure your life is in danger until it's 100% in danger...then it's too late.

Not defending the cop. Just saying.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Am i wrong? Wanna know how to not get shot by cops?

A. Dont be a criminal

B. Obey their commands

Whoa shocker
Yeah just let them violate your civil rights and do whatever they say.

A cop better have a damn valid reason to even speak to me.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
^^^^^
Every single one of these threads lmao.

You come in and tout your useless experience. Mall security doesn't count bud. In before pink ranger img
6 month ban bet on my experience buckaroo
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
6 month ban bet on my experience buckaroo
7 month ban bet on your neg.

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Originally Posted By HayZues
7 month ban bet on your neg.

People find me more attractive than you.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Yeah just let them violate your civil rights and do whatever they say.

A cop better have a damn valid reason to even speak to me.
This is the kind of attitude that results in these tragic stories. There are plenty of dickhead cops but arguing with them and being smug or disobeying them will work in your favor 0/1000 times. If a cop is being unprofessional, or somehow violating your rights, you get his badge number/name and get some legal counsel to see what the next steps are. In the meantime, just swallow some pride and obey the cop.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
This is the kind of attitude that results in these tragic stories. There are plenty of dickhead cops but arguing with them and being smug or disobeying them will work in your favor 0/1000 times. If a cop is being unprofessional, or somehow violating your rights, you get his badge number/name and get some legal counsel to see what the next steps are. In the meantime, just swallow some pride and obey the cop.
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